June 2015 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name the baby
by victorhck 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi all!! Well maybe mi proposal comes a bit later... My name proposal is Calumma that is a genus of chameleons [1] and about number, why not the last two digits of the year? adding a .X with the updates... In that way would be easy to know what year was launched the version... So in that way it will goes like: openSUSE Calumma 15 my 2 cents... 've phun!! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumma - -- - ------------------- GPG Key: 0xC9B7E22A Aprende a proteger la privacidad de tu correo: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/es/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVkx5QAAoJEMx0Lo3Jt+IqdBgP/0zhi77P6szE6ZduLRWMkPNS QCO8xXNjSFlSHfJj5eUMfxoV3AQfzhQcrQ7DC59LvaZZPKj3gJ89JZTUgQzXUmFK /H2RToTx2BVC31LBIm1DGHVaCKDUzXJr5FVPpFqDK3PqTPokyBY8xGJxc4UB1PdY LefJEW+XaMQ2WvSwmp/mCsDq7wPEp+y83vEDUMVtx7oas9/IQ2xdhZYlOcopIqud kY2jaBfEkPSFAomhRtdXBLm0rld/ntKuhmywWzXkNLYklIEEwwzrUbhvzw5YNHxL vUSBwKJVTll5X4786YRnhbcax9gEQO0H8Dod3HVQVJfP4zscoDZRB3eW40/YRnSO +7a/tbKRabbfz5kZeigkvcc/ORjFHnlpVZv93Nh0kwsgO/EmdTBwDNE91M8n1G2D haCnUc8lz5UdHXdzEVMUJI9JPzMN9kHQ5o94az50U+rRGxqiZpQDjMGpK2YX1mhH kv79bfGXLUxZHA2FG6pmdB1wMd4FV51od+SpE4KDgk3KnBmxqWn8vYJwnWrdEgdv pqJ2oslEdiwy3GiKeJY/a+yWAro8ljQw/lfLrR12nwfmhpnzpu5I3u3kpz0atOM7 mgq23VVAvpdrA5lrhro3vs/QsW5yt1181PJAJaiOnaLfnUr/kvqowXer1+cm/IDD AZ2sUMffCk09qZrySJ2/ =Zo+e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] 42 dashboard online
by Steven Hess 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

There are lots of applications that at least require 32 bit libs. As long as openSUSE doesn't lose those libs it will be OK. Otherwise it will bleed users. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Steven Hess <flamebait(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There are lots of applications that at least require 32 bit libs. > As long as openSUSE doesn't lose those libs it will be OK. > Otherwise it will bleed users. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Cristian Rodríguez > <crrodriguez(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> >> wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA256 >> > >> > On 2015-06-30 09:24, Stephan Kulow wrote: >> > >> >> For SP1 we set those to ExludeArch: %ix86 and I think this is what >> >> we need to do in 42 too. >> > >> > There are many people still using 32 bit machines and servers. I have >> > one. Also, on virtual machines it is useful to use 32 bit for somewhat >> > smaller footprint. >> > >> > Please don't drop the 32 bit support. >> >> who will take care of that ? where will you get the resources needed >> to support it ? See ..wishing something to remain available be does >> not make so..there are plenty of 32 bit distributions available >> including but not limited to older and still supported openSUSE >> releases, just let this 32 bit x86 thing die before it gets even more >> rotten.. >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org >> > > > > -- > ____________ > Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. > Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 > Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND > openSUSE Linux 13.1 KDE > Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. -- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND openSUSE Linux 13.1 KDE Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Freeradius and Samba
by Marc Rödinger 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

