November 2008 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-factory] Compiz openSUSE 11.0 Beta 5 anyone working with Nvidia driver?
by David C. Rankin 22 Nov '08

22 Nov '08

Ben Kevan wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2008 11:33:15 pm you wrote: >> Ben Kevan wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> >>> I just wanted to see if the problem was with compiz, or with my nvidia >>> driver ( i haven't yet tried the nv driver) have gotten compiz from the >>> oss repository working on their box.. None of my compiz decorations >>> start, and none of the compiz features actually work. >>> >>> I just want to see if it's a bigger problem then I expected. >>> >>> Ben >> Ben, >> >> Sorry, I lied! Emerald does NOT work at all either in KDE4 or KDE3. We are >> right back to where we were with the first 0.7.8 update in the X11:/XGL and >> X11:/Compiz that killed emerald. >> >> I loaded my emerald themes in ~/.emerald and after I did that, when I >> execute emerald --replace, You could see the theme and decorations flash on >> the window borders for a split second and then all decorations disappeared. >> The only way to revive them was with a kwin --replace, but in KDE -- all >> terminal input is killed when the decor crashes, so I had to make a menu >> entry of a small bash script to get me out. Bummer. >> >> Same happens in KDE4 except I still have terminal input after the decor >> crash. Why is this causing us so much trouble? > > Emerald will NOT work.. Compiz with the patch for nomad basically kills > emerald (and there are no upstream maintainers to fix emerald). > > The best choice may be to remove it from openSUSE 11.1 (sadly). > > My issue is I don't get ANY windows decorations (trying to just use kwin). > Again, this is only with the Compiz version with the nomad patch. > > Ben > > I guess somebody somewhere must like nomad. However from the very prominent 'absence' (or loud silence) of anyone on either the factory or opensuse lists that have anything, 'I mean anything' to say about nomad, it really makes you wonder why we are suddenly abandoning a very well liked and very elegant, working decoration package for something that, from what I can tell, nobody asked for and for something that isn't even working yet? You would think that with the amount of traffic on both lists and with the number of wide and varied members that participate in list discussions, you would have heard something -- anything, about some type of benefit that nomad will provide so that all of the current users and supporters would understand why it was a good idea to scrap a working application that was so well liked by its users. Some rime or some reason to justify all the effort and expenditure of valuable resources in that pursuit. I don't know, maybe I missed it... Sort of reminds me of another desktop issue. Ironic isn't it? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 www.rankinlawfirm.com | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] updating from beta's to RC, etc
by Quentin Jackson 22 Nov '08

22 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 17:13 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: > Richard Allen escribió: > > Hi > > > > I have a question that seems to get mixed answers. > > > > On news.opensuse.org it has been stated by people that we can update from the beta to the release candidate to then the final release without having to download and do a fresh install. > > > yes using zypper dup > > > However on the Opensuse Forum, the moderators speak against it saying that we should do a clean install because config files from the beta could be left behind. > > config files may be different, or maybe not ;) if you have modified the > configuration files they shouldn't be replaced. > So clarifying, I guess this means that unless you specifically edited text files, or maybe used YaST to edit any settings (highly likely) then the files that were changed probably won't be replaced. A scenario I wasn't entirely aware of. The only way you know for sure is to do a complete fresh rebuild. If you keep your home directory alive though it will remember your wireless network settings, wallpaper etc, though I don't know what implications that has. Q -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] mirror or redirector issue?
by Quentin Jackson 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 11:26 -0500, Putrycz, Erik wrote: > I'm currently trying to upgrade factory and I get plenty of "...rpm not > found on medium 'http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/'". > However, if I retry few times then it works. > Is this somekind of mirror or redirector issue? > > Erik. > I've been getting this too. Thought it was some kind of round robin thing but apparently not. > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Compiz openSUSE 11.0 Beta 5 anyone working with Nvidia driver?
by Quentin Jackson 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 08:01 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2008 10:12:44 pm you wrote: > > I know this doesn't help your question directly, but I've never been > > able to get compiz working properly since SLED 10. I'm wondering if > > other people have found it easy or hard? > > > > Q > > Please try to post underneath your replies. It makes threading a whole lot > easier. Whoops, someone else pointed that out, it's a new habit which goes against my corporate teachings whereby they encourage you not to do that! Why can't everything be simple. :) Q > > Up until 11.1 Beta's everything has been working just fine with Compiz. The > only thing that has changed (as far as I know) is the addition of the nomad > patch for xrdp. > > Since then my GLX options won't stick, emerald is gone (this isn't really an > issue, just a statement) and it just doesn't work (because of the GLX not > working). > > Ben > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Compiz openSUSE 11.0 Beta 5 anyone working with Nvidia driver?
by Quentin Jackson 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Interesting, OK will do, I think there's a bit more power or maybe just features due to the time it's been around in Compiz. I'm loving how fast KDE4 is getting with it's standard 3d effects in 11.1 though, not quite to KDE 3.x standards but it's getting there finally. I definately made the right decision to dump ATI too. :) Thanks for the tip. Q On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 01:53 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > Quentin Jackson wrote: > > I know this doesn't help your question directly, but I've never been > > able to get compiz working properly since SLED 10. I'm wondering if > > other people have found it easy or hard? > > > > Q > > > > Q, > > Other than a few version upgrade hiccups, it works flawlessly in 10.3 and > 11.0. The jury is still out on how it will behave in 11.1. In 11.1 Beta5 it > still has a few issues to resolve. On 10.3 or 11.0 just pull the 0.7.8 compiz > packages from BuildService X11:/XGL repository > > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 > 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ > www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] OO templates broken on factory...
by Oddball 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Ophalen: OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.22.noarch.rpm [99% (58,0 K/s)Ophalen: OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.22.noarch.rpm [99% (63,6 K/s)Ophalen: OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.22.noarch.rpm [99% (84,8 K/s)Ophalen: OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.22.noarch.rpm [fout (22,6 K/s)] Download (curl) fout voor 'ftp://134.76.12.5/%2Fpub/opensuse/factory/repo/oss/suse/noarch/OpenOffice_org-templates-presentation-layouts-3.0-1.22.noarch.rpm': Foutcode: Unrecognized error Foutboodschap: FTP response reading failed I tried this twice, and it stops at the same place.. (ophalen = fetching) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.5-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 Beta 5.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 2.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] mirror or redirector issue?
by Putrycz, Erik 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

