February 2006 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

AVM/SUSE/Novell long-term relationship endangered
by s.schmidt＠avm.de 21 Mar '06

21 Mar '06

SUSE/Novell has announced that non-GPL kernel modules will no longer be part of future Novell products. Since SUSE Linux 6.3, AVM has been providing pre-compiled drivers for SUSE Linux. Since the release of SUSE 8.1 in September 2002, AVM drivers have been integrated into SUSE Linux distributions. Each time a new SUSE Linux Version beta cycle starts, AVM provides the latest drivers and Karsten Keil does an excellent job integrating those drivers. Therefore, a new SUSE Linux release goes hand in hand with the latest AVM driver development. At present, nearly the entire AVM product portfolio comes up with SUSE pre-compiled modules for ISDN and DSL devices and as such is part of the SUSE distribution: AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card Classic AVM ISDN-Controller A1 AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card PnP AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card PCI / PCI v2.x AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card PCMCIA AVM ISDN-Controller A1 PCMCIA AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card USB AVM ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card USB v2.x AVM DSL/ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL AVM DSL/ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL v2.0 AVM DSL/ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL USB AVM DSL/ISDN-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL USB v2.0 AVM DSL-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL USB analog AVM DSL-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL SL AVM DSL-Controller FRITZ!Card DSL SL USB AVM ISDN-Controller B1 v1.4/v2.0/v3.0 (ISA) AVM ISDN-Controller B1 PCI / B1 PCI v4.0 AVM ISDN-Controller B1 PCMCIA AVM ISDN-Controller C2 AVM ISDN-Controller C4 AVM ISDN-Controller T1 AVM ISDN-Controller T1-B AVM FRITZ!X USB/ v2.0/ v3.0 AVM FRITZ!X ISDN AVM FRITZ!Box (AVM WLAN-Controller FRITZ!WLAN USB Stick) consequences In the past, the customer bought a fully functional distribution with the release of the brand new SUSE Linux. He could use ISDN fax G3, analog modem emulations or simply surf the internet via DSL/ISDN right away out of the box. For most users, that is the most important point in the distribution decision process. "Easy to use and right away surf the internet", that is the feedback we receive from our customers, when they visit AVM at fairs. The market share SUSE gained over past years is also based on SUSE's user-friendly policy of AVM driver integration. For six years now this strategic partnership with SUSE/Novell payed off for all parties. With Novell's decision to have non-GPL drivers no longer integrated, AVMs drivers will not be included on the distribution media anymore. The customer then needs to have an internet connection to download AVM's drivers or other packages. But without drivers the customer cannot download anything from the internet. conclusion This process will lead to our no longer being able to provide driver packages to the end user with a new SUSE/Novell box release. Our driver build and QS process will be subsequent to the box release instead of parallel to the beta cycle. The process is extended. Moreover, if the Novell decision is implemented as stated, the unique selling proposition of the SUSE Linux Distribution is diminished. And ultimately this decision will generate more support for both of us. This mail is not intended to provoke a discussion of open vs. closed source. The only intention of this mail is to make you aware of the consequences of such a decision. Kind regards Sven Schmidt AVM Audiovisuelles Marketing und Computersysteme GmbH Alt-Moabit 95, D-10559 Berlin http://www.avm.de Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.de> An 09.02.2006 17:14 opensuse-announce(a)opensuse.org Kopie Thema [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 Update I'd like to give you an update on our beta process with the following list of topics: * Deliverable of Beta4 and further schedule * non-GPL kernel modules * Kernel Changes km_ packages * Major bug in Beta3: Fontconfig * Package manager major changes * XGL Deliverable of Beta4 and Further Schedule ========================================= Beta4 did not pass our internal tests, we have to delay it by one week. The FACTORY distribution has been updated with our current packages that everybody can use, but doing a complete installation from the current FACTORY tree is NOT recommended. You should just update single packages as needed. We have decided to release Beta 4 on 2006-02-16 and Beta 5 on 2006-02-23. We'll finalize the schedule after testing and evaluating these two betas. non-GPL