Problem latest Factory Build 6/14 2015 I tried an implementation of Samba with Windows AD and Freeradius. First of all. Samba should be upgraded to 4.2.3 on July 8 (Release Date). 4.2.2 has some nasty bugs, which seems to be fixed in the upcoming release. For Freeradius: Freeradius needs OpenSSL, which seems to be the latest version on the ISO (Thank you). But the corresponding libssl package is not up to date. It should be the same version as OpenSSL. Freeradius has a bug (again), which doesn't allow the daemon to start, if the libssl version is not exactly the same as the version, which was build against. I had to force downgrade to an older version. So Freeradius should be build against the newest libssl version which corresponds to the newest openSSL package. Marc Rödinger Die ABS - IT bietet nun auch die Unterstützung für Unternehmen bei der Schulung, Herstellerzertifizierung und Prüfungsvorbereitung Ihrer Fachinformatiker - AZUBIS zu sehr attraktiven Preisen an! Nähere Informationen erhalten Sie bei unseren Ausbildungsberatern. Rufen Sie an! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] What if openSUSE:42 would been made 19.11.2013?
by Daniel Noga 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

I can't imagine how idea of openSUSE 42 can be succesfull, I think it cannot be done with so tighly coupled systems like linux distributions were. Maybe I have only small imagination. So I would like to create here hypothetical distribution based on openSUSE 42 idea. I am Daniel, real power user in september 2014. I have two computers, desktop with older AMD graphics at home and Ivy Bridge laptop for work. At work, I am PHP and Groovy programmer and I am using PHP 5.4 similar to production Debian Wheezy, Java 7, Couchbase and MySQL. I need test web applications on Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox. Sometimes I need GIMP. I am using git and svn. At home, I am watching Youtube, movies and I play linux games like Europa Universalis, DEFCON, Left 4 Dead. Sometimes I need connect my Android phone to a computer for file transfer. I have not liked SLED 11 SP 3 at that time, because Steam and Chrome needs newer glibc, I need newer PHP, openSUSE's kernel supports DPM for opensource AMD graphics and openSUSE has newer Mesa which fixes issues with WebGL on Firefox with my IvyBridge. Only limitation on openSUSE for me was non functional Couchbase, which I must put with Ubuntu on virtualization. I use openSUSE because it has long enough support and even though I don't like old version PHP 5.4 shipped with distribution, it is enough for my work. Now. How would look like openSUSE 42? What are base packages from SLED and what are desktop packages from tumbleweed? Package / openSUSE 13.1 / SLED 11 SP 3 / openSUSE 42 kernel / 3.11 / 3.0 (with lots of patches like Haswell support backported) / ? Mesa / 9.2.2 / 9.0.3 / ? glibc / 2.18 / 2.11 / ? xserver / 1.14 / 1.6 / ? qt / 4.8 / 4.6 / ? gtk / 3.10 / 2.18 / ? gnome / 3.10 / 2.28 / ? kde / 4.11 / 4.3 / ? bluez / 5 / 5(?) / 5 php / 5.4 / 5.3 / ? java / 7 / 7 / 7 vaapi / 1.2 / none(?) / ? vdpau / 0.6 / 0.4 only for NVidia / ? libreoffice / 4.1 / constantly updated / ? mtp / 1.1.6 / 0.3 / ? Chromium / constantly updated / not working / ? Firefox / constantly updated / constantly updated / constantly updated Chromium needs glibc >= 2.14, Steam >= 2.15 Gnome 3.10 needs xserver >= 1.14 for pointer barriers, gtk = 3.10, bluez = 5 KDE 4.11 needs qt = 4.8, bluez = 4 (bluez 5 had on release openSUSE 13.1 broken bluetooth) I cannot find r600 and radeonsi drivers packages on SLED, which are often better than closed source one. Media players can optionaly use vdpau or vaapi How can be this distribution packaged for programmer and home user like me? On Ubuntu LTS I have answer. It is only two years between 12.04 and 14.04, between SLED 11 and SLED 12 it is five and half years. And every point release on Ubuntu has optional newer kernel, mesa and xserver. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] dropping of pm-utils + suspend
by Stanislav Brabec 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

