Hey,

I can't leave a mail without a reply :-) But it's a long mail with many items, so the short summary is that we need volunteers to help push stuff (note that pushing doesn't mean doing it, but could mean convince people to do it).

Le jeudi 21 août 2008, à 15:52 +0000, JP Rosevear a écrit :

Ok, I've done some more clean up of the 11.1 feature ideas page: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1

Its still messy and some ideas are a bit vague, but we can still have a discussion around various features.

First off, packaging related things, there are a number of items that would simply require packaging:

1. gypsy (G:C)
2. viking (G:C)
3. nautilus-extensions (G:F)
4. crashbit icons (Stanislav's branding repo?)
5. gartoon icons (Stanislavs's branding repo?)
6. GNOME Online Desktop (G:F)

We need someone to do this. Easy task :-)

Then there are a couple of things that just need testing:

1. Bluetooth mice
2. Bluetooth keyboard (other than pairing at gdm screen)
3. Bluetooth printing (via bluez-cups)
4. fonts.conf work
5. GDM splash screen disabling - the new one should be nicer for this

We probably some people to be responsible for each item in this list. And developers to describe exactly what needs to be tested, and how to test it. How do we organize this work?

And there are some policy related questions:

1. Face browser for GDM

(on by default with the new gdm, and I'm not sure we can disable it)

2. Pidgin defaults

I'm supposed to send a mail about this :-)

And some pattern questions

1. xdg-user-dirs

Yes! It's transparent for the user, and provides localized special directories.

2. raw-thumbnailer

I see why we want it and don't see what could be negative about it, so +1.

For individual topics where some discussion (IMHO) is needed, please comment where you feel strongly:

Accessibility:

1. Would be nice to assess what (if anything) is improved/solved

I need to enable a11y by default, btw. It should help with testing.

Desktop:

1. Panel tweaks need a yes/no

Looking at the page, it's about theming the panel? I think it'd be nice, but we need to evaluate if it works well in all cases (eg: do all applets handle this fine, what about vertical panels, panel of different size, etc.)

2. Gilouche window border color needs a yes/no

I don't see this on the page?

3. Color management, don't think we have a real hope of doing this right

for 11.1, but we could make sure all apps that support color management have it enabled and shipping xicc, Mandriva might have a patch for gnome-settings-daemon

Nod. We need to name someone to be responsible for this :-) (where responsible doesn't mean "doing the work" but "making sure the work" will happen)

4. Clean app menu - kind of makes sense, but we'd need a list of overlap

problems in a default install

I volunteer for that.

5. Settings location - difficult now because sound, network, printer,

bluetooth all have GNOME gui equivalents 6) For the sudo stuff, I think we need to restate this as a need to get pk-su or equivalent for PolicyKit

We just need to move 100% PolicyKit ;-)

7. unified password manager - in general i think pidgin is our main hold

out

It seems we have a patch for pidgin. Maybe it's not applied, though.

8. Root priviliges in nautilus - this comes up a lot actually

Maybe we can write a small PolicyKit helper for that? Is it just to change file permissions/ownership? Need some thoughts from the UI point of view, though.

9. baoaob/nautilus - push to 11.2 i think, its not critical

Looking at the upstream bug, I agree that showing the nice baobab graph is kind of useless. Adding a small button should be easy -- we can easily do this.

10. nautilus replace dialog issue - push to 11.2, its not critcal

Nod.

11 Fix bug that is making a unnecessary extra space between notification area and volume icon. - not sure what bug this is

Same here. INVALID :-)

Doorman:

1. I'd like to see this happen in general, but we have no one to work on

it currently

Dual Head:

1. It looks like the only item here is done, but we have a tracker bug

for 11.0/11.1

This is mainly about fixing bugs now, AFAIK.

Fonts.conf

1. for subpixel stuff, I think its simply a wontfix because of

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408997

GDM

1. Clutter based face browser should just be dropped or pushed to 11.2,

no time really

Do we know if Mirco is unable to deliver this for the next Ubuntu version? Because if he does, we can just take his work. (although it'd probably not be bug-free)

Hardware Integration

1. latency-policy is going into F10, have to figure out if we need it or

not

Icons

1. Switching away from tango is a no go, but getting them packaged would

be fine

Infrastructure - this should probably be moved elsewhere

FWIW: "Write a script / web page / etc. that periodically pulls all the GNOME-related packages from other distros, and presents an easily-browsable list of the patches they have. Make this a public resource, to eat mindshare away from Launchpad." That's something I'm interested in doing.

Misc

1. Not really sure what the state of Hal device icons is, needs research

Multimedia

1. gstreamer codec install - sreeves and ensonic need to talk

+(a lot). That's important for users.

2. Podcast creation should be punted i think, no time
3. Polish photo workflow - not really clear whats required here

I'm pretty sure we have a lots of photo people here. It probably needs testing. mpt did this for Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/Photos

Online Desktop

1. is conduit enough? it does most of the service integration work for

us

Conduit is a good first step. I'm expecting something better in 11.2 since GNOME will supposedly have a good conduit integration in 2.26 (at least, that's a goal).

P2P

1. should reject, its not HIG compliant and an option to minimize to

tray exists

Agree.

Performance

1. Can be done after feature freeze?

Yep.

Remote Desktop

1. Anyone know of a knx equivalent?

We'd really want to make vinage nx-aware: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478025

SuSE Integration

1. Would love this, need someone to work on it though

That's about "Applet front end to the firewall"? What is this about exactly?

Synchronization

1. Hopefully conduit gets open
2. Ifolder - need to bang on people internally

UX

1. Suggest we drop this, i think GNOME Online Desktop is it for us right

now

Hrm. So. I'm not 100% I agree here: having an UI that is suitable for netbook would be awesome because netbook manufacturers could be interested in using it... We probably don't have manpower, though.

Vincent

On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 15:52 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

Ok, I've done some more clean up of the 11.1 feature ideas page: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1

Its still messy and some ideas are a bit vague, but we can still have a discussion around various features.

First off, packaging related things, there are a number of items that would simply require packaging:

1. gypsy (G:C)

this is half packaged in Applications:Geo repository

2. viking (G:C)

already packaged in Application:Geo

3. nautilus-extensions (G:F)

it needs a lot more love to be included, but it's already packaged (the last version I did a tar.gz for) in home:rodrigomoya. The source code is in:

git clone http://www.gnome.org/~rodrigo/git/osc-plugins.git

see the nautilus-extensions dir

Desktop:

1. Panel tweaks need a yes/no

+1 yes

6. For the sudo stuff, I think we need to restate this as a need to get

pk-su or equivalent for PolicyKit

I started experimenting with PolicyKit the other day, and ended up writing some code for a thing called AdminKit, which I was planning to include the PK code in the clock applet as well as a RunAsRoot method to replace all the *su*do things we have. If I (or someone else) have some time, it should be quite easy to have it work (doesn't work yet, didn't have time to finish, but it's almost done)

8. Root priviliges in nautilus - this comes up a lot actually

with the RunAsRoot PK thing, we could have a Nautilus extension that allows doing operations on Nautilus as root