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[opensuse-gnome] Junior Job: registering URI scheme handlers with glib 2.27
by Vincent Untz 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Hi, We're going to ship glib 2.28 in openSUSE 11.4, since 2.28 should be out in December. There's one change that we must prepare for, though: the way URI scheme handlers are registered changed. Before, applications used to register themselves in gconf (see /desktop/gnome/url-handlers). The new glib won't support that anymore and will use the MIME type system. See Bastien's post for some more background: http://www.hadess.net/2010/10/new-control-center-and-you.html What does it mean for us? It means that we have to patch various packages for this, and the good news is that by doing this, we can help upstream. It's really easy to do, and I'm looking for volunteers :-) Below are some instructions. It's a bit long. And it's late here, so maybe they won't be really clear to everyone ;-) But just ask if you want to help and face an issue. Here is the upstream tracker bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=631433&hide_resolved=0 Let's take an example: Yelp. If you go the tracker bug, you'll find a bug for yelp: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631678 We need to register yelp for the x-scheme-handler/ghelp, x-scheme-handler/info and x-scheme-handler/man MIME types. So here are the steps we'll do: a) branch yelp in the build service (osc branch GNOME:Factory yelp) b) look for the source of the desktop file in the tarball. In this case, this is yelp.desktop.in.in. c) add the MIME types to the MimeType key. If there's no such key, create one. For yelp, there's no such key, so we create one: MimeType=x-scheme-handler/ghelp;x-scheme-handler/info;x-scheme-handler/man; d) make sure that the Exec line has %u or %U as argument. This is required to accept the URI that has to be opened. %u is for only one URI, and %U is for multiple URI. In the case of yelp, we probably want %u, and we see that the Exec line doesn't have %u nor %U, so we add %u. e) to make sure you were right to do this, manually simulate the opening of such an URI. Call "yelp ghelp:evince" and see if it works fine. (We replaced %u with ghelp:evince). f) it's also important to make sure that simply calling the Exec line by removing %u or %U works. For example, if yelp needs --open to open a URI, you would use "yelp --open %u". But you have to check that "yelp --open" doesn't fail and just launches yelp. If it doesn't, then it will be a bit more complex and I suggest for now to just report in the bug that yelp needs to be adapted. f) create a patch of these changes, and submit it in bugzilla, as well as in the build service Additionally, we need someone to also patch totem with the two patches that were committed in git for this: http://git.gnome.org/browse/totem/commit/?id=74833ef98e515104a5ef10b0e59af0… http://git.gnome.org/browse/totem/commit/?id=b337849b174efd6b11304ddcdd3cfd… There will be other apps to patch, that are not tracked in the upstream bug. Looking at what I have in gconf, we probably want to patch the desktop file for firefox (to support ftp and http) and transmission (to support magnet). We could also patch xchat (but it needs to be done carefully -- I'll let that as an exercice to the reader). Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] New/removed GNOME-related packages, issue #3 (11.4 Milestone 2)
by Vincent Untz 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

Hi, This is the list of GNOME-related packages that got added since the last issue, ie August 26th. The packages that are in Factory as of this issue will be in Milestone 2! Woohoo! We didn't get any removal this time. I must admit I lost track of who did what, but many of those packages are in thanks to Atri, Dominique, and Luis! Keep the contributions coming! http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_new_packages contains the latest status about this. New packages ============ New, and already in Factory: + arista: video transcoder + cherrytree: hierarchical note taking application + gnac: audio converter + gtk3-branding-openSUSE: openSUSE branding for GTK+ 3 + libdmapsharing: library needed for DAAP support in rhythmbox + libkate: overlay codec, for karaoke and text (needed for gstreamer plugin) + libraw: raw decoding library (needed for shotwell) + libtimidity: MIDI to WAV library (needed for gstreamer plugin) + rygel: UPnP for GNOME + transmageddon: video converter + vboxgtk: GTK+ frontend for virtualbox Were already in a devel project and now also in Factory: + evolution-tray: evolution plugin to minimize to tray + fillmore and lombard: audio and video editors + gcstar: personal collections manager + glib-networking: gio module to use libproxy + gnonlin: gstreamer plugin for non-linear editors + gstreamer-0_10-plugins-gl: OpenGL-based plugins for gstreamer + libvpx: VP8 codec (WebM) + memphis: library to render openstreetmap tiles (for libchamplain) + pitivi: video editor + shotwell: a photo manager + sparkleshare: file sharing and collaboration tool Submitted or waiting for submission to Factory: + gst-rtsp: gstreamer rtsp server Soon to enter a devel project: + gnome-dvb-daemon: daemon to setup your DVB devices, record and watch TV shows and browse EPG + pidgin-embedded-video: view videos embedded in pidgin chat window + wiican: assistant to use wiimotes + x-tile: gnome applet to tile windows Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Gmail Notifications.
by nmarques - on the road to Nüernberg 02 Nov '10

