Mockups:
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7501/cleangnomemainmenumockull6.pnghttp://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1028/appbrowsermockupzj3.pnghttp://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6744/controlcentermockupxw7.png
Hello,
with the 0.9x-version, the main menu has acquired new functionality but
also has lost some of its intuitive handling. Two bars plugged unto the
centre of the menu are one too many. And my father wasn't even capable
of finding the log-out entry in the _old_ version of the menu.
Big Board,too, now tries to cram as much info as possible into one menu
(leading to an information-overload IMHO). I think it would be a good
thing if the gnome-main-menu would set itself apart from that by
providing as simple a way as possible to do as many things as possible
within a menu.
I hope you don't mind that I make some suggestions for a simpler design
of the gnome-main-menu also showing an application-browser and the
control-center inline.
So, basically I'd like to see the menu slimmed down somewhat. Perhaps
less can be more, sometimes. There's two ways one could do something
about that: Omitting unneccessary things and arranging things better.
1. Unneccessary space-stealers
How many times do we really need to lock the screen manually? Not too
often, as it happens automatically after a few minutes. So skip that
menu-entry.
Does the entry-field for the search-menu have to cover the whole length
of the menu? Certainly not!
2. Clever re-grouping of buttons
How many times do we want to install software when we open the menu? Not
too often. We want to do it mostly when we realize that an application
we need is not installed. So put the 'install software'-button next to
the 'More...'-button in the menu/the app-browser, where the user will
need it.
Do we really need to know whether the machine is connected to the Net
everytime we open the menu? And also, how much space there is on the HD?
I think not. Also, this replicates data we should be shown in the
gnome-panel (network-manager, D-Bus low-space warning). In the end, we
would look for system-information somewhere where we can do other
system-maintenance, also. So, put it into an inline control-center (see
mockup).
This leaves us with few, but important menu items on the right-hand bar:
'Help' and 'Logout'.
As shrinking the 'Search'-menu has gained us space, and as especially
the 'Logout'-button is very important, one could and should put them
into the top-bar of the menu IMHO; next to the search-field.
Below that, as in the 0.9x-version there is 'Applications', 'Documents'
and 'Places', and it now has gained a 'System'-entry which shows the new
inline control-center and some system-info.
The active entry ('Applications' respectively 'System' in these mockups)
should be highlighted in blue, but, hey, I'm no good with the Gimp;
sorry. Please also excuse the mixture of German and English in the
mockups.
Well, this is how the mockups' design got together.
Now for the functioning of an inline application-browser and
control-center that I hope to see someday. :)
In the applications-browser the upper half of the windows should contain
the categories of applications; if not all fit in, the 'More...'-button
should show the next categories.
The lower half of the window shows the applications of the selected
category. The 'More...'-button shows the next applications of that
category. It would be very clever if the most-used applications were
shown first.
The search-button could search the for the active area (applications,
documents... you could also regard e-mail as documents) while typing and
only if the user hits the return-key the beagle-search interface could
come up.
Same for the control-panel; the 'More...'-button only changes the
appropriate part of the window.
BTW, the Big Board developers have come up with an idea worth stealing:
installation suggestions
(http://clarkbw.net/blog/2007/05/04/bullish-on-finding-new-applications/). For example if you search for 'presentation' and don't have presentation-software installed, it would suggest
OpenOffice as a recommended install. That would be some idea for future
use. It would be nice to have 'suggstions' for categories,too. Say, you
browse the 'Internet'-category; there's two lines with place for 3
applications-icons each. Now, say, you'd only have 4 applications
installedd, so the otherwise 'empty' spaces in line 2 would be filled by
two suggested installations.
Enough stuff to think about. I hope someone might find the mockups worth
thinking about, too.
Greets,
Chris
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Hallo.
I am using 10.2 + GNOME:UNSTABLE and I am experiencing several strange
problems.
Could anybody using GNOME:UNSTABLE or Factory confirm these problems?
- Metacity does not start from saved session. Starting it manually helps
(but may be complicated to do it without window manager).
