I have another proposal for small changes to the UI.
Would it be possible to implement something like this for the package
selector?
http://sukimashita.com/temp/yast2-gtk-package-selector-1.gif
Similar for the categories (the themes have icons available) and perhaps
the patterns (although it might be hard to retrieve a correct
pattern<->icon mapping).
One last thing I am missing is the ability to filter based on "Packages
for Upgrade", "Normal Packages Packages", "To be Deleted", "To be
Installed" etc. to for instance somehow be able to only list the
packages that can be upgraded to abuse this as a selective upgrade tool.
However, feeling the need for above might aswell just be the result of
opensuse-updater failing to give me any hint (even a "Details" would be
sufficient; the current only lists official updates) at which packages
it would update when I click OK.
The biggest issue are cross-vendor updates which can screw up stuff,
which might be solved with a new checkbox for preferences and enabled by
default?
I'd be willing to supply patches if that looks ok to implement.
--- Martin
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I slotted a few items in:
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy
If there are more items people care about for default config, please add
them. We'll use this to record future decisions (referencing bug
numbers, etc) so that we remember why we made these changes :-).
-JP
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It's almost a month openSUSE 10.3 was released, and having used it since
the beginning, I think it's time for some comment about the distribution
in general and on my favourite desktop environment, GNOME, in
particular. It's a bit long, but well, I hope not too boring ;-)
About the distribution, great improvements were obtained concerning boot
time and the package manager, which is now in a usable, even though not
perfect state. The new media selection made the distribution more
accessible, thanks to the 1 CD installation, and the 1 click install
significantly simplified the installation procedure. All these new
features improved the user experience a lot, left me quite impressed,
and increased the interest in the distribution thanks also to the new
communication medium represented by news.opensuse.org.
However, these very positive elements, which I think puts 10.3 at a good
distance from 10.2, are somewhat reduced in their importance but issues
caused mainly by lack of attention and care in details after the
release.
I'm mainly thinking to:
* The release of broken java packages, which are now somewhat
fixed on systems which didn't install the broken patch, leaving
others to fix it manually.
* Issues with kernel upgrades and nvidia drivers kmp's, reported
on IRC and forums by some user.
* The, in my opinion wrong, choice to prepare a kmp with the
newest ATI driver, which doesn't support older cards, without
adopting a solution as nvidia did.
About GNOME, I was initially positively impressed by GNOME in openSUSE
10.3 for various positive elements brought in this release, such as the
new updater applet and YaST-GTK which provide a better integration
between classical SUSE features and the GNOME desktop environment. These
things, together with the fresher look due to the green artwork, the
main menu and the international clock taken from SLED SP1, are great
improvements and improved the impression openSUSE 10.3 had on the
public.
However, after almost a month I use openSUSE, I think there are still
major issues, which might prevent users to use it, and should be fixed
soon. Here is some example, but a simple search in bugzilla list all of
them.
* Using GNOME after the first login/logout is annoying or
impossible because:
* The launchers in main-menu are slow or not responding at
all (The standard menu is working).
* YaST has similar issues to main-menu. Modules do not
start or start after a long delay since when clicked.
* Logout/shutdown functionalities are not working anymore
and suspend/standby buttons are grayed out.
* There are lacking dependencies for applets, like the deskbar
(Bug 328912, reported before release) or others, for which a
patch still has to come (python dependency lacks), while the
bug, reported in beta 2, is marked as fixed in bugzilla.
* Anjuta is obsolete (Provided version 1.2.4a - Available version
2.2.2), and the provided version starts up with 3 error
messages. The bug was reported in beta 2 and was fixed in
GNOME:STABLE, upgrading to 2.2.2, but a patch still has to come.
* Evolution crashes when doing common operations like selecting
contacts category (Bug 335546), has issues with Exchange (Bug
328149, found before release), and lacks of some of the most
published features of GNOME 2.20, as the backup feature (Bug
331752).
* Gedit is compiled without python support (Bug 299546), while it
has python support on other distributions (read Fedora, to cite
one).
* Bug-buddy is dumbed down, without the possibility of reporting
bugs (Bug 307860, reported in beta 2).
I think bug reporters and testers did their job during the development
stage, the bug slashing weekend and the community contribution to 10.3
were probably the biggest since the birth of the project.
As a consequence, I think some more effort to fix at least the most
annoying bugs, some more care in trying patches even with the
cooperation of the community, and a somewhat less restrictive approach
to patch releases (we are at "only security stuff" now) should be really
considered.
P.S. Sorry for the cross-post on gnome and factory :-)
With kind regards,
Alberto
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Hi, everyone!
I've been working on our wiki page that describes the bug plan for GNOME
and other desktop-ish things:
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Bugs
The meat of the page starts in the "Policy for bug triaging" section.
Before that, there are the actual links to the bug lists which we will
use in daily work --- they appear first in the page for that reason.
I think the bug policy is pretty much good to go, but of course I'd love
to hear your comments and suggestions.
Thanks,
Federico
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Yo
I have some packages that I'd like to propose for inclusion in
GNOME:Community. All of them are available in home:maw, in most cases
for 10.3 and up.
alexandria:
A book-cataloging application. Requires ruby-gnome2 and ruby-amazon
(which should make its way into the ruby project eventually), among
other things.
(NB: This package is still kind of broken, as munkii has reported on
IRC. I'm working on it.)
ruby-gnome2:
ruby bindings for GNOME.
I didn't make this package -- jkress did. I think that it should
ultimately live in either the ruby project or the GNOME:Community
project, but I'm not sure which. Thoughts? Either way, we can assume
one will link to the other.
giggle:
A gtk+ frontend for git.
jokosher:
An audio recording application.
On 10.3, it requires a questionable package: alsa-python, also available
in my project.
It also requires gstreamer010-gnolin, which is available in my project,
and should soon make its way to Factory as well.
verbiste:
A simple tool to conjugate French verbs, and find the infinitives of
already-conjugated verbs. It looks like it would be relatively simple
to extend it to conjugate verbs in other languages (at least some other
European ones), FWIW.
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Hey,
I just finished up the first version of
http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Packaging/Simple_program_package , which
documents a simple yet reasonably complete .spec file.
Comments or fixes are welcome.
BTW, I will be creating a similar page but for a GNOME library -- any
suggestions for which one to use?
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Any "awk" experts around here?
I believe I've fixed the problem, but it'd be nice to get a second
opinion on my patch (attached to the bug):
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=335445
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for getting Sabayon to work in 10.3. I have a question, is the
"details" button supposed to do something?
James
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Hello,
Would it\ is it possible to add to the "Preferred Applications" module
the choice between Brasero and Nautilus cd tools?
Shouldn't this module be used whenever there are two choices to perform
system functions?
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