kernel modules: ======================= Most developers of the kernel community consider non-GPL kernel modules to be infringing on their copyright. Novell does respect this position, and will no longer distribute non-GPL kernel modules as part of future products. Novell is working with vendors to find alternative ways to provide the functionality that was previously only available with non-GPL kernel modules. Kernel Changes / km_, kmp, and kernel-flavor-nongpl packages: ============================================================= We added support to cleanly handle packages that contain kernel modules by representing the dependencies of mouldes on the kernel ABI as rpm dependencies. This allows third party modules to be provided and integrated cleanly. Modules that were previously included in our kernel packages using the km_ package mechanism [1] have been converted to the new package format [2]; the km_ mechanism is no longer supported. Packages that contain additional kernel modules are now named name-kmp-kernelflavor (e.g., wlan-kmp-default. lirc-kmp-smp). The kmp mechanism [2] supports creating and using additional Kernel Module Packages easily and reliably. The kernel-kernelflavor-nongpl packages which contained modules that had non-GPL licenses have been removed. [1] The km_ package mechanism is described at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/kernel-doc/. [2] Kernel Module Packages Manual for CODE10, http://www.suse.de/~agruen/KMPM/ Major Bug in Beta3: Fontconfig ============================== It might be that X11 apps just crash or are really slow (installation of some packages took rather long), which was due to a bug in fontconfig. A first fix is in fontconfig packages in the Beta3 fixed-rpm directory on ftp.opensuse.org . Beta4 will fix most known bugs. Current packages are available at: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/10.1 - If you use them, update to both fontconfig and fonts-config. The packages in there are newer than what is currently in the FACTORY tree. If you find bugs in the m17n packages, please report them in bugzilla stating the exact version you're using. Package Manager Major Changes ============================= We're replacing our package manager resolver library with a new version called "libzypp". libzypp is the integration of SUSE's yast2 Package manager and Ximian's libredcarpet. At Novell we used two solutions so far - Red Carpet and YaST package manager - and decided to merge both in a best of breed approach. The advantages for SUSE Linux are: * A better resolver than before * More information about why a package is installed or no solution is found * A better integration of all those feature that were added over the years to our package manager. * A command line interface ("rug") * A common handling of packages *and* patches * Dependency handling for update packages * A better way to handle selections (we call them now "patterns") * Remote management (not yet in SUSE Linux 10.1) * Additional repositories during installation (no GUI in SUSE Linux 10.1) * More flexibility in handling of different repositories, e.g. it is possible to have additional patterns for each repository. The new library handles yum metadata, YaST sources (both also remote via ftp, http, nfs and smb) and additionally Zenworks, Opencarpet and RCE (Red Carpet Enterprise) servers as installation sources. The alternatives smart and apt-get will also work as they did on SUSE Linux 10.0. Together with libzypp, we get the zmd daemon, the rug command line interface, the zen-updater, zen-remover, zen-installer packages. In addition to the existing packages, we're adding these new packages: * zmd: system daemon used by rug, zen-* * rug: Command line client * web-updater: Updater with more features than zen-updater * zen-updater: Simple updater * zen-remover: Tool to remove packages * zen-installer: Tool to add packages We're still working on the integration of "libzypp" into our tree, the package manager in our FACTORY tree is not yet fully functional. XGL === Xgl is an Xserver that uses OpenGL for its drawing operations. Xgl engineer David Reveman has posted enhancements to Xgl and a new compositor, 'Compiz' with a request that it be added to the freedesktop.org CVS repository. Some operations like antialiased font rendering is noticeably faster with this technology, and future graphics hardware might only have support for 3D operations and no 2D core any more. These additional packages have now been added to the SUSE Linux FACTORY tree. Note that compiz has a couple of build problems that need to be fixed before it will go out. For details on XGL, please check http://www.opensuse.org/Xgl . Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 [Anhang "att3brm9.dat" gelöscht von Sven Schmidt/AVM]