After getting many bug reports on a strange suspend or hibernate behavior, and two years after last discussion on dropping pm-utils[1], I think that there is a time to make a step further, and drop pm-utils for real. What changed over in last two years: - many bugs were fixed - really needed quirks were ported to systemd - SUSE Linux Enterprise was released without pm-utils and suspend packages - Fedora has no pm-utils as well How suspend/hibernate works in openSUSE now: - systemd gets a request to hibernate. - systemd executes its quirks. - if pm-utils are not present, systemd asks kernel for hibernation. - if pm-utils are present but suspend is not present, hibernate. continues with pm-utils quirks, then pm-hibernate asks kernel for hibernation. - if pm-utils and suspend are present, hibernate continues with pm-utils quirks, but skips video quirks, then pm-hibernate converts list of skipped video quirks to command line arguments of s2disk, and then it calls s2disk. s2disk calls selected video quirks and does hibernation on its own. - If you call pm-hibernate or s2disk, things are going differently and some quirks can be skipped. Your machine may start or stop hibernate. As you see, it's a nightmare to debug stuff like that. My proposal: - drop both pm-utils and suspend. See the discussion in BugZilla[2]. - Remove support for pm-utils from systemd. See the discussion in BugZilla[3]. - Create sysconfig for hwclock. - If it will be needed, create systemd-video-quirks-legacy. How suspend/hibernate will work then: - systemd gets a request to hibernate - systemd executes its quirks - systemd asks kernel for hibernation What will we lose: - pm-utils quirks. Nobody knows, what is still needed. Quirks were added to work-around kernel bugs, kernel was fixes, quirks left intact. Most quirks are > 5 years old, there are no quirks for new hardware. See a long discussion about these quirks in the BugZilla[2] - Serial execution of quirks. Not a big problem, as (even the old) pm-utils quirks are independent on on other. - s2disk multithread compression and hibernation to file until kernel gets these features. But it seems, that there are many machines, where s2disk breaks the suspend completely. Which are the risks: - That some pm-utils video quirks are still needed. But it is not a reason to re-introduce pm-utils. We can easily port pm-utils video quirk wrapper to systemd, and create a systemd-video-quirks-legacy package for them. - That some kernel drivers still need reload. Fill a bug against kernel instead of adding them to SUSPEND_MODULES in /etc/pm/config.d. - That network software will not re-initiate connection. Fill a bug against your network management software. Proposed change in systemd.spec for Factory [4]: +Obsoletes: pm-utils <= 1.4.1 +Obsoletes: suspend <= 1.0 -# PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE forward to pm-utils -- until boo#904828 is addressed -Patch25: Forward-suspend-hibernate-calls-to-pm-utils.patch -%patch25 -p1 References: [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-11/msg00911.html [2] bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925873 [3] bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904828 [4] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:sbrabec:branches:systemd-drop-… -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.com Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +49 911 7405384547 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 084 001 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ PGP: 830B 40D5 9E05 35D8 5E27 6FA3 717C 209F A04F CD76 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] New packages: OpenCL stack
by Dmitry Roshchin 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

Currently we have basic OpenCL stack in science project. More and more applications have OpenCL, so it would be great to have OpenCL support in openSUSE. Current packages: beignet ocl-icd opencl-headers opencl-headers-1_2 pocl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] TW: Boot Freezes : " Switched to clocksource tsc " and " Random: nonblocking pool is initialized"
by gar.eggys 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

Hello List , TW : have had a ton of trouble with Boot hangup : Boot Freezes " Switched to clocksource tsc " and " Random: nonblocking pool is initialized" .............. - googling was unable to find solution & kept getting dumped-out at : dracut # konsole ................. Forced to re-install ............. regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: EID
by Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink 27 Jun '15

