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[opensuse-gnome] GUADEC Report for openSUSE [RESEND]
by JP Rosevear 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

As promised, interesting GUADEC tidbits. * GNOME 3.0 -framework for getting there proposed by release team -generally well received -some concern about what the "cool" stuff will be -http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnome-3-0-officially-announced-and-explained.html -good summary -current approx. schedule is spring 2010 (GNOME 2.30 == 3.0) -ideal for a SLED 11.5 about ~18 months after SLED 11 -Federico talked to TimJ+Kris (Imendio) and Lucas+Vincent (release team) -porting even obsolete / deprecated platform libraries to new ABI to keep/backwards compat probable -agreed that we don't want to pull a GNOME 2.0. -Better sooner than later to avoid a GNOME 1->2 disaster. -Imendio mentioned producing compiler-based tools to do automatic porting. * Online Desktop -big board has improved a *lot* since last year -connections to many more services -ui improvements -gconf settings sync -favorite applications -using slab/tile type functionality for some stuff -seems unlikely to have full support in initial RHEL 6 -maybe in updates and RHEL 7 -many infrastructure issues to solve -shared and/or federated servers? -what about distros without for-profit backing? -what about ad revenues driven through this? -branding? * Multimedia/UPnP-AV -Aaron/Gabriel spoke with Zeeshan Ali about gupnp implementation -uses libsoup/libxml2 for HTTP/SOAP -requires a number of libraries to get the UPnP-AV spec (gssdp, gupnp, gupnp-av, at a minimum) -vala enters the picture if we wish to use their media server as a starting point -gupnp and gupnp-av will be difficult to bind do to the way they use GObject signals (similar to GStreamer) -very GNOMEy stack - GIO/GMainLoop integration, nice, but raises xplat issues for Banshee at least -looking to push gupnp into many areas of GNOME where UPnP standards exist in the market already -exciting, but still very young * Multimedia/Elisa -Elisa is maturing nicely, but also growing in terms of functionality -Last year they wanted to be more of a front end to existing MM platforms, this year they want to be the MM platform * Multimedia/GStreamer -Aaron/Gabriel worked with Win Taymans on starting port to playbin2 in Banshee -will provide gapless playback and other goodies in the future * Evolution Re-Licensing -well received, lots of support * Conduit -nautilus, totem, eog plugins so apps can leverage conduit -author is not that happy with the UI for non-power users -looking to share web services login manager with gnome online desktop * WebKit -webkit support heading for epiphany, yelp, gimp, pidgin, evolution -webkit has nsplugin support * Telepathy/Collaboration -telepathy-glib work to enable simpler usage by clients -cool "tube" work for files and vnc -vnc works well -issues around bandwidth demands for this sort of use -voice/video working well for XMPP and SIP -GSoC for farsight videoconferencing -Ekiga 3.0 coming * Sound -pulseaudio will probably be proposed as an external dependency -work is planned to get it well-integrated for 2.26 -with sound events through libcanberra * Keyboard Handling -Richard Hughes keyboard handling diagram -http://rhughes.fedorapeople.org/linux-input-model.png * Bluetooth -bluez 4.x series coming -3.x compat available at compile time in daemon -last stuff ported in ~6 months -Bastien N. from RedHat has partial bluetooth support for NM * Hardware -marco polo/shackleton projects for hardware policy -http://guadec.expectnation.com/guadec08/public/schedule/detail/56 * Random Applications to Watch: -PaperBox http://live.gnome.org/PaperBox -nautilus mercurial plugins -tweet/twitux -gdesklets (seems to be living a bit again) -clutter toolkit -GeoClue/gypsy for location aware apps -wizbit revisioning file system base on gitcore -time machine like functionality -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME: repository maintenance
by Michael Wolf 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