- Epiphany often loses DNS resolution, but the rest of the system
continues to work. I suspect nss-mdns. I have commented it out
in /etc/nssswitch.conf and it seems to help.
- pam_keyring does not work:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=260590
Not counting these problems it works nice.
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Hello,
Do we have a plan to get GNOME 2.18.2 into factory/gnome-stable?
Cheers.
-Gary
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Hi everyone!
GUADEC[1] is not far away. So I wanted to ask everyone who will be
there, whether there is interest in an openSUSE get-together at GUADEC?
Chat about your favourite[2] environment in your favourite distribution.
Meet with the people, have fun and work on openSUSE specific GNOME
issues.
As a time-frame I'd recommend the core days as most people will be at
GUADEC at this time. A specific time can be chosen through discussion
here. Location can be decided when we're there (and know where to go).
Cheers,
Josh
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On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 23:07 +0530, Bikram Chatterjee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am stuck with problem starting SuSE 10.1. The distro is a x86_64.
> The system required a WinXp 64bit dual boot :((. The Linux was
> pre-installed. After installing WinXp the boot loader required
> repairing in order to have XP in chain loading. After that is done
> successfully, I am unable to load GNOME though Failsafe GNOME is
> loading. The error is telling me that there was session crash after
> less than 10sec of previous load, and the error is written at
> "~/.xsession-errors" it also suggested that after the error is fixed I
> can get the system back (no need to reinstall :) ). The said file has:
>
> --- paste start ----
> /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with
> wtmp and utmp
> /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg
> -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h
> "" -l ":0" "root"
> /etc/X11/xim: Checking wether an input method should be started.
> INPUT_METHOD is not set or empty (no user selected input method).
> Trying to start a default input method for the locale en_US.UTF-8 ...
> There is no default input method for the current locale.
> ---- paste end ----
>
> Can anybody please help me with right direction to fix this thing.
Well, .xsession-errors seems to have no information. See if there is
anything interesting in /var/log/gdm/
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Greetings,
Recently I started playing a bit with building RPMs and produced rpms for:
* Pidgin guifications
* Pidgin plugin pack from guifications.sf.net
* gnome-main-menu 0.9.8
Those can be found in my little experimental repository at http://rpm.i-nz.net .
I am wondering if it is a good idea (of course if those rpms meet your
standards) to get those rpms in the Community repository? I am
planning on backporting and packaging gnome software every now and
then when I need something in the future.
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Ops forgot to add list to recepients...
On 5/14/07, Ivan N. Zlatev <contact(a)i-nz.net> wrote:
> I don't know about Factory, but you can probably get and give
> main-menu 0.9.8 a try. It works flawlessly for me on 10.2. Get it from
> GNOME:Unstable -
> http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/UNSTABLE/openSUSE_10.2
>
> Regards.
>
> On 5/14/07, Wade Berrier <wberrier(a)novell.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anyone know if gnome-main-menu has been fixed in factory so it doesn't
> > freeze?
> >
> > The applet often freezes in 10.2 (menu doesn't pop up when clicked, or
> > the applet disappears, but doesn't crash). This happens especially when
> > I'm switching wireless networks with networkmanager. I'm guessing it
> > may be dbus related, but am not sure.
> >
> > Any updates?
> >
> > Wade
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Hi,
Anyone know if gnome-main-menu has been fixed in factory so it doesn't
freeze?
The applet often freezes in 10.2 (menu doesn't pop up when clicked, or
the applet disappears, but doesn't crash). This happens especially when
I'm switching wireless networks with networkmanager. I'm guessing it
may be dbus related, but am not sure.
Any updates?
Wade
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Can you keep replies on-list please?
> what's the name of the pidgin package? i just made a quick search on
> the webpin project website, and it returned no results, and did you
> make it so it can automatically update gaim-unstable?
It's called pidgin. Is there some latency on webpin perhaps?
Haven't made it automatically update yet but I intend to once I'm
satisfied it's relatively stable (seems to be so far).
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