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bug report on wiki, about Chinese Characters
by Truth 17 Jul '06

17 Jul '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Truth <gubotruth(a)gmail.com> Date: Apr 20, 2006 1:12 AM Subject: bug report on wiki, about Chinese Characters To: opensuse-wiki(a)opensuse.org Related pages: http://en.opensuse.org/CN-* Those are pages containing Chinese Characters. It's actually some preliminary work for setting up a Chinese wiki, And unfortunately the bug makes that impossible so far. I'll use the page below to explain what the bug is like. http://en.opensuse.org/CN-Frequently_Asked_Questions It's Chinese translation for the English FAQ page. I finished the translation at 14:26, 12 February 2006, after a couple of times' edit. The page history is here: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=CN-Frequently_Asked_Questions&action… I was using the browser Opera, whose default encoding code is UTF-8, editing and posting. It seemed perfect when I just finished. And I did visit the page a week later, it was still fine(both in Opera/firefox). However, someday in March I went back again and found it all messed up. Some characters ( not all) can not ne recognized, and seems replaced by "�?�" or "�?".(in Opera/firefox/IE) According to the page history, nobody has touched it. The same issue happens to all Chinese pages on the wiki, such as. http://en.opensuse.org/CN-Communicate http://en.opensuse.org/CN-SDB:SDB .............. all full of "�?�"s. I'm not quite sure if the problem is related to encoding or fonts. As I saw similar messed-up Chinese pages on the wiki when I first came here, I suppose it an existing bug. Maybe it's related to storing chars? Quite STRANGE. Any insights? I'm willing to do anything like debug if needed. Best wishes.

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New Trasnlation
by Orn E. Hansen 29 Apr '06

29 Apr '06

I started and added a new translation, Icelandic (my native tongue), and finished the "minimum" translation of documents as is shown in the Translation Team page. There are a few words on the Wiki document, that I'm not quite satisfied with. Sentences like "Hvað tengist hingað" under Tools, and "Innhlaða". The first isn't wrong semantically, but appears to be contextually wrong, it appears to be an automatic translation. The link itself suggest "Collection of links that are on the page", but the translation says "What pages do link to this page". On the wiki it says "what links here". The second translation I see is "Innhlaða" ... it's a no no word. Like the word "háhraði", another no no translation I've come across recently. The first literally means "inloading". Second would be like saying "I was driving at 50 KiloGrams an hour". I'm having someone second read my translations.

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search box results
by jdd 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

I don't know if this is an opensuse problem of a mediawiki one - I know the search box is often questioned - I myself openned a bug on this recently before seeing that the problem is worst than I knowed problem is: when typing a word and hitting search, an exact word match in the title must be found to have a return (task don't gives the page "tasks") worst, only the first occurence is given ("bugs" gives only one page) compared to that the google search "site:opensuse.org bugs" gives all the answers, in all langages. so Google is far better than opensuse own search box. this is a problem in itself :-) and even more because it's not possible to insert a google search box in the wiki, so one need to type "site:opensuse" each time what is quite boring :-) is there a solution? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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Translation German
by Andreas 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hi everyone, following the links about localisation of opensuse.org, I wanted to add my name to the translation team page, found the page but have no clue where to add myself. However, I'd like to help translating OpenSUSE to German. Anyone know how, where, what, etc? Thanks Andreas

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merging lists
by jdd 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

could somebody add a link to the lists.suse.com on the lists.opensuse.org page? it should be a small step to the merging of the two communities :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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site map
by Lyle Greg Lisle 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

A site map would be real nice, but unless it could be generated automagically, it would take way too much time to keep up with changes. My guess is we need to work with the category structure. In particular, we need to make it hierarchical. Keep the number of top categories below 20. That would make finding things a lot easier. In addition, it would be nice if descriptions could be placed on the 'special' pages, including 'categories'. --- L Greg Lisle

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automatic login
by jdd 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

login on the wiki is still the primary brake against users. I don't really understand how it works. of course I must login once :-) after that I need to be active not to be unlogged. But the non-activity time is short. sometimes so short I haven't time to end the page I write. and the login question happen to make me lose a page after a quite long time (an hour or so, if I try to connect, I'm connected without passwd. How many times exactly? Would it be possible to use cookies to make this automatic along 2/3 days? to be practical, Mozilla gives me a passwd menu, so login is easy, but have no spellchecker (at least no installed) and konqueror have a spellchecker, but asks me to type the pass each time. if not too rough for secirity reason, automatic login should be quite a good thing. (it's the case on the french Alionet forum, I have never to type a passwd) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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Category page problem
by Lyle Greg Lisle 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Being a wiki newbie, I don't know the cause, but the category pages don't display properly on my browser. (Mozilla) The listing of sub-categories and articles in the category doesn't start until after the left hand menu box. This leaves LOTS of white space and the impression that there is so list. I've also checked IE and Opera, and they have issues as well. What browser is everyone else here using? Or maybe it's because I'm running under Win98. -- Lyle Greg Lisle

