February 2010 - openSUSE GNOME - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-gnome] Why is it not possible to include Brltty daemon to The official Opensuse repository?
by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel 02 Apr '10

02 Apr '10

Dear core developers of Opensuse, I woulod like to valuably and with highest respect ask You, why it is not possible to include Brltty daemon to The Opensuse official repository? Brltty is depend on libicui and other libraries and it is really not easy to find compatible libraries to use brltty.rpm downloaded from The official Brltty WEB site. Susbblinux screen reader, eventhough it can be downloaded from repository, it supports only Com serial port and speech-dispatcher and if visually impaired user want to constructively cooperate with Your development team, without access to The console, it is not easy. For example, setting The necessary new values by using gconf. I would like to initiate constructive discussion about including Brltty to The official Opensuse repository. I know, that console based screen readers such as Yasr, Speakup are based on speech-dispatcher to be usable with sound cart and with Espeak synthesizer. Believe me, that i do not want to intrude You, but try to imagine, that You are no sight and You want to access The Opensuse console. Not many new computers are equipped with COM serial port and braille devices, which are using COM ports will be ralely used in future. If suseblinux is now more advanced and can use for example Tieman Braille Voyager connected throught The USB port, please let me know. By the way, i tested Suseblinux and i think, that it is one of The best awailable console based screen readers for Linux in general. It is simple and can reliably read many necessary information without user need to use many complex functions, which can be inwoked by various hod keys. But i found out, that Orca and Espeak are working reliably according to The my attempts, when i executed Orca from The console. And somebody of You modified Espeak and Pulseaudio, so The speech responsiveness is approximately 50 or 60 percent better than while working with Opensuse 11.2 live CD Gnome. So please, if it is not too expensive, would i please somebody of us to try to prepare Brltty.rpm for Opensuse? Here is direct download link for downloading latest .rpm Brltty package. http://mielke.cc/brltty/releases/brltty-4.1-1.i386.rpm Source .rpm can be downloaded by using http://mielke.cc/brltty/releases/brltty-4.1-1.src.rpm Please keep in mynd, that triing to use rpm -i --nodeps .rpm Package file will not solve issues with dependencyes. I did not tried to install Brltty by this way while working with Opensuse 11.3 milestone latest version, but if YOu did not include necessary .so libraryes, on which Brltty depends on, it will probably not work. Thank You for any advice. With kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Tomboy by default?
by Magnus Boman 17 Mar '10

17 Mar '10

Hello, In the days of fast boot and all that, I was wondering if many people see the value of having tomboy added to the panel by default. I, for one, always remove it from every new install I do. Do a lot of people use it frequently enough to justify that it is added by default? Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Tomboy by default?
by Alan McGovern 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Apologies if anyone gets this twice, i think it was rejected the first time: Hey, Personally, I use tomboy a lot. I'd use it even more if only I had a working synchronisation method for my laptop and work desktop. Now for something slightly more technical ;) The simplest way to decrease startup time is to AOT the mono assemblies and also the tomboy assemblies. This will also reduce memory usage if you have multiple mono applications running at the same time (banshee + tomboy anyone?) as the AOT'ed data can be shared exactly as if it were a standard native library. If someone is interested in getting some hard figures about required startup time they could benchmark: 1) Cold start tomboy (nothing is AOTed) 2) Cold start tomboy (AOT-ing all tomboy assemblies first) 3) Cold start tomboy (AOT-ing all .NET libraries as well as tomboy libraries first) 4-6) Warm start of the above. This is likely to be pretty time-consuming as the only way I know to reliably 'cold start' an application is to reboot ;) It would also require you to put in an "Application.Quit ()" inside tomboy so that as soon as everything loads, it exits, thus allowing you to easily measure the startup time. Alan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] jhbuild of 2.30 help needed (75/238) libproxy - where to get correct jsapi.h
by David C. Rankin 26 Feb '10

