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> From: Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net>
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> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 03:05:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: x86-64-v2
> Stefan Brüns composed on 2022-10-09 20:14 (UTC+0200):
>
> > Most Core2Duos will not have an SSD, nor 8 GByte or even 4 GByte of memory.
>
> People with more than 8G RAM are jaded. 4-8G is all an average mortal user needs,
> depending on whether he even knows that multitasking means. Those who have never
> been exposed to the benefits of SSDs are in a state of ignorant bliss, and haven't
> had to RMA 20% of their SSD acquisitions within two years of placed in service.
>
> I have 14 Core2Duos, 4 with SSDs, variously with 2G (4), 4G (8) or 8G (2) RAM. All
> are adequate for their designated tasks. Given their tasks all require little time
> powered, there's zero possibility of recovering cost of replacement of any of
> them. I also have around 6 variously named 65nm 2 thread "Pentiums" also still
> suited to task. That's 20 64bit Intel with 2 or more threads and 65nm or less
> lithography, plus 2 AMDs of similar capability, age and lith all being prematurely
> disabled from openSUSE for political and/or marketing reasons, leaving me with 5
> operational @v2 or more, of which one is not yet 6 years old and yet only v2, plus
> a late K8 v2 with 16G RAM, SSD, 1 year old PSU, but motherboard that will no
> longer POST.
>
> What it all means is more uptime in other distros, less uptime in openSUSE, less
> experience to share in openSUSE forums, fewer used computers with non-zero
> marketplace value (aka pricier used computers, and used computers trickier to shop
> for), and fewer new openSUSE users via recommendations or personal installations,
> all for *non-quantified* overall performance benefit and me-too what RHEL did.
> --
> Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
> based on faith, not based on science.
>
> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
>
> Felix Miata
>
et al:
I add my "vote" in support of Felix M's argument(s) . . . I have one
(1) Core2Duo machine from '09 that I upgraded to 8 GB RAM and
installed an SSD drive (over two years ago) . . . on which I have Leap
15.5 installed. I continue to be impressed with how great that
machine actually is . . . and sorry to hear that the "v2" decision
will go forward . . . because it is still "viable" as an internet
troller, etc. Because as Felix details, one of the main reasons for
users moving to linux is to keep older hardware, still perfectly
functional but deemed "unsupported" . . . going.
I did the check on my '12 MacPro for v2 qualification and it "passed"
. . . that machine is still running TW . . . but TW seems to be
playing havoc with my other installs . . . might help to make the
decision if and when it drops off with "v3"??? I like the speed of
TW, but these days it should be called "openSUSE SID" . . . to provide
a more accurate description of its "character."
I'm coming from back in the PPC days of linux, in which support was
dropped from within the community . . . still have my '04 iBook G4
sitting in the laptop stack . . . it would run, but nothing supports
it any more . . . a stunning loss to the IT community . . . .
F