Hello With the imminent release of openSUSE 11.0, it's time once again to take a good look at our repositories in the Build Service. JP, Dirk from the KDE team, and I discussed this earlier today, and we've come up with the following proposal. (To be fair, it was Dirk who did, and he convinced JP and me that he was right. ;) He proposed a very similar organization for KDE here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2008-06/msg00010.html) * GNOME:STABLE - This will contain GNOME roughly as shipped with the last shipped version of openSUSE. So, Real Soon Now (tm) it will contain GNOME 2.22.x. The term "STABLE" can cause some confusion, so to clarify, it means a distribution of GNOME that we have deemed stable, tested, etc. As such, it may sometimes lag the most recent release released as stable by upstream. * GNOME:Factory - Here is where development for the next version of openSUSE will happen. We've made some previous attempts to do our development in the Build Service that were not so successful, for a variety of reasons. But this time, with improved tools and greater determination, I think we can make it work for real. http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Collaboration describes some of the Build Service's new capabilities. I'm looking forward to seeing good stuff coming in now that it's so much easier to contribute changes. * GNOME:UNSTABLE - I expect this project to lie fallow most of the time. * GNOME:Community - This project will continue as is. Questions, comments, or concerns? Or corrections? :) Michael. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GUADEC Report for openSUSE
by JP Rosevear 24 Jul '08

24 Jul '08

As promised, interesting GUADEC tidbits. * GNOME 3.0 -framework for getting there proposed by release team -generally well received -some concern about what the "cool" stuff will be -http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnome-3-0-officially-announced-and-explained.html -good summary -current approx. schedule is spring 2010 (GNOME 2.30 == 3.0) -ideal for a SLED 11.5 about ~18 months after SLED 11 -Federico talked to TimJ+Kris (Imendio) and Lucas+Vincent (release team) -porting even obsolete / deprecated platform libraries to new ABI to keep/backwards compat probable -agreed that we don't want to pull a GNOME 2.0. -Better sooner than later to avoid a GNOME 1->2 disaster. -Imendio mentioned producing compiler-based tools to do automatic porting. * Online Desktop -big board has improved a *lot* since last year -connections to many more services -ui improvements -gconf settings sync -favorite applications -using slab/tile type functionality for some stuff -seems unlikely to have full support in initial RHEL 6 -maybe in updates and RHEL 7 -many infrastructure issues to solve -shared and/or federated servers? -what about distros without for-profit backing? -what about ad revenues driven through this? -branding? * Multimedia/UPnP-AV -Aaron/Gabriel spoke with Zeeshan Ali about gupnp implementation -uses libsoup/libxml2 for HTTP/SOAP -requires a number of libraries to get the UPnP-AV spec (gssdp, gupnp, gupnp-av, at a minimum) -vala enters the picture if we wish to use their media server as a starting point -gupnp and gupnp-av will be difficult to bind do to the way they use GObject signals (similar to GStreamer) -very GNOMEy stack - GIO/GMainLoop integration, nice, but raises xplat issues for Banshee at least -looking to push gupnp into many areas of GNOME where UPnP standards exist in the market already -exciting, but still very young * Multimedia/Elisa -Elisa is maturing nicely, but also growing in terms of functionality -Last year they wanted to be more of a front end to existing MM platforms, this year they want to be the MM platform * Multimedia/GStreamer -Aaron/Gabriel worked with Win Taymans on starting port to playbin2 in Banshee -will provide gapless playback and other goodies in the future * Evolution Re-Licensing -well received, lots of support * Conduit -nautilus, totem, eog plugins so apps can leverage conduit -author is not that happy with the UI for non-power users -looking to share web services login manager with gnome online desktop * WebKit -webkit support heading for epiphany, yelp, gimp, pidgin, evolution -webkit has nsplugin support * Telepathy/Collaboration -telepathy-glib work to enable simpler usage by clients -cool "tube" work for files and vnc -vnc works well -issues around bandwidth demands for this sort of use -voice/video working well for XMPP and SIP -GSoC for farsight videoconferencing -Ekiga 3.0 coming * Sound -pulseaudio will probably be proposed as an external dependency -work is planned to get it well-integrated for 2.26 -with sound events through libcanberra * Keyboard Handling -Richard Hughes keyboard handling diagram -http://rhughes.fedorapeople.org/linux-input-model.png * Bluetooth -bluez 4.x series coming -3.x compat available at compile time in daemon -last stuff ported in ~6 months -Bastien N. from RedHat has partial bluetooth support for NM * Hardware -marco polo/shackleton projects for hardware policy -http://guadec.expectnation.com/guadec08/public/schedule/detail/56 * Random Applications to Watch: -PaperBox http://live.gnome.org/PaperBox -nautilus mercurial plugins -tweet/twitux -gdesklets (seems to be living a bit again) -clutter toolkit -GeoClue/gypsy for location aware apps -wizbit revisioning file system base on gitcore -time machine like functionality -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upcoming #opensuse-gnome Meeting 2008/07/24 16:00 UTC ( please check times for your location thoroughly )
by Casual J. Programmer 24 Jul '08