02 Nov '10

Hi all, Today I was talking with one user that is migrating from KDE to GNOME on the #opensuse-pt channel and something quite interesting poped out... having some gmail notifications. Anyone aware of any application to fulfill this? I know there's some stuff I could get from Ubuntu to do this, but I also found [1] which can be used. I'm also interested in packaging this for personal use, therefore, if anyone can point the best application to fulfill this role in case we don't have it packaged already, I would like to take that assignment. [1] - http://notifier.geekysuavo.org/ nelson. -- nelson marques nmo.marques(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] New rule for changes in GNOME packages (and need help)
by Vincent Untz 29 Oct '10

29 Oct '10

Hi, I think we can be a bit more helpful to other teams by clearly documenting some of the changes happening in the GNOME packages. I'd like us to start documenting the big changes on a wiki page, so that we can quickly summarize them. Relevant changes would be important changes for end-users, and important changes for the way the distribution works (like new packaging macros, or change in a library that might affect other teams). Does that make sense to people? Can someone create a wiki page for this, that we'll start populating? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME3, openSUSE and Unity.
by Nelson Marques 27 Oct '10

27 Oct '10

Dear all, There's too much fuss around Unity and GNOME at the moment. I have some concerns, and it's somehow easy for me to realize that distributions do have a great role to perform in supporting GNOME: * As a distribution channel for GNOME; * As a source of contributors for GNOME; * Help GNOME in promoting an experience; * Promote the Free Desktop alternative; * etc. 'Unity' comes with some pure sarcasm, and the media is passing on already a very twisted idea about GNOME. On this article from 'The Register' a less technical user can pretty much take the conclusion that GNOME is a solution for obsolete environments. My suggestions to this list so that we can help GNOME from openSUSE, and at the same time, defend our users. Unity is going to become 'hype', Canonical's marketing is on that. Our users will feel tempted to try out 'Unity'. Unity has it's own 3rd party distribution channels. OK, Dell this or Dell that, but small local hardware manufacturers get the message and they are also pushing Ubuntu. So in a way, we can't ignore it, therefore we need to use the ammunition we have available to defend ourselfs. War was brought upon us, either you like or not. From a strategical point of view, our success will be based mainly on 'resources' and the management of those, the very own can be applied to GNOME, and they have their own people to work it out, though we can help if required. A small set of actions that can help us: 1. Do not engage Canonical directly. Take a vertical defense strategy. In an easy way: treat them like you would treat your ex-girlfriend which cheated on you, give them indiference. That's what will hurt them more, specially their hordes of fan boys. If you find this is not the way, consider people's morale and the negative impacts of engaging a full scale war that will bring no benefit to us. 2. Take a stand - By not facing directly Canonical/Ubuntu/Unity, but instead to promote GNOME Shell and GNOME3. I would base all the message in the following points: * Invitation to a whole new user experience; * Invitation to be a part of something, GNOME; * Invitation to be a part of a innovation; * Promote only people, no screenshots, no tech stuff. Drop that mentality, if we are a community, we are people, as such we build our message based on the people, GNOME developers, packagers, and specially USERS!. * Refuse to be shy and brag a lot about how GNOME3 can be the ultimate experience for your desktop (ease of use, reliability, productivity). Means: The traditional digital means we use! Social Networks, Blog spheres, even YOUTUBE! Specially youtube. (I know it's H264, but we have a higher purpose, promote GNOME3). Canonical took a stand, we take a stand, and hopefully next time we take a stand even before Canonical did it. I don't like to use this expression due to it's author, but I would to do so: "while they build their barricades, we charge in!" 3. Beta Phase - Beta Phase is important, we need to schedule one before GNOME3 hits the final release. A couple of points in why you really want to do it: * Because you will be providing your users a preview of gnome-shell. Therefore when it becomes standard, they already tried it and already have an idea of what is coming their way. * Bug Squash parties - Important stuff for you guys. Most users will _NOT_ be able to provide decent bug reports. We need to be pedagogical on this. Anyone willing to write a sort of "Bug Report in 5 steps" that we can use during the beta phase to enrol our users? I'll bring this up on marketing so we can get a 'ninja pack' of merchandise to send to the top bug reporters (based on quality of bug reports and maybe relevance?), this is actually something you guys can decide for us. * Soften the adaptation process and eventually reduce the psychic costs of our users during that process. * Most important, have the opportunity to collect feedback and provide GNOME Project all the information required to easen up the deployment process and promotion of GNOME3 even before it's released, according to our users expectations and problems. 4. Ammunition - As a community and as a Linux distribution if the licences aren't a problem to distribute Unity, openSUSE should consider to place some effort in making Unity available 'AS AN OPTION' to our users. This will remove the need they have to install Ubuntu and check out Unity. We should not place any effort in marketing that, on the contrary, we should market only GNOME and gnome shell. But having it as an alternative will help us defend our position and our users. We can even later on turn such option against Canonical. It would be interesting to have actually a better Unity option than Canonical itself, specially when Canonical has a long history in refusing patches for extended configuration. They will appear also for Unity, if they don't accept it, we can eventually aceppt them ourselves and might even in some cases shift those contributors to our side, thus educate them and try to make them real GNOME contributors. The availability (or not) of Unity by openSUSE is to be faced only as a defensive action to preserve the integrety of our community and avoid our users to try Ubuntu. This has to be properly advertised as such. Those are some thoughts. Sorry for the critical wall of text. I am willing to work on a wiki page and some contents to promote GNOME and if this list believes that Unity can be used to preserve our community (point 4), I can take a number of packages to package, though I will require help here and there. This are personal thoughts, which I believe that can help us in defending our position. I do not favor any strategy that takes a direct hit on Canonical or their users, as they won't be shy in bashing us down. Kindest Regards, nmarques -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] openSUSE Documentation site
by Alan 27 Oct '10

