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[opensuse-gnome] 11.1 Feature Review
by JP Rosevear 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Ok, I've done some more clean up of the 11.1 feature ideas page: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 Its still messy and some ideas are a bit vague, but we can still have a discussion around various features. First off, packaging related things, there are a number of items that would simply require packaging: 1) gypsy (G:C) 2) viking (G:C) 3) nautilus-extensions (G:F) 4) crashbit icons (Stanislav's branding repo?) 5) gartoon icons (Stanislavs's branding repo?) 6) GNOME Online Desktop (G:F) Then there are a couple of things that just need testing: 1) Bluetooth mice 2) Bluetooth keyboard (other than pairing at gdm screen) 3) Bluetooth printing (via bluez-cups) 4) fonts.conf work 5) GDM splash screen disabling - the new one should be nicer for this And there are some policy related questions: 1) Face browser for GDM 2) Pidgin defaults And some pattern questions 1) xdg-user-dirs 2) raw-thumbnailer For individual topics where some discussion (IMHO) is needed, please comment where you feel strongly: Accessibility: 1) Would be nice to assess what (if anything) is improved/solved Desktop: 1) Panel tweaks need a yes/no 2) Gilouche window border color needs a yes/no 3) Color management, don't think we have a real hope of doing this right for 11.1, but we could make sure all apps that support color management have it enabled and shipping xicc, Mandriva might have a patch for gnome-settings-daemon 4) Clean app menu - kind of makes sense, but we'd need a list of overlap problems in a default install 5) Settings location - difficult now because sound, network, printer, bluetooth all have GNOME gui equivalents 6) For the sudo stuff, I think we need to restate this as a need to get pk-su or equivalent for PolicyKit 7) unified password manager - in general i think pidgin is our main hold out 8) Root priviliges in nautilus - this comes up a lot actually 9) baoaob/nautilus - push to 11.2 i think, its not critical 10) nautilus replace dialog issue - push to 11.2, its not critcal 11 Fix bug that is making a unnecessary extra space between notification area and volume icon. - not sure what bug this is Doorman: 1) I'd like to see this happen in general, but we have no one to work on it currently Dual Head: 1) It looks like the only item here is done, but we have a tracker bug for 11.0/11.1 Fonts.conf 1) for subpixel stuff, I think its simply a wontfix because of https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408997 GDM 1) Clutter based face browser should just be dropped or pushed to 11.2, no time really Hardware Integration 1) latency-policy is going into F10, have to figure out if we need it or not Icons 1) Switching away from tango is a no go, but getting them packaged would be fine Infrastructure - this should probably be moved elsewhere Misc 1) Not really sure what the state of Hal device icons is, needs research Multimedia 1) gstreamer codec install - sreeves and ensonic need to talk 2) Podcast creation should be punted i think, no time 3) Polish photo workflow - not really clear whats required here Online Desktop 1) is conduit enough? it does most of the service integration work for us P2P 1) should reject, its not HIG compliant and an option to minimize to tray exists Performance 1) Can be done after feature freeze? Remote Desktop 1) Anyone know of a knx equivalent? SuSE Integration 1) Would love this, need someone to work on it though Synchronization 1) Hopefully conduit gets open 2) Ifolder - need to bang on people internally UX 1) Suggest we drop this, i think GNOME Online Desktop is it for us right now -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] RFC: default configuration for pidgin
by Vincent Untz 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Hi, We discussed this on IRC, and here's a mail to try to summarize the change in the default configuration of pidgin people might want. Please comment since I'm not a pidgin user, so I can't really know what's good or not. + always visible in the notification area + never open new windows unexpectedly + no sound by default + enable log (for im & chat?) Are there some other changes we want? Also, from a packaging point of view: looking at the code, it seems we can have initial values at /etc/purple/prefs.xml. This file will be read when the user has no preferences (so only the first time pidgin is run, I guess). That's not as powerful as gconf, but I don't think we want to patch pidgin to use gconf. So we'll ship such a file in pidgin-branding-openSUSE. But I guess this means we need an empty pidgin-branding-upstream? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Customizing OpenSUSE 11 gnome live cd
by Steven Harms 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

To answer my own question, after a long time searching, its in /usr/bin/gnome which is a hacked up wrapper for gnome-session. -- GPG Key ID: C92EF367 / 1428 FE8E 1E07 DDA8 EFD7 195F DCCD F5B3 C92E F367 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Customizing OpenSUSE 11 gnome live cd
by Steven Harms 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

