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Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1
by Quentin Jackson 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

>>> Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> 12/04/08 8:30 PM >>> Am Donnerstag 04 Dezember 2008 schrieb Quentin Jackson: > I don't have an Intel GFX card but yes if that is happening it is a big > mistake. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone responsible for > fixing this 'big picture' stuff, or maybe they're only interested in > SLED. Even though OpenSuSE keeps making big strides with many things > many of these 'Mistakes' are letting the distribution down making it not > worth even considering for some people. Imagine if you had only ever > tried 11.1, you would go off and tell your friends it didn't even > support an intel 965 chip. > Hi Quentin, You must have different kind of friends than I have. If I tell mine that the 3d performance for an intel 3 numbers chip is not as good as before, they would most likely say "hmm? intel what?" Seriously: as you seem to know the details of clever business, perhaps you can help out here. We have two options at the moment: 1. skip 11.1 release and publish 11.2 in about 8 months hoping that Intel got their drivers ready to support all their chips correctly. 2. release 11.1 and basically document that all intel 3 number chips (for certain 3 numbers only of course) have to skip 11.1 and wait for 11.2 in about half a year. What's the choice you prefer? You seem to advocate option 1. Greetings, Stephan P.S. And if you think my mail is unfriendly, read yours again. I did not mean to be rude or unfriendly and I realise it may have been a bad example. And yes I have many tech friends, and tech friends are who the non-techs ask for advice. I also did say there are good things about opensuse, please understand I only want to make things better, we are on the same team here and this subject is something I care a lot about and so do many others. I am not interested in ranting about this, I only want to fix the issue but to me it seems as though either no-one is listening or I do not know how to raise this as an issue properly or perhaps where to raise it. Perhaps even there is no-where to raise it? All I want and I'm sure everyone will agree is a nice stable OS. As far as your options above are concerned I would choose neither, I think 6 months is too quick because we don't seem to be able to get a reliable distro out of 6 months, but as I said that is my opinion. So at the end of the day I don't know if anything can be done, I've made suggestions before, perhaps to the wrong places but I've not had any action positive or negative, not even a no we can't do that from an authority figure who could approve such a change. When it comes to these high level decisions (which I know should only be made when very neccessary) I don't seem to be able to find anyone to talk to. I personally think making a stable OS is neccessary. I guess the first issue is to get an agreeance on if there is an issue, without that it is pointless. What I have noticed is that when the distro get's delayed a lot of people speak up and say, "That's great, more time before release means more bug fixes" showing that a lot of other people care about this topic too. For 11.1 though we let the distro stay in beta longer and reduced the RC time to compensate, to me that means more bugs will get in and less will get out, if we allow beta's to continue for a longer period of time, it shouldn't be at the expense of the RC's where we really throw polish in, (again in my opinion). So I guess the question there was which is more important, the release schedule or the quality of the release? It seems to me that the release schedule is getting more attention than the latter. So, does the community get to vote on how this schedule should be? Who makes the decision of the 6 months release schedule? If we are stuck with 6 months how could we do it better? Can we have clearer guidelines to show what 'shipstoppers' should be? Can we broaden the scope of a shipstopper? Honestly, if I'm the only one that thinks that this is an issue I'm happy to never bring it up again, but I'd bet I'm not. We could always stick a voting panel up on the opensuse main page to find out. And one last thing, if I offended anyone in the last email, please accept my apology. Q -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Plasma cashew
by Salvatore brigaglia 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Why there's no plasma "thing" (it has been named in various way) in the top right corner of the 4.1.2 kde desktop on B4? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] rc2
by Peter Czanik 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Hello, Just tested the RC2 DVD (I work for a Novell partner) on a Core2Duo machine. I guess, I should have tested it earlier and not concentrate strictly on PPC... - installation from images (which is the default setting) has serious troubles: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456337 For the rest I don't have now time to bugzilla, maybe in the evening... - nvidia binary drivers installed, 3D works fine, but Compiz can't be enabled on KDE4 (Desktop settings says, that Composite and Damage extensions are missing, which is true, as Composite is disabled in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by sax2) - the machine reboots while coming back from hibernation (Intel G965 chipset, nVidia binary driver was not yet enabled, when tested). This led to a broken file system and a broken KDE4 desktop (only the START menu stayed in place, the rest moved or disappeared) - I installed to an extended partition (/dev/sda5). The default boot manager configuration is broken, as grub is only installed to an extended partition. This results in an unbootable system. It works fine when MBR is also used. Bye, CzP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] kdm background image
by Marc Ensenbach 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Hello, I just installed RC1, and one annoying thing occurred to me: On the kdm login screen the "Session Type" and "Menu" menus are nearly invisible (thin white characters on a light green background). Do others also see this problem, or might it be caused by a miscalibrated monitor? Regards, Marc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KDM and fingerprint reader
by Xavier Callejas 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Hi, Anyone knows if there are plans for this? rgds. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Problem with kupdateapplet in RC1 (plus issues with YaST + kdesu)
by Henning Schnoor 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Hi Stanislav Visnovsky, (sorry for the double post, the first one only went to Stanislav's private address.) >> 1. Upgrades are not shown, even if YaST displays them. (...) >> 2. When installing patches (these are shown correctly), the first >> authorization dialog fails: ... > I think this is fixed now. Are you referring to the second problem, or to both? >> 3. Even when updating starts (...) after the >> first try, the same patches still showed as available. > Please, test with RC2 and if it still does not work, please, report a bug. I will - does this mean that an RC2 is planned before the release on Dec 18? >> 4. The progress dialog does not report which patch is applied, > Yes, I see this too, but I'm not sure if it is an applet problem, or > packagekit API itself. I think you are right. When I installed patches with zypper instead, things looked better. Is there a reason why packagekit is the standard backend and not zypper? See you, Henning -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] My observations about openSUSE 11.1 RC1
by Xavier Callejas 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

