[opensuse-gnome] GUADEC Report for openSUSE
As promised, interesting GUADEC tidbits.
* GNOME 3.0
-framework for getting there proposed by release team
-generally well received
-some concern about what the "cool" stuff will be
-http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnome-3-0-officially-announced...
-good summary
-current approx. schedule is spring 2010 (GNOME 2.30 == 3.0)
-ideal for a SLED 11.5 about ~18 months after SLED 11
-Federico talked to TimJ+Kris (Imendio) and Lucas+Vincent (release team)
-porting even obsolete / deprecated platform libraries to new
ABI to keep/backwards compat probable
-agreed that we don't want to pull a GNOME 2.0.
-Better sooner than later to avoid a GNOME 1->2 disaster.
-Imendio mentioned producing compiler-based tools to do
automatic porting.
* Online Desktop
-big board has improved a *lot* since last year
-connections to many more services
-ui improvements
-gconf settings sync
-favorite applications
-using slab/tile type functionality for some stuff
-seems unlikely to have full support in initial RHEL 6
-maybe in updates and RHEL 7
-many infrastructure issues to solve
-shared and/or federated servers?
-what about distros without for-profit backing?
-what about ad revenues driven through this?
-branding?
* Multimedia/UPnP-AV
-Aaron/Gabriel spoke with Zeeshan Ali about gupnp implementation
-uses libsoup/libxml2 for HTTP/SOAP
-requires a number of libraries to get the UPnP-AV spec (gssdp,
gupnp, gupnp-av, at a minimum)
-vala enters the picture if we wish to use their media server as
a starting point
-gupnp and gupnp-av will be difficult to bind do to the way they
use GObject signals (similar to GStreamer)
-very GNOMEy stack - GIO/GMainLoop integration, nice, but raises
xplat issues for Banshee at least
-looking to push gupnp into many areas of GNOME where UPnP
standards exist in the market already
-exciting, but still very young
* Multimedia/Elisa
-Elisa is maturing nicely, but also growing in terms of functionality
-Last year they wanted to be more of a front end to existing MM
platforms, this year they want to be the MM platform
* Multimedia/GStreamer
-Aaron/Gabriel worked with Win Taymans on starting port to playbin2 in
Banshee
-will provide gapless playback and other goodies in the future
* Evolution Re-Licensing
-well received, lots of support
* Conduit
-nautilus, totem, eog plugins so apps can leverage conduit
-author is not that happy with the UI for non-power users
-looking to share web services login manager with gnome online desktop
* WebKit
-webkit support heading for epiphany, yelp, gimp, pidgin, evolution
-webkit has nsplugin support
* Telepathy/Collaboration
-telepathy-glib work to enable simpler usage by clients
-cool "tube" work for files and vnc
-vnc works well
-issues around bandwidth demands for this sort of use
-voice/video working well for XMPP and SIP
-GSoC for farsight videoconferencing
-Ekiga 3.0 coming
* Sound
-pulseaudio will probably be proposed as an external dependency
-work is planned to get it well-integrated for 2.26
-with sound events through libcanberra
* Keyboard Handling
-Richard Hughes keyboard handling diagram
-http://rhughes.fedorapeople.org/linux-input-model.png
* Bluetooth
-bluez 4.x series coming
-3.x compat available at compile time in daemon
-last stuff ported in ~6 months
-Bastien N. from RedHat has partial bluetooth support for NM
* Hardware
-marco polo/shackleton projects for hardware policy
-http://guadec.expectnation.com/guadec08/public/schedule/detail/56
* Random Applications to Watch:
-PaperBox http://live.gnome.org/PaperBox
-nautilus mercurial plugins
-tweet/twitux
-gdesklets (seems to be living a bit again)
-clutter toolkit
-GeoClue/gypsy for location aware apps
-wizbit revisioning file system base on gitcore
-time machine like functionality
-JP
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JP Rosevear
Sounds awesome. Any chance there will be improved support for video editing? Kino is pretty decent but not as easy to use/effective as iMovie for Mac users. Cinelerra is too complex for general users. While I think we have some good decent video editing tools here on Linux, improving the end-user experience could greatly expand the market for new GNOME/Linux users. It seems to be an overlooked segment in Linux. Bryen On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 16:14 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
As promised, interesting GUADEC tidbits.
* GNOME 3.0 -framework for getting there proposed by release team -generally well received -some concern about what the "cool" stuff will be -http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnome-3-0-officially-announced... -good summary -current approx. schedule is spring 2010 (GNOME 2.30 == 3.0) -ideal for a SLED 11.5 about ~18 months after SLED 11 -Federico talked to TimJ+Kris (Imendio) and Lucas+Vincent (release team) -porting even obsolete / deprecated platform libraries to new ABI to keep/backwards compat probable -agreed that we don't want to pull a GNOME 2.0. -Better sooner than later to avoid a GNOME 1->2 disaster. -Imendio mentioned producing compiler-based tools to do automatic porting.