I am looking to create a customized gnome live cd based on OpenSUSE 11. I have the image working from a USB key, and now I am working on customizing the squashfs portion. When the live cd is fully booted, the user 'linux' has a home directory. In /home/linux/Desktop there are a few icons that appear: "Live Installer", "Online Help" and "openSUSE". These are all .desktop files. The "Online Help" and "openSUSE" icons look to be copied from /usr/share/dist/desktop-files. The "Live Installer" icon appears to be copied from /usr/share/applications/YaST2/ directory. My question is, what copies them there? I want to customize what appears on the desktop, and so far /etc/skel and /etc/profile.d don't appear to be the ones who are placing the icons. In the squashfs, the user 'linux' is already added, but /home/linux/Desktop does not exist yet, so this is created when the user logs in. Thanks, Steven Harms http://www.sharms.org/blog -- GPG Key ID: C92EF367 / 1428 FE8E 1E07 DDA8 EFD7 195F DCCD F5B3 C92E F367 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upcoming #opensuse-gnome Meeting 2008/08/21 16:00 UTC
by Rodrigo Moya 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

Hi all GNOME addicts, The next openSUSE-GNOME project meeting will take place at the official #opensuse-gnome IRC channel on freenode (irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE-gnome) on upcoming Thursday: 2008/08/21 16:00 UTC (18:00 CEST) For an overview what time this is in different timezones, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=08&year=20 08&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE-GNOME. Please review your topics on the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080821/ as soon as possible. For general info about our IRC meetings read: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About <http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About> For a general technical introduction to IRC (Internet Relay Chat) see http://www.irchelp.org/ <http://www.irchelp.org/> ;(not affiliated with openSUSE) or enter "IRC help" into your preferred search engine. The network we use is freenode - for more information on this, including how to find a server, visit http://freenode.net/ <http://freenode.net/> ; ( not affiliated with openSUSE either). Have a lot of fun .. Rodrigo Moya (on behalf of the openSUSE-GNOME team) -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Traditional menu and menu bar applet icon
by Michi 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

[Trying again after subscribing to the ML] Hi everyone. Some time ago I filed a bug to include some branding for the GNOME panel. Namely, I think it would be nice to replace the GNOME foot on the traditional GNOME menu as well as the menu bar applet with the openSUSE logo. A nice icon=B9 which would fit very well has already been done by Jimmac. The bug can be found here=B2. Vincent Untz asked me to mail to the list for some discussion about this. Cheers [1] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/wipicons/SUSE/22x22/suse.png [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D407286 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/08/14)
by Rodrigo Moya 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Helping Hands Looking for a volunteer for next week Tomorrow, presentation on Inkscape 11.0 updates There is an updated PackageKit in the updates channel. The new PK should get rid of the annoying "failed to reset..." message, it now will return all available package managment updates in one bunch and now will restart itself properly For pulseaudio, some fixes have been submitted and now accepted, and a few others, backports from 0.9.11 in FACTORY are getting submitted in the next few days General update (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412722) got rejected, so only the crticial ones will re-submit yast-gtk update is in testing Feature review No change from last week, although some updates on the ideas page as mentioned Need to figure out how to open features in fate Feature update Changes for using PulseAudio system wide should start landing soon on the BS Multiscreen stuff got some sexy look (http://www.gnome.org/~federico/misc/monitor-labels.png) working on the tray icon now, which will provide rotation commands for tables and swivel monitors For PolicyKit and main-menu there are planned updates for A2 coming out end of next week New GDM is in Factory now, and works! All issues for NM and yast are now solved, NM doesn't use yast configuration at all now Bugzilla product for action items Stalled, we need a clarity item, which is an internal tool -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Today's meeting
by suserocks＠bryen.com 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Looks like I won't be able to make it to today's meeting but wanted to mention a couple of items I was going to bring up at the meeting. 1) Helping Hands. I'm looking for a topic to present for next week's Helping Hands event. (Tmw, we have Inkscape with Jimmac). I was hoping to do F-Spot next week, but have not gotten any further on responses from those guys. If any of you know of anyone who can present on an interesting topic next week, please let me know so I can set it up. 2) Debugging scripts. Couple of months ago, we started talking in the meetings about coming up with easy to run debugging scripts and performance measurements for users in 11.1. Seems we've let that slide. I was wondering if anyone is working on this, since I've had a couple of people coming up to me lately asking if there's any movement on this. Thanks, Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upcoming #opensuse-gnome Meeting 2008/08/14 16:00 UTC
by Rodrigo Moya 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Hi all GNOME addicts, The next openSUSE-GNOME project meeting will take place at the official #opensuse-gnome IRC channel on freenode (irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE-gnome) on upcoming Thursday: 2008/08/14 16:00 UTC (18:00 CEST) For an overview what time this is in different timezones, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=08&year=20 08&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE-GNOME. Please review your topics on the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080814/ as soon as possible. For general info about our IRC meetings read: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About <http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About> For a general technical introduction to IRC (Internet Relay Chat) see http://www.irchelp.org/ <http://www.irchelp.org/> ;(not affiliated with openSUSE) or enter "IRC help" into your preferred search engine. The network we use is freenode - for more information on this, including how to find a server, visit http://freenode.net/ <http://freenode.net/> ; ( not affiliated with openSUSE either). Have a lot of fun .. Rodrigo Moya (on behalf of the openSUSE-GNOME team) -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] RFC: keeping/removing ggreeter
by Vincent Untz 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