26 Feb '10

Guys, I'm trying to build 2.30 on openSuSE 11.0 (latest build from openSuSE is the three year old 2.22). After a crash course on dependency resolution with jhbuild, I have made it to module 75/238 (libproxy) which relies on the mozilla xulrunner jsapi.h header. I have installed every version of mozilla mozilla-xulrunner192-devel I could (contains jsapi.h), but no help. There was no help from the user list, so it was suggested I try here. Any suggestions? The current hangup is: gcc -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"libproxy\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"libproxy\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"0.2.3\" "-DPACKAGE_STRING=\"libproxy 0.2.3\"" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"nathaniel(a)natemccallum.com\" -DPACKAGE=\"libproxy\" -DVERSION=\"0.2.3\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE__BOOL=1 -DHAVE_STDBOOL_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_MALLOC=1 -I. -I../../src/lib -DXP_UNIX -DJS_THREADSAFE -I/opt/gnome2/include/xulrunner-1.9.0.13/stable -I/opt/gnome2/include/nspr -g -std=c99 -g -O2 -DPLUGINDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/lib64/libproxy/0.2.3/plugins\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=1 -MT mozjs_la-mozjs.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/mozjs_la-mozjs.Tpo -c mozjs.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/mozjs_la-mozjs.o mozjs.c:32:19: error: jsapi.h: No such file or directory mozjs.c:35: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'dnsResolve' mozjs.c:70: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'myIpAddress' mozjs.c:83: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'JSRuntime' mozjs.c: In function 'ctxs_free': mozjs.c:92: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'ctx' mozjs.c:92: warning: implicit declaration of function 'JS_DestroyContext' mozjs.c:92: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'ctx' mozjs.c:93: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'run' mozjs.c:93: warning: implicit declaration of function 'JS_DestroyRuntime' mozjs.c:93: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'run' mozjs.c:94: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'cls' mozjs.c:94: error: 'ctxStore' has no member named 'cls' <snip> mozjs.c:185: error: 'rval' undeclared (first use in this function) mozjs.c:185: warning: passing argument 1 of 'px_strdup' makes pointer from integer without a cast make[3]: *** [mozjs_la-mozjs.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/apps/bld/gnome2/libproxy-0.2.3/src/plugins' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/apps/bld/gnome2/libproxy-0.2.3/src/plugins' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/apps/bld/gnome2/libproxy-0.2.3/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error during phase build of libproxy: ########## Error running make *** [75/238] I suspect in this situation, I don't have the correct version of xulrunner installed, but I have installed 190, 191, 192 which are all the versions available and I still get this error. I would really like to get a newer version of gnome built on my laptop. Moving to a later openSuSE release or another distro for this install is out of the question due to the fglrx driver requirements for graphics (screwed by ATI/AMD when they overnight made 'legacy' drivers out of all pre 2400 series hardware). I had openSuSE 11.2 with gnome 2.28 on it, but had to downgrade to get reasonable driver performance. I also have another drive for this laptop with Arch Linux on it (I live without the driver there). It has a current gnome on it, but my daily driver is this openSuSE 11.0 setup and will be until a new laptop is purchased. Aside from the immediate libproxy issue. If anyone knows a better way to update gnome on this box, or any secret for meeting all the jhbuild dependencies before kicking off the build, I am all ears :p Thanks for any help you can give. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Nautilus seeing all files as 'plain text' - how to fix it
by David C. Rankin 24 Feb '10

24 Feb '10

Listmates, On openSuSE 11.0 (gnome 2.20) on an x86_64 box, for some reason nautilus is seeing all files as plain text. Including, .ps .pdf .odt .jpg, etc.. The only other types it seems to know is 'folder' and 'unknown'. I haven't got a clue as to what has caused this or how I can fix it. Here is a small screenshot: (56k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/gnome/mimetypeMessedUp.jpg Any thoughts? What to check? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Gnome/Gtk-2.0 BLING! (list of surprisingly cool themes)
by David C. Rankin 24 Feb '10