24 Jul '08

Hi all GNOME addicts, The next openSUSE-GNOME project meeting will take place at the official #opensuse-gnome IRC channel on freenode (irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE-gnome) on upcoming Thursday: 2008/07/17 16:00 UTC (18:00 CEST) For an overview what time this is in different timezones, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=07&year=2… This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE-GNOME. Please review your topics on the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080724 as soon as possible. For general info about our IRC meetings read: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About For a general technical introduction to IRC (Internet Relay Chat) see http://www.irchelp.org/ ;(not affiliated with openSUSE) or enter "IRC help" into your preferred search engine. The network we use is freenode - for more information on this, including how to find a server, visit http://freenode.net/;(not affiliated with openSUSE either). Have a lot of fun .. Casual J. Programmer (on behalf of the openSUSE-GNOME team)

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[opensuse-gnome] RFC: selecting a subset of screensavers
by Vincent Untz 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Hi, Right now, in the default install, we have tons of screensavers because we install the xscreensaver ones. That's all good, except that it's really too many screensavers, and some are not that great. I'd like us to split the xscreensaver screensavers in two packages -- one that we'll install by default, and another one that we'll make available for other people. Ideally, the subset that we'd install by default would contain 10-20 screensavers. Opinions? Volunteers to do this selection? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] gdesklets
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Hey Guys , What chance is there that opensuse would become the hosts for and takeover the gdesklets project. Including the SideCandy group as an included option would really be sweet . It would be something that other gnome distro would be missing and those users would be looking at openSuSE and saying mmmmm even more polish. Just a thought. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] gimp (2.5) packaged in multimedia:photo
by Stanislav Brabec 22 Jul '08

22 Jul '08

Hallo. I just packaged gimp-2.5 and related libraries in project multimedia:photo as gimp-unstable. It should become stable sometimes in 2009. I have added links to gimp-gap, gimp-help and gimp from Factory there as well. (I have just finished packaging of gimp-help-2.4.1 and it should appear soon in Factory.) -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: Dropping/G:C'ing libsvg and libsvg-cairo
by Stanislav Brabec 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

JP Rosevear wrote: > I reviewed libsvg for patch review, but it turns out its only used by > libsvg-cairo which was only used by python-cairo. > > However python-cairo stopped used it a long time ago. > > Should we drop libsvg and libsvg-cairo or at least move them to G:C? I packaged in on request: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=120043 If it is used by any project, then G:C may be appropriate. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Dropping/G:C'ing libsvg and libsvg-cairo
by JP Rosevear 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

I reviewed libsvg for patch review, but it turns out its only used by libsvg-cairo which was only used by python-cairo. However python-cairo stopped used it a long time ago. Should we drop libsvg and libsvg-cairo or at least move them to G:C? -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] tutorials needed
by Christopher Hobbs 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 08:31 -0600, Stephen Shaw wrote: > I'm trying to collect some tutorials. The idea behind the tutorials > is to help promote and help people on openSUSE. suseROCKS and sontek > are helping out with this and we are hoping to work together with this > project (opensuse-tutorials.com) and helping hands. > > Thanks, > Stephen ( decriptor ) Anything in particular you're looking for? -- Christopher M. Hobbs, chobbs(a)siloamsprings.com Network Administrator, City of Siloam Springs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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