* Online Desktop -big board has improved a *lot* since last year -connections to many more services -ui improvements -gconf settings sync -favorite applications -using slab/tile type functionality for some stuff -seems unlikely to have full support in initial RHEL 6 -maybe in updates and RHEL 7 -many infrastructure issues to solve -shared and/or federated servers? -what about distros without for-profit backing? -what about ad revenues driven through this? -branding? * Multimedia/UPnP-AV -Aaron/Gabriel spoke with Zeeshan Ali about gupnp implementation -uses libsoup/libxml2 for HTTP/SOAP -requires a number of libraries to get the UPnP-AV spec (gssdp, gupnp, gupnp-av, at a minimum) -vala enters the picture if we wish to use their media server as a starting point -gupnp and gupnp-av will be difficult to bind do to the way they use GObject signals (similar to GStreamer) -very GNOMEy stack - GIO/GMainLoop integration, nice, but raises xplat issues for Banshee at least -looking to push gupnp into many areas of GNOME where UPnP standards exist in the market already -exciting, but still very young
* Multimedia/Elisa -Elisa is maturing nicely, but also growing in terms of functionality -Last year they wanted to be more of a front end to existing MM platforms, this year they want to be the MM platform
* Multimedia/GStreamer -Aaron/Gabriel worked with Win Taymans on starting port to playbin2 in Banshee -will provide gapless playback and other goodies in the future
* Evolution Re-Licensing -well received, lots of support
* Conduit -nautilus, totem, eog plugins so apps can leverage conduit -author is not that happy with the UI for non-power users -looking to share web services login manager with gnome online desktop
* WebKit -webkit support heading for epiphany, yelp, gimp, pidgin, evolution -webkit has nsplugin support
* Telepathy/Collaboration -telepathy-glib work to enable simpler usage by clients -cool "tube" work for files and vnc -vnc works well -issues around bandwidth demands for this sort of use -voice/video working well for XMPP and SIP -GSoC for farsight videoconferencing -Ekiga 3.0 coming
* Sound -pulseaudio will probably be proposed as an external dependency -work is planned to get it well-integrated for 2.26 -with sound events through libcanberra
* Keyboard Handling -Richard Hughes keyboard handling diagram -http://rhughes.fedorapeople.org/linux-input-model.png
* Bluetooth -bluez 4.x series coming -3.x compat available at compile time in daemon -last stuff ported in ~6 months -Bastien N. from RedHat has partial bluetooth support for NM
* Hardware -marco polo/shackleton projects for hardware policy -http://guadec.expectnation.com/guadec08/public/schedule/detail/56
* Random Applications to Watch: -PaperBox http://live.gnome.org/PaperBox -nautilus mercurial plugins -tweet/twitux -gdesklets (seems to be living a bit again) -clutter toolkit -GeoClue/gypsy for location aware apps -wizbit revisioning file system base on gitcore -time machine like functionality
-JP -- JP Rosevear
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:28:32 -0500
Bryen
Sounds awesome. Any chance there will be improved support for video editing? Kino is pretty decent but not as easy to use/effective as iMovie for Mac users. Cinelerra is too complex for general users.
Bryen, Have you tried Pitivi? Granted it's in Packman, but it is built on the Gstreamer stack and from the looks of things fits kind of in between Kino and Cinelerra. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: GNOME & Marketing Teams. http://opensuse.org/GNOME | http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org awafaa@opensuse.org http://www.wafaa.eu | http://www.forcev.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 23:46 +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:28:32 -0500 Bryen
wrote: Sounds awesome. Any chance there will be improved support for video editing? Kino is pretty decent but not as easy to use/effective as iMovie for Mac users. Cinelerra is too complex for general users.
Bryen,
Have you tried Pitivi? Granted it's in Packman, but it is built on the Gstreamer stack and from the looks of things fits kind of in between Kino and Cinelerra.
Regards,
Andy
I looked at it briefly and it looked pretty cool. But the problem is GETTING the videos in order to edit them. At present, only Kino with its dvgrab backend seems to be able to import HDV vides. And my experience in this matter is horrible. First I grab the video from the camera which creates it as an .m2t file. (Not readable by pitivi). A one hour tape takes one hour to copy to disk. Then in order to view the video in Kino, Kino wants to extract the raw format from the m2t file before it does anything. Okay that's another 2 hours of processing on the computer. And now I have two 10 gig files, .m2t and .dv (raw). Now, because there are no options in dvgrab --format hdv, I have to do a zoom effect to get rid of the HDV bars on top and bottom of the video. That's another 3 1/2 hour processing. So, all told, we're looking at 5-6 hours per tape before I can even start doing the "cool stuff." Go over to a Macintosh box and it is all done instantly on the fly during that first hour. (I've got 15 tapes I need to edit, so it is excruciating.) I boast that they're wasting money on their glorified Macintosh when I can do many of the same functions they're doing. But, when it takes 6 hours just to GET to that point, I'm not winning over any new customers here. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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