I'm currently trying to upgrade factory and I get plenty of "...rpm not found on medium 'http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/'". However, if I retry few times then it works. Is this somekind of mirror or redirector issue? Erik. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Compiz openSUSE 11.0 Beta 5 anyone working with Nvidia driver?
by Quentin Jackson 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

I know this doesn't help your question directly, but I've never been able to get compiz working properly since SLED 10. I'm wondering if other people have found it easy or hard? Q On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 21:46 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: > Hey folks, > > I just wanted to see if the problem was with compiz, or with my nvidia driver > ( i haven't yet tried the nv driver) have gotten compiz from the oss > repository working on their box.. None of my compiz decorations start, and > none of the compiz features actually work. > > I just want to see if it's a bigger problem then I expected. > > Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Life with OpenSUSE Factory?
by Dominique Leuenberger 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:31 -0600, John Lange wrote: > Ok, I'm still a bit confused. Sorry for the newbish questions but this > is my first time trying to contribute to testing on Factory so I'm still > getting my bearings. No problem... everybody starts contributing at one point... for you, the time has come now too. > > I'm unsure what the implications of the RCs are to the factory? Now that > I'm pointing at the factory repos, is issuing a "zypper dup" or "zypper > up" sufficient to keep me on the latest packages? Well, the BETAs and RCs are snapshots of a defined status, which once passes through Factory. At this late stage (RC due very soon), Factory is not getting so many upgrades. > > More importantly; is this the best way to contribute to testing in the > community? I'm a big believer in SUSE so I want to test and help crush > as many bugs as possible so please let me know if this is not the best > way. Getting bugreports is 2nd best option to contribute.. best is patches :) You have to be aware that at this very late stage, the devs won't be able to kill every single bug that might come up. They are not prioritized. So a small one might still stay in the system at the end (can't be avoided... otherwise we'll get openSUSE 11.1 with the current package selection in 10 years). So starting early off with reporting is a good thing and raises chances of a good fix. Also getting in touch with some upstream projects can help a bug get fixed; if upstream has a patch for it, it's very likely to get it it's very likely to have it included also now. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Life with OpenSUSE Factory?
by Dominique Leuenberger 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:06 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2008 23:14:28 John Lange wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 21:51 +0100, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote: > > > No, use zypper dup. The steps above will be unable to deal with splitted > > > packages and other tricks that change during distribution upgrade. > > > > Ok, I did that today and everything seemed to work smoothly. > > > > One final question; what is the proper way to keep it up-to-date from now > > on? > > > > # zypper up > > zypper up does the same thing as YaST2 Online Update. > > So, you should use zypper dup This is no longer true for openSUSE 11.1! zypper up does the same as zypper up -t package did in previous versions. So 'normally' a zypper up is sufficient. (there is not a big difference, as long as the 'product' stays the same. I for myself issue a zypper dup once in a while.. sometimes some old 'garbage' is being removed this way. But this is unlikely to happen at this time, as we're closing up to RCs... so probably not to many packages will be dropped anymore. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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