24 Feb '10

Listmates, Working to sort out why gnome died on my 11.0 install, I stumbled across some absolutely killer gtk-2.0 & metacity themes that caught my eye. If you use gnome, Xfce, etc.., give them a try and I guarantee you, you will be blown away. They are available at gnome-look or Xfce-look.org sites or by googling the theme name. Here is the short list: Abstract-DarkGlow Aero-ion3.1 Black Plastic V.2 ** Blue-Joy Correcamins DarkVision DiMurrineGTK Dust (Dust Burnt, and the rest of the Dust ... themes) Elegant Aurora (and the other Elegant....) Glow Fire (Lava, Flower, Cinder ...) Harvest Industrial-Glacier (GONYX, Lighthouse, Charcoal, Zeta, ...) Moomex Nova-Blue (Gold, etc...) Overglossed Oxygen-Molecule River Shifte_Black ShinyBlack Silence ** SlicknesS-black SphereCrystal Tenebrific-BlueMods Vision Xfce-cadmium (many of the Xfce themes also have matching gtk themes) Zniavre ** (top 2 for me - the rest are a close 3rd) And the screenshot giving an example of Blue-Joy and SlicknesS-black: (86k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/gnome/gnome-bling.jpg P.S. also posted to the opensuse-gnome list due to relevance in a rare cross-post... don't get your knickers in a twist :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] can be at-spi installed from The console if Gnome is not running?
by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel 24 Feb '10

24 Feb '10

Dear core developers of Opensuse Gnome, Is there any command, which would enable me to install at-spi from The console? But while i have read Yours last answer to my question, You are very near to The latest version of Gnome, which You would probably like to incorporate to Opensuse and this version will communicate with Orca by using Dbus. I would like to kindly please You with The highest respect to Yours development team, if You would try to do Yours best to enable visually impaired users of Opensuse to use all administrative applications. Opensuse has been one of The first Linux distribution, which enabled visually impaired users of Orca to use applications with The root privileges while running Opensuse Gnome live CD and even after installation. Also Opensuse 11.2 Gnome enabled users this. What i Am appreciating very, very much on Opensuse is The fact, that there are never at-spiregistry crashes. Those random crashes are often occurring in ubuntu after terminating application such as update manager. Opensuse did never crashed by this way. But i found out one very bad think while using Opensuse 11.2 and 11.1. I observed random crashes while terminating Yast control centre after performing The Opensuse update. After pressing ALT+F4 i have received a error message related to GTK and some memory conflict. I will try to exactly reproduce The error and i will send it. But better will be to debug Opensuse 11.3 milestone 2, because new version of Gnome and other modules can eliminate this errors. Thank You for ammazing boot screen speaker, which can enable visually impaired users of Opensuse to even select their wanted language while using Opensuse boot screen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE 11.3 M2 Evolution Stack Trace
by Marco Calistri 22 Feb '10

22 Feb '10

Hi Vincent, I know, I should file a bug on bugzilla, but I am a bit tired now and my wife is complaining for my abusing on time dedicated to computer, so please find in attach the stack trace I collect for Evolution. As side comment: I had to install a lot of debuginfo package, in order to be able to launch gdb, without getting a lot of the missing packages error. Hope the file will be of some help. Cheers, Marco Calistri --- linux-oSUSE-11-3.site 2.6.33-rc7-3-default #1 SMP 2010-02-12 17:37:20 +0100 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux Gnome 2.29.90 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] All hodkeys are not working in Gnome
by Mgr. Janusz Chmiel 22 Feb '10

22 Feb '10

Dear core developers of Opensuse 2 Milestone live CD GNome, I Am very unhappy, because i would like to constructively participate in The testing Orca support in Opensuse Milestone 2 live CD Gnome, but now, all hod keys in Gnome are not working. For example, ALT+F2, ALT+F1 are not awailable. Orca is speaking initial messages and is giving me setup questions, i can answer to all Orca setup questions, but how to run Orca? I even tried to activate The console, loggin as Linux user, Then i used sudo su And i used gdm-stop To terminate all Gnome related modules. I run orca from The console and i answered to all Orca setup questions. But when i typed startx, Gnome has been started successfully but Orca did not start. I Am ready to cooperate with Your development team by testing and debugging, it seems to me, that Orca is not broken at all, but somethink with Gnome is not OK. Is there any workaround to run Orca? Eventhough i answered The Orca setup question Do YOu want to start Orca at login by answer yes, Gnome can not start this screen reader. And because hod keys are not working, it is inpossible for me to run Orca from Gnome. I used DD command to transver Opensuse milestone 2 live CD Gnome to it, thank You, that YOu are using complex techniques to prepare .iso images, which can be burned to a CD or to be stored to The USB flash disks. This technique is very good for testing milestone releases, because burning and working with CD is overburning laser heads and servo mothors, which are moving with The laser head inside CD Burner drive. Thank You for any help. Gnome is being started without issues, i do not have to even type linux and pressing enter, support for sound carts is also working very well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Some features to implement for 11.3
by Vincent Untz 11 Feb '10