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Media Layout
by houghi 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

On http://en.opensuse.org/Media_layout there is some incosistand information, I think. e.g. the 10.0 version tells me that I can download a DVD5 src CD and also both an OSS and a non OSS version of e.g. x86 and x86_64. So where can I download the src DVD5? And what is the difference between the DVD5 x86 OSS and the DVD5 x86 non-OSS? Now it looks a bit confusing. And what was the X(no) picture again again? houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

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Errors in the wiki when language is portuguese
by Hugo Costelha 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hi, I have seen a couple of errors in the wiki when I am using portuguese as the display language. I am not talking about the portuguese translation, but the wiki itself. is it possible for me to correct those errors, or should I send them here? Hugo

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http://en.opensuse.org/Index.php/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories
by houghi 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

In the Realease Notes for 10.0 there is a link to http://en.opensuse.org/Index.php/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories How can this be corrected to point to http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories ? houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

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wiki graphic design project
by Rajko M 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

The front page redesign, or better to say design, should be one of tasks for the site design project. Why design, because now we have Download page as front page. Download link should be prominent, but not a portion of what is now. Report a Bug link should be present in all related sections, like Developer, User, Problems, but never on the front page. The graphic design can't be done without clear ideas what are top categories that we want to present to opensuse.org visitors. Here is illustration how simple can be the front page design: http://en.opensuse.org/List_of_Proposal_Pages/Graphic001 It was generated during experiments with GIMP. Background graphic is too dark, and jumps out of openSUSE graphic concept, but gives one idea what I mean under simplification. Next will be more in style with the rest of opensuse.org, and make use of image links introduced by Pflodo. Words Wiki, Users, Developers, openSUSE are used without much thoughts and can be accompanied with few more, or replaced with completely different set. The idea is to identify anonymous visitors of the front page and better adjust second level indexes to talk to specific audience. For instance, word "Problem?" can link to help, pages and unlike "Support" majority of visitors will understand what that means and can't be confused with paid support for retail versions. Word "Users" will talk about basics and projects that are related to use of openSUSE. -- Regards, Rajko.

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Japanese Wiki?
by noniko 19 Apr '06

19 Apr '06

Hello, congratulations for Czech, Italian , Swedish and Turkish Wiki. But why not yet Japanese Wiki? We have prepared all pages required. noniko, JA translatio team noniko(a)netbeans.jp

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Bug in Wiki for Pictures...
by Anniyka Wandersmann 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello there. I wanted to resize some Pictures to 22px but it didn't worked regardless what I was trying. So At least I looked at other Pages on the Wiki from Novell but all images where also the same size as in wiki-code: For example: You can see here at http://de.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Dokumentation&action=edit that there is the following code: [[Image:Novell.png|15px]] The produced HTML-code is this: <img src="http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/den/9/0f/Novell.png" alt="" width="15" height="17" ....> If you have a look at the properties of the picture, than you will find, that this is the adress and also it's size. OK, no see here: http://de.opensuse.org/Bild:Fragezeichen.png Look at the properties of the picture. Click on "Vorlage:F"... And you will see no picture. The Wiki-Code is: [[Bild:Fragezeichen.png|22px]] The HTML Code is: <img src="http://files.opensuse/de/thumb/4/4f/Fragezeichen.png/22px-Fragezeichen.png" .... Well you see, it is not what would be expected... The HTML-code is the same with "Image" instead of "Bild" As far as I could see, there was another request on this list for broken PNGs in the galery ... Greetings, anniyka -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEQmqj0UZdMosWNssRArKJAKDa2Fd1CnqWge5NNfDgXKQVjo1B+QCfYasf sYCTtlFZr8xN5xasKNVVGBg= =sFvq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Yast namespace
by jdd 15 Apr '06

15 Apr '06

Installing and testing the new 10.1, I notice once again that Yast is powerfull but not as well documented as it should (not documented at all in some parts). What do you think of creating a new "Yast" namespace in the wiki (pages beginning with [[Yast:...]] with the following content: *a screen copy of the ncurse screen and one of the graphic screen * a short definition of each and any option (for example using the ;name: tags) * a head with the scope of the screen * a tail with an en-deep explanation or better links to such explanation. Of course I don't mind to make this for all the Yast screen, only the most obscure ones jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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home page relooking
by jdd 13 Apr '06