Hi, I'd love to know what people think of ggreeter. For those who don't know, ggreeter is the window that is displayed the first time you log in. And you generally don't see it anymore. To see it again, just launch 'ggreeter' in the run dialog or a terminal. I'd love to know what people think about it: is it useful? Should we keep it? Should we remove it? My personal opinion is that we should remove it and display the relevant information in some other places (in a help menu, eg). Note that removing it also removes some "direct branding", but I wouldn't think it's an issue. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] #opensuse-gnome
by Casual J. Programmer 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

Hi jpr, can you please review the agenda for the upcoming meeting ? Also please be sure to include reponsibility and audience ( user / developer ) when adding agenda items during the meeting, as it is rather difficult for me to guess from the irc log who is responsible and what audience is intended. For the next couple of weeks I will not be able to attend the meeting online, so please send me ( or have somebody send me ) a copy of the IRC log after the meeting. Thank you, Casual -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Go Elsewhere?
by Alberto Passalacqua 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

Hello, >There is indeed an issue of anti-DE at times in #suse, there are times >when it is GNOME that gets it, sometimes it's XFCE that cops a bucket >full of buck shot. On the odd occasion I have seen KDE attract the >swarm of locusts. As people have said, this is slowly increasing; so >much so that I am copying the board and Zonker in to ensure that they >are aware of the issue, and hopefully they can advise and assist us in >how best to educate everyone. At the end of the day, I'm pretty sure >that there is a lot of things in KDE that none of us know. I agree there is some anti-GNOME behaviour in #suse, but I don't see it increasing at all. In the past, when I joined the community some years ago, it was a lot more evident. At those times it was really happening that systematically all GNOME users were instructed to use KDE. Today it's not that way anymore, even if there still is some tendency to do that. I don't think it is fair, but I think there are some reasons for that, and I will try to explain commenting the following lines. >The issue of openSUSE's GNOME release being inferior to other distros >is certainly a concern, and I think it is up to the GNOME team (both >Novell employees and community militia ;-) ) to rectify with mass >marketing. This is exactly the consideration I expected and I have heard in years of being around the GNOME team and the GNOME channel on IRC, and it is one of the reasons why I gave up in trying to do something for GNOME in openSUSE. Everything is considered a marketing problem, when it is actually, and quite evidently from a user point of view, a software quality problem. First release a state of the art GNOME, then market it. Before it's just premature and counterproductive. You are already experiencing that. I will sum up the main problems I think contributed to this situation about DE's in openSUSE: - GNOME is constantly released in a untested "beta state" in the final release of openSUSE, with evident bugs (read memory leaks, not working apps). Patches to these issues are released after long time, leaving the user with problems. This gives the sensation that the team considers openSUSE simply as a beta product to experiment with, where the last idea and the last application can be pushed, while the KDE team doesn't do that. Examples: yast-gtk, PulseAudio, package-kit, tasque, main-menu (in 10.3 it was a disaster with the memory leak, and people doesn't forget so quickly). - GNOME is bloated in openSUSE, causing major performance issues compared to other distributions (see Fedora). - Problems are patched too slowly compared to other DE's. It takes months or almost a release cycle to have (if ever) the major bugs fixed, while other distributions do this in about one month. One clear example are Fedora and Ubuntu: they released with PulseAudio in a clearly worse state than openSUSE, yet they fixed it quickly. OpenSUSE has some minor problems and are almost all still there. >I think a good spate of education for the diehard users of other DEs >would be a good start, lets try and do something fun and informative >for all of us. Education and information are useful if there is a base to build them upon. And that base has to be a quality release. I saw improvements from 10.3 to 11.0, that's evident, and I'm pleased of that. But we still are not at the level of RH/Fedora, and the reasons are not clear. The GNOME team used all the possible excuses that might justify the difference in quality between GNOME and KDE, and GNOME in openSUSE/GNOME in other distributions. It is time to stop hiding behind the excuse that SuSE was a KDE-centric distribution, and that it takes time (the typical "wait for next release and see!") to have a good GNOME implementation, because the team had a whole release cycle (10.x) to do that. It missed the opportunity because instead of preparing a solid base and then adding features simply skipped the first step, hoping to fix the problems as they come out. It doesn't work that way on the long run. Just my two cents. Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upcoming #opensuse-gnome Meeting 2008/08/07 12:00 UTC ( please check times for your location thoroughly )
by Casual J. Programmer 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