11 Feb '10

Hi, Here's a list of features that I think we should try to implement for 11.3; those are mostly not-too-big tasks, so I think anybody could step up and help. This list is in no way the complete stuff. There are three categories in this list: + removing old stuff and migrating to the new "solutions" + trying to not install unneeded packages by default (that should help with the livecd size too, and so we could add more useful apps) + offering a better user experience by tweaking various small things Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-) Switch from beagle to tracker https://features.opensuse.org/307899 => Luis was working on this Empathy as default IM client https://features.opensuse.org/308281 => again :-) Can we finally just do it? archive mounter https://features.opensuse.org/308344 => really easy to implement. You can do it today, with a submission in the build service. at-spi2 by default https://features.opensuse.org/308451 => I think this is mostly implemented now, but this needs testing. Any volunteer? New notification theme https://features.opensuse.org/308457 => might be solved with the new notification-daemon release that will be out at some point: there's a new theme there (slider) that we could possibly use. Someone should investigate. Only install a recommended subset of screensavers by default https://features.opensuse.org/308474 => the hardest part is that someone needs to decide which subset to install. This doesn't require any technical knowledge. Optimize preselection of games on GNOME livecd https://features.opensuse.org/308477 => this is similar to the screensaver thing. No technical knowledge required. (Also, we can install games that are not part of gnome-games!) Drop glib/gtk/gnome 1.x stack https://features.opensuse.org/308601 => I was working on it at the beginning of January. It's nearly ready, but there are 2 or 3 packages left to handle, and help would be appreciated there. Ping me if you want to help. GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed. Remove Hal by default on opensuse 11.3 https://features.opensuse.org/308762 => I'd love to at least not have hal on the livecd I'm publishing this list here so that people who were wondering what to do can start actively working on something :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME News
by Magnus Boman 02 Feb '10

02 Feb '10

Hello, Some news about what's going on the GNOME land of openSUSE Repositories: GNOME:Contrib / GNOME:Apps ======================================== We've enabled G:C and G:A to build against GNOME:Factory (G:F). This means that those of us using G:F can now use those two repositories without getting conflicts. The new repositories will be available via [1] and [2] respectively. Repositories: GNOME:Factory =========================== G:F now contains the latest and the greatest GNOME 2.29.6. Please test and report any issues found. Repo is available at [3]. Repositories: GNOME:STABLE:2.28 =============================== G:S:28 contains all the latest updates from upstream (2.28.2). Most of these have also been pushed as an online update at [4]. They are due to be released on Monday the 1st of February and will be found at [5]. Packages: NetworkManager ======================== A new version of NetworkManager landed in G:F. This version will not be pulled in with a 'zypper dup' however, so if you want it, you need to explicitly tell it to update. We've fixed up gnome-main-menu to build against this new version and there is a pending update for tsclient as well. If there is any other breakage with this version, please let us know. Packages: accountsdialog ======================== The AccountsDialog [6] is a friendly interface to editing user information and related data, such as login options. We've packaged them for 11.2 and G:F and it can be found at [7] if you want to try it out. Note; We do not (yet?) carry any patches for GDM to enable all features of this application. We're not sure if these packages should go to G:F or G:C. Please discuss on this list where they should end up. If I missed any news, please let us know. Cheers, Magnus [1] http://widehat.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Contrib/openSUSE_Factory +GNOME_Factory/ [2] http://widehat.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/openSUSE_Factory +GNOME_Factory/ [3] http://widehat.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Factory/ [4] http://widehat.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/11.2:/Update:/Test/stand… [5] http://widehat.opensuse.org/update/11.2/ [6] http://live.gnome.org/AccountsDialog [7] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/MBoman:/GNOME:/Preview/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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