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GNOME in 10.1
by Jens Siebert 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Hi there, what version of GNOME will be integrated into Suse 10.1? Currently there still is 2.12.x in the factory-tree but 2.14 is currently in the final stages of development. Greetings Jens Siebert Viel oder wenig? Schnell oder langsam? Unbegrenzt surfen + telefonieren ohne Zeit- und Volumenbegrenzung? DAS TOP ANGEBOT JETZT bei Arcor: günstig und schnell mit DSL - das All-Inclusive-Paket für clevere Doppel-Sparer, nur 44,85 inkl. DSL- und ISDN-Grundgebühr! http://www.arcor.de/rd/emf-dsl-2

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Hardware database (Would be very useful)
by Joop Boonen 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

All, Especially SuSE people, I forgot to ask something at the FOSDEM. I notice when i have a bug. That you (understandably) don't have the same hardware in the house. So i was wondering if it might be interresting to have a database with all hardware of all beta testers in it. So you can ask an other beta tester to do a test. I have currently a bug that most likely looks like a kernel bug. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefor it would be great if there would be someone around who could do the same test(s). Regards, Joop Boonen.

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XML File for repositories
by houghi 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

On FOSDEM in the speed talks, I held a speed talk about an XML file for YaST and other repositories. The presentation can be found here: http://en.opensuse.org/XML_File_for_repositories until there is an official place for FOSDEM presentations. This discussion is about the layout of the XML file and also about what SUSE already has in place or is planning, so an easy integration is possible. So any feedback on that is welcome. An extremely basic proof of concept in PHP can be found on http://houghi.org/mirrors/main.php (DON'T USE THE DATA. It is not complete and most likely incorrect) the directory holds all the files and php files are copied as php.txt as well. So what we need is to define what the layout of the XML must be. What must go in it and what not. Any feedback is welcome. Example XML files and php pages for proof of concept can be sent directly to me. So please let all know what your ideas are. What does SUSE already have? How do you see the XML layout? houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

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People with a Tyan Tiger s2460 mainboard
by Joop Boonen 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

All, I would like to know if there is anyone out there who has a Tyan Tiger S2460. I have a problem with it in combination with opensuse 10.1 b2 and up. It craches with EC((C) scrub) enabled in combination with ecad. I have 2 512MB ECC DIMMS onboard slot 0 en 1. Regards, Joop. I liked the FOSDEM very much. Especially the new build service making your own yast modules. And outside opensuse the XEN presentation. I hope there will be a tutorial or followup for the building of the Yast modules. So one can also create unversial Yast modules (to langauges) and to let it work with autoyast.

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Apt
by mhilzinger＠linuxnewmedia.de 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

Hi, where do I find apt on beta5? Was it dropped?? Marcel Hilzinger

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Apt
by Robert Schiele 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 10:18:31PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: > I know, that's in the Factory tree. But I wonder, why ARCHIVES.gz So, why do you ask for the location if you know it. Do you think we are all quite bored and are just waiting to do some useless stuff? > doesn't list it and I can't find it on CD1-CD5. $ zgrep apt-0.5.15cnc7 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ARCHIVES.gz | wc -l 956 $ Well, maybe it is not on the CDs. Ever considered that? Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

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Desktop Icons for KDE
by Marcel Hilzinger 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

It's never too late for a new feature (C) Novell :-) I just saw, that under Gnome, you get a new icon for every external drive attached. This _very useful_ feature was killed from KDE some SL versions ago, when the new "My Computer" icon was introduced. Could we have back the icons for removable media per default in KDE, too? Who likes them, who does not? Is there any technical problem doing so? For me it's just some clicks in the KDE control panel, but newbies perhaps do not find those settings.... -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Hilzinger Linux New Media AG Süskindstr. 4 D-81929 München Tel: +49 (89) 99 34 11 0 Fax: +49 (89) 99 34 11 99

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a2ps paper format depends on $LANG
by Joachim Reichelt 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

Dear all, I just run into a "funny" problem witch a2ps. In germany we have usually A4 paper. So using a2ps <filenam> is o.k. Now I had to set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 now a2ps prints to letter format. During install of a2ps there shold changed line 17: Options: --medium=LC_PAPER to Options: --medium=A4 Reason: Papersize has to depend on installation and not on users language. The paper format is usually set by tha admin. -- Joachim

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Smart and rpm hangs
by Juan Erbes 26 Feb '06

26 Feb '06

If I will to make a full upgrade via smart, with more than 1000 packages, smart uses a virtual memory size of more than 1300 MB, and locks the system If I use rpm for the upgrade (with the downloaded packages via smart), frequently it locks with the message: warning: waiting to reestablish exclusive database lock I mean that the lock comes from the proces query-system, because in the same time it uses a high cpu percent. Thanks

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