Hi, I have: > uptime 10:35am up 11:44, 1 user, load average: 0,23, 0,37, 0,42 running openSUSE 11.1 RC-1 live-CD :) , I activated some repositories from YaST and installed some packages so I can work normally in live CD, and I must say that I'm impressed (and all is running from my RAM, even I'm using NetBeans 6.5 right now, wow!), I can't wait to install the final release into my hard drive. But, there are some little things that I would really like in the final release to be fixed: - hide/unhide icons in the system tray (actually there is a dialog for hidding, but you cannot unhide them with the little arrow). - volumen keys don't work - crtl+alt+k don't change the keyboard layout - miss the very functional popup menu in dolphing and konqueror to create or add to a compressed file (zip, tar, tar.gz, etc). from a folder or files, I use this menu every day in KDE3. - kdebluetooth4 don't start Rgds. -- Xavier Callejas Open your mind, use Open Source. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] RC1
by Fred A. Miller 04 Dec '08

04 Dec '08

I just updated beta 5 via zypper. All seems to have gone well, but I noticed there's STILL a "show stopper" for a LOT of users with Intel video. Performance is the pits.....pure and simple. OpenGL screen savers don't run properly....often with a small widow of the same image super imposed on the full image, and they can still lock up the 'puter. Because of this, I don't dare install RC1 on a desktop with a nVidia video card for fear of what will happen. There are driver and/or "X" problems that must get fixed before release. wmv format movie clips "stutter".......not smooth due to poor performance. Fred -- "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson, 1802 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Desktop Effects turning off after restart of X
by Kevin Dupuy 03 Dec '08

03 Dec '08

11.1 RC1, GNOME, compiz-0.7.8-6.4 Compiz turns itself off after restarting the X server will not stay on, requiring me to go into the Desktop Effects control center module to turn it on (that window also shows it as turned off) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456275 -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy - openSUSE Member Public Mail: <kevin.dupuy(a)opensuse.org> Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays from the Yeaux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] plans for kernel 2.6.28
by z 03 Dec '08

03 Dec '08

i there any plans for using kernel 2.6.28 in upcoming 11.1 release? kernel is now in rc-4 state. is my assumption right, that if kernel will release 2.6.28 final before 11.1 release, it will be used? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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