13 Apr '06

It should be time to speak about this anew, for all the ones not directly involved to 10.1 it would be nice if the new layout could be on line at the same time as 10.1, if ever possible at all. I see for now two important things: *we need a single home page to be set in the advertisements/signatures... I couldn't find the project already shown here (wikipedia like), but I liked it much may be a contest could be done (win a tee shirt :-) to find the best artwork (I'm sure not to win this :-) *we need a much simpler left column sidebar. Home (always on top, this one :-) Use SUSE Linux Download Documentation (including SDB, FAQ) Participate Community (including how to participate, communicate, projects, team, tasks) Report a bug About openSUSE News (including roadmap & events) Project overview Contacts Legal on the center panel, download be "Download the installable demo dvd" and should send directly to the stable release dvd mirror. In fact my choice should be a single _cd_ demo (SLICK?). A demo needs to be fast... bug report should be avoided. SUSE have NO bug isn't it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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Communicate
by Henne Vogelsang 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

Hi, i just put my reworked communicate page[1] live. The old one[2] was a mess. Can the language maintainers please update the communicate pages in their wiki? And please keep it language clean. There is no use of a turkish forum mentioned on a spanish communicate page.... Henne [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate-old -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire)

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Interwiki link errors in en.opensuse.org
by Marco Stella 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

I noticed that interwiki link to Italian wiki have been added on the left sidebar in the home page. But this one and the others are pointing to xx.openuse.org/.... The 's' is missing. Could you correct the mistake, please? Thanks, Marco Stella

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http://en.opensuse.org/Events dates
by houghi 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

The http://en.opensuse.org/Events can be confusing. Especially for people not from the EU. Is it not better to write out the month (at least in 3 letters) making it one of the following: 2006 Apr 10 10 Apr 2006 2006 10 Apr Apr 10, 2006 Or even make a chapter 2006 and just do Apr 10 or 10 Apr or the write it in full April 10th Yes, I understand the used dates are correct to international standard, yet people can and will become confused. If I see a date that says 4-12, I think December. When I see 2006-09-05 I think May. Am I wrong in that? Yes. The page is I hope not about right or wrong, but about getting people to those events, even if they see it wrong. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

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wikibots (or alike)
by jdd 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

I was said on IRC than wikibots are prone to spam I don't really understand why -do the actual Novell login prevent this?- but anyway we need badly an interwiki link automatic process. I understood there are local scripts? but I understand also there will be a relooking, is this related (or is this relooking already in use and I didn't notice? could this be announced on this list? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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SDB and wiki
by jdd 11 Apr '06

11 Apr '06

hello :-) do we need to keep a compatibility between the SDB and the wiki (that is are the wiki pages imported back in a database?) because if not, a part of the sdb template can be simplified (name of author, not very meaningfull on a wiki, keywords replaced by categories...) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

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howto/sdb
by Martin Lasarsch 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Hi I still have this on my todo list ... I post it here to hear your opinions, and because we have only the SDB namespace atm. Did i miss something? To be honest i thought it would be much more, but i don't know what else to write :-) --- Howto/SDB/FAQ? There is some confusion about the definition of howtos, SDB articles and FAQs. This page tries to explain the main differences between the different styles to write documentation. Why a different namespace for them Working with namespaces makes searching much easier and you can see on the first look what it is. The different types howto From the wikipedia definition "A how-to is an informal, often short, description of how to accomplish some specific task. They are generally meant to help non-experts, and may leave out details that are only important to experts, and may be greatly simplified from an overall discussion of the topic." This describes perfectly an SDB article :-) Anyhow, most howtos are much more for experts and often more verbose. An example for an howto is SDB:Wireless_LANs_with_SuSE_Linux. So howtos in the openSUSE wiki are more verbose than SDB articles. If you just want to write a short article consider to put it into the SDB. Howtos have a separate namespace, so all Howtos should start with howto: SDB article SDB (Support Database) was a SUSE invention. The goal is to provide a short and easy to read article for the customer/user how to fix a problem. The focus was to make it easy and to use graphical tools where possible. A SDB article should be always problem related. Because there was only the SDB before the openSUSE wiki, you will find also some articles which are from the definition a howto. Check the SDB:Howto for more information about SDB articles. SDB have a separate namespace, so all SDB articles should start with SDB:. FAQ A FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) follow a different style. Example: Q: Is it possible to install SUSE Linux on a computer with a i486 CPU? A: No, SUSE Linux support CPUs from Pentium 1 (and compatible ones) on. FAQs are a good way to summarise topics. It could make sense even if a howto or SDB article already exist. Some howtos include a FAQ, usually at the end of the howto. FAQs have a separate namespace, so all FAQs should start with FAQ:. -- with kind regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems +49 911 74053 181 +49 179 206 74 74 SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- simply change to www.suse.de

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