27 Jun '15

Ha Maurice, Zullen we proberen de boel in de forums te houden? Ik weet nu al niet meer welke info waar staat. :D. Groet, Gertjan Op vrijdag 26 juni 2015 17:06:52 schreef Maurice Vansteelandt: > Het staat niet in de paketten bij softwarebeheer, ik heb geprobeerd in > de terminal= niks; > Heb geprobeerd te installeren via éénmuisklik maar dat mislukte ook. > > In bijlage nog enkele schermafdrukken. > > Mvg., > Mauk. > > Op 26-06-15 om 16:16 schreef Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink: > > Dag Maurice, > > > > Ik heb al wat gezien: je moet het pakket met de naam eid-mw-libs-32bit > > > > installeren. Dat kan via softwarebeheer (zoeken op eid-mw), pakket > > aanvinken (groen vinkje). Accepteren, of in een terminalvenster (konsole) > > > > sudo zypper in eid-mw-libs-32bit > > > > Ook in een terminal kun je met de kaartlezer aangesloten dit commando > > uitvoeren: > > > > pcsc_scan > > > > Dat commando geeft dan "output". Die kun je met de muis selecteren, > > met Ctrl-Shift-C kopiëren en in de forums posten. Het liefst tussen > > CODE blokken ( het # in de opmaakbalk) dan blijft het wat leesbaarder. > > We kunnen dan zien of de kaart het überhaupt doet. > > > > Een lastige voor mij blijft overigens dat ik hier in Nederland zit. > > Sommige delen van de EID sites zijn voor ons niet eens toegankelijk. > > > > Goed weekend, > > > > > > Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht > > > > Official openSUSE Member > > > > openSUSE Forums Team -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht Official openSUSE Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed - Review of the week 2015/26
by Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar 26 Jun '15

26 Jun '15

Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers, This week was a turbulent week, despite there not being a snapshot released. As you know we switched the default compiler to be GCC 5.1 last week, which needed a rebuild of the entire distribution. This in itself is already a lengthy task and once completed, the potential Tumbleweed snapshot was handed over to openQA - which was less than impressive: basically every 64bit setup had issues. Together with the GCC maintainer this has been analyzed and an issue in one of the headers (ffi.h) was identified, resulting in broken binaries (despite the packages building just fine). A fix was quickly prepared, but resulted again in the need to fully rebuild the distribution (to be sure that there are no inconsistencies). As I type these words, openSUSE:Factory is 'almost' completely rebuilt, then new DVDs and Live Images will be created and, again, handed over to openQA. In the hope that we managed to fix the actual underlying issues of last week, openQA is supposedly agreeing with us and giving a much greener result screen If you're interested, you can of course always have a look at openQA's status at https://openqa.opensuse.org/group_overview/1 (for Tumbleweed) 0612 is the last one we released, so that is about the target on how openQA should be giving the result in the tests. The next one to be tested will be called 0624 (which is when the fixed packages were checked in) So, other than that, I can't give much more news for this week: GCC 5 proved itself again to be a major change taking a good amount of time. But thanks to openQA, none of those broken snapshots have been released to the mirrors. You can still help with 'less important' packages failing since the GCC 5 switch. An overview of all currently failing packages can be found at https://goo.gl/7EuFdQ A special note to Tumbleweed users that also have further repositories enabled: there is a good chance that some of the repositories already completed their build with GCC 5 as their default compiler. Those repositories can lead to a lot of inconsistencies at this moment, due to possibly missing symbols in the underlying libraries you would be served from Tumbleweed. Should you see any such issues, I can only recommend to switch the respective packages to the openSUSE Tumbleweed version. Once a Tumbleweed snapshot passes all test criteria, you can switch them back to the repository you wish them to come from. I wish you all a good weekend, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: fout in de naam
by Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink 26 Jun '15

26 Jun '15

Op vrijdag 26 juni 2015 13:56:39 schreef Maurice Vansteelandt: > Gertjan, > > per abuis Gerrit geschreven in plaats van Gertjan. > > Mijn excuses. > > Mauk. Dat geeft niet. Één van mijn vrienden noemt me al jaren Gerrit. :D. Ik zal ook naar je andere mail kijken, begrijp dat 't nog niet werkt. Maar, wel een stap verder, zullen we maar zeggen. E.e.a. wordt wel na het weekend, ega en ik zijn allebei jarig, oudste zoon en vriendin vanuit Maastricht hier, ander volk. Groet, Goed weekend, -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht Official openSUSE Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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