27 Oct '10

Hey, Just cc-ing the list again as you dropped it out of your response accidentally. > You make it clear that there are commercial interests behind this, > while I trully believed that this case was based on "from the > community" and "to the community". I could be a dick right now and > take this to the forums and eventually try to leverage the public > opinion to favour it and destroy most arguments presents (or at least > try). But since it seems there are interests, as you clearly point, > and I quote: > > " Especially when that customer wants to give me money " > > Following the original thoughts from RMS about documentation in free > software, there's actually only one thing I can do: turn my back into > such villainy. > I can not be associated with such thing. Thanks for making it clear > for us, who care more about the community then exactly about the shark > interests (_on documentation_ ?!) of some. No, not at all. I'm just making sure everyone realises that commercial entities are part of the community. When making decisions on behalf of the community you need to make sure that those decisions would be agreeable to the majority of people from a wide range of cultures from both a commercial and non-commercial background. > > This clears pretty much a lot to me. Thank you, now I am enlightened. > And as a personal note, for someone who feels so much offense, you > really have no problem in using such word as your post clearly > indicates. When something is appropriate, I use it. It was the most appropriate way of wording my concerns as to why 'rtfm' may be considered insulting or inappropriate. If you felt that my email was inappropriately worded then it served it's purpose. You now understand exactly why I believe 'rtfm' is inappropriate for a documentation site. Alan. > > > > > > >> >> If you felt vaguely offended or insulted while reading that paragraph >> then you understand why RTFM is not a good choice. I really don't see >> what it brings to the table other than 'fuck'. I'd also like to direct >> your attention to the rather apt section 'Use and overuse' here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM . Take note of how other distros and >> other websites have banned (yes, *banned*) the usages of that phrase >> as it's both unhelpful and unwelcoming. That's pretty much all I have >> to add. >> >> Alan >> >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 17:59 +0100, Alan wrote: >>>> If everyone here can say with a clean conscience that they have no >>>> trouble saying the words "read the fucking manual" to anyone and >>>> everyone who has a problem which can be solved by the docs then I >>>> think rtfm is a great idea. >>>> >>>> If you think that might cause offence, then maybe you should be >>>> looking at ditching the name. >>> >>> Read This Fine Manual >>> >>> Phonetically: redifine manual /* they look so close */ >>> >>> Plus lots of other stuff... Some people will know it's 'Read the fking >>> manual' but we can present in another non-harmful way, and people can >>> still laugh about it. >>> >>> Given the ammount of self-learning on this communities, I really think >>> it's dangerous and involves a risk to use it, but it work out very good! >>> >>> But that's just me. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Alan. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net> wrote: >>>> > On Monday 25 October 2010 16:35:33 Nelson Marques wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> If someone who is placing work on helping with our goals has >>>> >> chosen «RTFM», my role would be making «RTFM» look good and promote it >>>> >> with the right message. >>>> > >>>> > From your perspective F-word can be fun for non-native speakers, but try to >>>> > translate RTFM to Portuguese and tell me what is positive in F part of it. It >>>> > is a profanity. I'm sure that I will not tell to any person that I have >>>> > respect for, or I expect to be respected from, to see rtfm domain for opensuse >>>> > docs. >>>> > >>>> > Well entrenched acronyms can be changed, but the price can be higher than >>>> > openSUSE can pay. >>>> > >>>> > IMO, energy can be better used to fix the links and style sheet glitches on >>>> > the http://doc.opensuse.org . >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards, >>>> > Rajko >>>> > -- >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > nelson marques > nmo.marques(a)gmail.com > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE Documentation site
by Paul Cutler 27 Oct '10