Hi all GNOME addicts, The next openSUSE-GNOME project meeting will take place at the official #opensuse-gnome IRC channel on freenode (irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE-gnome) on upcoming Thursday: 2008/08/07 12:00 UTC (14:00 CEST) For an overview what time this is in different timezones, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=07&month=08&year=20 08&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE-GNOME. Please review your topics on the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20080807 as soon as possible. For general info about our IRC meetings read: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About <http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About> For a general technical introduction to IRC (Internet Relay Chat) see http://www.irchelp.org/ <http://www.irchelp.org/> ;(not affiliated with openSUSE) or enter "IRC help" into your preferred search engine. The network we use is freenode - for more information on this, including how to find a server, visit http://freenode.net/ <http://freenode.net/> ; ( not affiliated with openSUSE either). Have a lot of fun .. Casual J. Programmer (on behalf of the openSUSE-GNOME team) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] [PATCH] gnome-settings-daemon: add apport monitoring
by Nikolay Derkach 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hi, I would like to suggest a patch that adds Apport[1] monitoring to gnome-settings-daemon. The purpose of the patch is to monitor a directory (/var/crash) for incoming Apport crash reports and run a reporting tool (apport-gtk). I implemented this functionality as a gnome-settings-daemon plugin. This patch is just a draft since it has some issues. Please help me to solve those: - I built packages with modified gnome-settings-daemon [2], but for some reason this patched daemon doesn't work as supposed. Although, I tested gsd-apport-manager with a testcase included in my patch and it worked fine. - Does GIO has something similar to inotify's CLOSE_WRITE monitor? I need GIO to handler file-closed-after-write events. As for now I ended up with G_FILE_MONITOR_EVENT_ATTRIBUTE_CHANGED but it's just not fine to lauch crash checking tool several times. - Does GTK has any out-of-the-box applet notifying methods? I need something similar to libnotify, but I don't think it's worth adding one more dependency to gsd. Hopefully I haven't missed something and I'll appreciate any feedback. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Interactive_Crash_Analysis https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport [2] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/nderkach:/branches:/home:/r… -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach

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[opensuse-gnome] go elsewhere
by Casual J. Programmer 01 Aug '08

01 Aug '08

Hi all, while I think that the discussion has elements that are partly paranoid, I feel it might be worthwhile to put the issue on one of the upcoming meetings agenda. I'd like to know what the differences in GNOME among distributions might be, and if and how these differences are perceived by the audiences. Furthermore I'd like Vuntz's opinion on the topic, as he should have a pretty good picture from his upstream background. Have a lot of fun... Casual P.S. I didn't chose openSuSE for the desktop, I decided on GNOME for the heck of it and independently found openSuSE the distribution to go with for various reasons...

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[opensuse-gnome] Mail issues
by Vincent Untz 01 Aug '08

01 Aug '08

Hi there, Just wanted to tell that several people of the team didn't receive mails of the list (and all other opensuse mailing lists) from July 24 to July 31 (approximately). Unfortunately, mails from July 24 to July 27 seems to have been removed from the queue, so we didn't receive them :/ -- at least, I didn't receive them. If there's any mail sent in this period where there was no reply, maybe you can resend it... Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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