September 2009 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] RFC: spliting opensuse-factory
by Stephan Kulow 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Hi, During the conference and also before in communication to developers I very often heard the argument that they don't read opensuse-factory because it's so high traffic. Many postings I see actually belong to opensuse-testing or even directly into bugzilla, but many have no better home atm. So I see the need for 3 communication channels, that can be the same: - A list for development, where upcoming changes are discussed, where developers can either announce changes or where we discuss who helps with what features. - A list where to announce issues every factory user might hit. This affects broken repositories, broken kernel updates, broken grub. This does _not_ affect broken KDE, broken GNOME, broken applications - those have a better place in opensuse-kde, opensuse-gnome, opensuse-testing - A list where users can discuss (with developers) on how features are implemented, provide their feedback, etc. All those 3 are currently opensuse-factory and from what I see many developers ignore it because mainly the last point increases the volume of this list. (450 posts in june, 506 in july, 861 in august, 1001 last november :) So while this is not a desaster volume, I think we should still discuss if there are better ways to setup our communication. I see three options: 1. make opensuse-factory moderated for a while and make people that abuse opensuse-factory not to subscribe to -kde, -gnome or -testing - or even worse report bugs. 2. split out opensuse-devel where posts without problem analysis are clearly offtopic. 3. split out opensuse-factory-users where there is no limit (basically a suboption of 1) My preference would be 2, it would create the least problems and my hope would be that this list is low traffic enough to auto subscribe everyone doing submitrequests to factory :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] k9copy in 11.2
by Basil Chupin 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

Does anyone know what has happened to k9copy in 11.2 (MS7)/KDE4.3.x? Is it just missing or has it been renamed to some obscure name, or simply not ported yet to 11.2/KDE4.3.x (similar to kaffeine which is only a skeleton of the KDE3 version)? BC -- Never run yourself down - let other people do it instead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] packman & VLC repos for openSUSE factory
by phanisvara das 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

a few days ago i found packman and VLC repos for openSUSE 11.2 which have been missing until now. i thought i'd find this announced somewhere, but either it wasn't or i missed it. here are the URLs: packman: http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/factory/ VLC: http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/11.2/ don't know about all packman mirrors, but skynet's got it too. mp3 works fine now on xine w/o using fluendo & gstreamer, which i find rather buggy. didn't try VLC yet, but the app. starts, which it didn't when i last compiled it from source. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] IPv6 resolver problems in openSUSE 11.2 milestone 7
by Ralf Krüdewagen 22 Sep '09

22 Sep '09

Hi there, I know that resolving IPv6 addresses is an ongoing problem in Linux, but disabling IPv6 helped in the past. BUT: Even after totally disabling IPv6 I have big problems with zypper and/or aria2c, when I try to install or update packages. It takes ages, because the resolver still tries to resolve AAAA addresses resulting in some 5 sec timeouts. Related issues: a) IPv6 is compiled statically into the kernel. Why not as module like in the past ? b) Therefore, disabling IPv6 using yast2 does not work. c) Disabling IPv6 in /etc/sysctl.conf by "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" does also not work. d) Disabling IPv6 with "ipv6.disable=1" as boot parameter does work. But again, even though IPv6 seems to be disabled using method d) the resolver within the Yast Software Manager still tries AAAA lookups. All other clients (Firefox, KDE browser konqueror, Opera, wget, etc.) do not have these lookup problems after disabling IPv6. How can I fix that ? Thanks in advance Ralf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] How to let gstreamer-engine show in Amarok2?
by Oddball 20 Sep '09

20 Sep '09

Hi, Has anybody figuered out how to let Amarok2 show more engines than only xine? (which ofcourse does not work for the sh***y reason we all know) an engine would be selectable, if it only would show up in the list below/above xine.... vlc plays, but it is much work to build a playlist, or add a song to the list. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.31-8-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-SFN1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 (x86_64) KDE: 4.3.1 (KDE 4.3.1) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] When to close bugs
by Ted Bullock 20 Sep '09