27 Oct '10

Hi, I'm not where to share feedback about this, but as this is the only openSUSE mailing list I'm currently subscribed to, I thought i'd start here. Before I blog about this (if I do), I wanted to say I'm happy to see the openSUSE community launch a Documentation sub-domain, especially as someone who enjoys writing user help for upstream. Getting users to read documentation and user help can be a challenge and efforts like this are important to encourage users to start in one spot when they need help. But I can't communicate enough how disappointed I am in the sub-domain that has been chosen: http;//rtfm.opensuse.org - RTFM has such a negative connotation, especially from Linux's early years, that while this may be funny to an old-timer that has been using Linux for more than 10 years, to someone who is new and needs help, this is a bad message to send. Whether they have tried to get help on IRC or a forum and have been told to go "RTFM" we shouldn't encourage that kind of behavior by naming a sub-domain "RTFM". Call it docs.opensuse.org, help.opensuse.org, userhelp.opensuse.org or anything else. There's no reason to continue an old stereotype or use an abbreviation in a sub-domain that contains profanity. If anyone can pass this on to the community members who set this up or share their contact information I'm more than happy to pass on this feedback. Thanks. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] dmxviewer needed?
by Andreas Jaeger 27 Oct '10

27 Oct '10

The package dmxviewer exists in home:hennevogel:TODO, a temporary devel project. It was formerly maintainer by "gnome-maintainers". A couple of questions for you: * Is this package still needed for factory ? * Do you want to maintain it? * Or should I drop it? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME:Stable:2.32 upgrade issues on x86_64
by Matthew Walton 22 Oct '10

22 Oct '10

Hi I recently did a distupgrade to GNOME:Stable:2.32 on a pretty fresh OpenSUSE 11.3 installation. Rather than moan on IRC where people might not see this, especially during conference, I thought I'd write it up properly. There were some problems. Not as bad as last time I tried this a while back, admittedly. I did the dup, didn't check every single package change, and restarted my session. First problem? No panel. Eep. In a terminal, gnome-panel told me that it was dying because the notification area applet was missing a symbol in GTK+. I'm afraid I can't remember that symbol's exact name. It didn't take much sniffing to discover that GTK+ 2.22 had not been installed during the upgrade. That was a surprise. I told zypper to install it manually, it said there was an update available with vendor change, so I forced it to do that and the reason was revealed - some kind of dependency/provides argument with gtk2-branding-opensuse and gtk2-engines or maybe gtk2-branding-upstream. Unfortunately it's a bit too early in the morning to remember the details. In any case, installing that sorted out notification-area. Cracking. The problem I remain immediately aware of is what looks like a rendering bug in certain conditions. I'm using compiz on an nvidia card, and before the upgrade everything looked fine. Now, when I pull up GNOME Do, the window's shadow (which I believe is rendered by Do and not by compiz) has no gradient - it's just a nasty chunk of translucent grey. This lack of gradient is also visible in certain states of certain GTK widgets, like the internal shadow on a progress bar, and a depressed button (using the Clearlooks engine for this). I did wonder if maybe cairo had escaped updating too, but that's at the latest available version according to zypper (package libcairo2). So that one's got me stumped, and it's kind of ugly too. Seems to affect all apps, from GDM to Firefox and beyond. There's a load of stuff I haven't tested yet as well, but I'll worry about that if it becomes worrisome. I know I could've just stuck with 2.30, but I knew there were probably still problems from my adventures before, and how can problems be fixed if people don't know about them? Thanks Matthew mathw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] zbzpp zstv
by Renata Coretta 18 Oct '10

18 Oct '10

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