20 Sep '09

So I have a question about at what point bugs should be closed. For instance, a little while ago, I noticed that the google talk network isn't listed in the current version of empathy in factory. The bug I filed about it (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=539508) was closed pretty quickly with a note that the fix is in G:F (Gnome:Factory). Ok cool I think to myself and I go on with my life. Now, its been a couple days, (not many days, just a couple) and the version of empathy in G:F with the google talk fix has not made its way to factory yet (which is fine btw, I just am making my way to a point). And to be honest, in the between time I had completely forgotten about the bug until a few minutes ago, I opened empathy and tried to send a message to my mom and of course, I can't do it with empathy because it doesn't work with google talk at the moment. The thought that comes to mind is, why is the bug closed when the actual distributed version of the software currently available is still broken? This kinda feels like, "The cheque is in the mail". In the great big grand scheme of things, this empathy issue is trivial and I am sure that one day soon I will run zypper dup and the problem will be gone; And, this is not the point. The point is that we might be losing sight of issues because the reported problems are closed before the actual fixes are available. While presumably most people are following up with bugs that they filed, I wonder if some problems are squeaking through because people moved on with their lives after their bugs were closed and visibility was lost on problems before being confirmed by the reporter. Of course I have absolutely no numbers to bring to the table here, but I would like to know what other people have experienced in this realm. Is the fact that bugs are closed before the fix is released leading to actual issues in the end product and if so shall we crack the whip on this behavior? As a side note, I have not subscribed to G:F because I am not terribly interested in testing whatever strange voodoo goes on in G:F but rather just vanilla factory which I feel is plenty dicey enough, so lets not criticize my point on this topic. -- Ted Bullock <tbullock(a)comlore.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Unconference session report: 11.2 and Maintenance
by Dirk Müller 20 Sep '09

20 Sep '09

Unconference Session: openSUSE 11.2 and Maintenance Introduction: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-08/msg00372.html and following messages in this thread Discussion - NEED: - Be able to submit updates with only osc (or an additional osc plugin) - Externally visible status page of pending and released updates - Community group which handle updates for openSUSE - Security Updates must be ensured - Technical discussion: * patchinfo handling: updates currently need - summary, swampid, description, bugzilla list, package list, distribution - submitrequest extension: * open fate request which has currently no ressources for implementation vote here: https://features.opensuse.org/307621 - alternative: submit patchinfo by adding it to a pseudo package that is part of the distribution, and that can be submitrequested against 11.2 update AI rudi: develop meta package AI: Magnus Boman: test + help * handling of CRD'ed updates - lots of discussion about internal instances, or manual osc diffs - Marcus says that handling of CRD'ed updates is not important, we can wait until CRD is expired for opensuse. -> simplifies things. AI: Move Update:Test to the external buildservice * devel projects for openSUSE:11.2: * not needed for maintained products * but we need bugowner / maintainer list -> we use maintainer list from the package in Factory -> in case package is dropped, we copy the bugowner to 11.2 -> if the bugowner is unreachable, coolo is the owner * fallback bugowner is initialized in openSUSE:11.2 - Non-technical discussion: * Workflow for Updates: - Requesting an update: NEEDINFO opensuse-maint(a)opensuse.org in bugzilla - Handled by team of 3 community members and 2 Novell employees - Novell employees will hand out SWAMPIDs upon internal consultation with the team - the team has to come up with a maintenance policy AI: henne: create opensuse-maint team alias, subscribe volunteers Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Zypper attempts to install something from old dvd.
by Carlos E. R. 19 Sep '09

19 Sep '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I installed 11.1 M6 from the DVD. Last weekend, I updated to M7. Today I updated again: first "up", then "dup". Dup does this: Tirith_NOT_nimrodel:~ # time nice zypper dup --auto-agree-with-licenses Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Computing distribution upgrade... The following package is going to be downgraded: libatasmart0 1 package to downgrade. Overall download size: 31.0 KiB. No additional space will be used or freed after the operation. Continue? [y/n/?] (y): Retrieving package libatasmart0-0.13-2.6.i586 (1/1), 31.0 KiB (70.0 KiB unpacked) Failed to mount cd:/// on : Mounting media failed Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i Warning: You have chosen to ignore a problem with download or installation of a package which might lead to broken dependencies of other packages. It is recommended to run 'zypper verify' after the operation has finished. real 1m0.439s user 0m18.757s sys 0m1.700s Tirith_NOT_nimrodel:~ # Tirith_NOT_nimrodel:~ # time nice zypper verify Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Dependencies of all installed packages are satisfied. real 0m6.348s user 0m4.136s sys 0m0.688s Tirith_NOT_nimrodel:~ # Tirith_NOT_nimrodel:~ # rpm -q libatasmart0 libatasmart0-0.13-2.8.i586 I don't understand. Update or downgrade from the dvd? What for? It is "old". - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkq03b4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WWtQCfXHcA5ix6F52nScaa1isK/2I9 bdwAn1XwgViXcunbkh5FB374wDRh4IAC =VkK5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Is this zypper behaviour normal?
by Carlos E. R. 19 Sep '09

19 Sep '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, After I do a "zypper up", I attempt "zypper dup", which does nothing. It has happened twice. Is this normal? I think not, but... :-? - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkq03J8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X1qACcDrV+uorChQO+R6hdJvpIf77I hBkAniz9yGWVGrTqkjispsPKTYFBmGx9 =HSuW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] M7 updating overwrites grub
by Marco Calistri 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Hello list, Latest M7 update resolves to overwrite previous grub informations and rebooting the system end up to grub window showing only "floppy" as available boot media. Cheers! -- Marco Calistri <amdturion> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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