July 2011 - openSUSE Testing - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Weekly News for July 30
by Larry Finger 05 Aug '11

05 Aug '11

The Testing Core Team held an IRC meeting at 17:00 UTC, July 25 on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. Our first agenda item was for discussion of our experiences with 12.1 MS3. The test of a patched plasmoid applet that fixes at least part of Bug #702461 was reported. The new version recognized the network devices; however, it was unable to make a wireless connection. Networking with a wire-connected device was OK. Wireless worked fine on a Gnome desktop. Another member of the TCT reported putting MS3 on a laptop and not having any problems. It seems that putting the 3.0-series of kernels on 12.1 has not caused any new problems other than the difficulty with 3.0-rc6 that delayed MS3. This matches my testing of the mainline kernels. Our second agenda item concerned our upcoming Open Bugs Day to be held on August 21, 2011 from 0:00 to 23:59 UTC. This date is 10 days after the scheduled release of 12.1 MS4. The emphasis will be on testing whether bugs reported for 11.4 are still in 12.1. They will be fixed if possible, or updated to reflect the fact that they still exist. All individuals interested in making 12.1 be an exceptionally good release are welcome. As we get closer to the date, more specific instructions will be posted. As usual, we will have special on-line tools to help you select a bug for investigation. In preparation for OBD, we discussed our plans for publicizing the event, and updated the web page for the event, which is at Our next IRC meeting will be at 17:00 UTC, August 15 on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. We will discuss our experiences with MS4 and finish the planning for Open Bugs Day. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Is anyone running xfstests against btrfs?
by Greg Freemyer 28 Jul '11

28 Jul '11

All, I didn't see any openSUSE specific instructions for running xfstests, so I put together a simple wiki page: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:XFStests Is anyone running xfstests on factory for btrfs? === I just tried it for 11.4 with Kernel:Head (3.0-rc6 I think). I got 3 failed tests. But it almost looks like that's normal. ie. It looks like issues with the test infrastructure, not xfstests itself. My GSoC student is working on xfstests to add some snapshot specific tests, so it could be a local issue on our end. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Testing Core Team Planning Open Bugs Day on August 21, 2011
by Larry Finger 27 Jul '11

27 Jul '11

The Testing Core Team is planning an Open Bugs Day, to be held on August 21, 2011 from 0:00 to 23:59 UTC - 10 days after the scheduled release of 12.1 MS4. The emphasis will be on testing whether bugs reported for 11.4 are still in 12.1. They will be fixed if possible, or updated to reflect the fact that they still exist. All individuals interested in making 12.1 be an exceptionally good release are welcome. As we get closer to the date, more specific instructions will be posted. As usual, we will have special on-line tools to help you select a bug for investigation. Coordination of the bug testing will be through the TCT's IRC channel on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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packman?
by jdd 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

Hello :-) testing factory is a bit special, because there is no "update" repo, so the tools are not exactly the same as regular distro. (the update applet seems to react only to special things). But my question is about packman. I want to test most multimedia applications. But I use to have a packman repo. How do this work with factory?? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for July 23
by Larry Finger 22 Jul '11

22 Jul '11

The Testing Core Team held an IRC meeting at 17:00 UTC, July 18 on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. Our first agenda item was for discussion of our experiences with 12.1 MS3. As this release was not available at that time, our discussion was limited. Our second agenda item concerned our request to rename MS6 to Beta in hopes of increasing the number of testers in the critical late stages of testing. As reported last week, Stephan Kulow, the Release Manager, has agreed to make the name change although he doubts that it will make much difference. He also asked how we will measure the effect of this change. We then discussed what metrics we might use to test the effectiveness of the name change. Thus far, only the number of downloads and the number of bug reports have been proposed. If you have any other suggestions, please send them to me. An interesting look at the number of bugs reported against release can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/3mbrine for all versions since 11.2. The decrease in bugs against the Final makes it look as if we are doing something right. Of course, all statistics are lies! :) Our final item of discussion was planning our next Open Bugs Day, which will be held on August 21, 2011 from 0:00 to 23:59 UTC. This date is 10 days after the scheduled release of 12.1 MS4. The emphasis will be on testing whether bugs reported for 11.4 are still in 12.1. They will be fixed if possible, or updated to reflect the fact that they still exist. All individuals interested in making 12.1 be an exceptionally good release are welcome. As we get closer to the date, more specific instructions will be posted. As usual, we will have special on-line tools to help you select a bug for investigation. Our next IRC meeting will be at 17:00 UTC, July 25 on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. We will discuss our experiences with MS3, now that it has been released. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot Log
by Jürgen Radzuweit 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

Am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2011, 20:02:31 schrieben Sie: > Is there a "boot log" available after each boot up of openSUSE? > > I know there are a lot of components/scripts that run during boot time > so a unified log is probably a pipe dream, but is there anything > similar? > I got an error message during first boot up of 12.1 M3, but I couldn't > read what was wrong, so I'm trying to find out and then report it. > > Steven Sroka try to switch to a console with Alt-F[1..9] depends on the and change to /var/log there should be a file boot.msg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for July 16
by Larry Finger 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

The Testing Core Team will hold an IRC meeting at 17:00 UTC, July 18 on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing. The agenda calls for discussion of our experiences with 12.1 MS3. As this release will likely not be available until next week, our discussion may be limited. Our second agenda item will concern our request to rename MS6 to Beta in hopes of increasing the number of testers in the critical late stages of testing. Our request was posted to the opensuse-project mailing list and has been discussed on opensuse-testing and opensuse-factory. Most of the comments have been favorable, and Stephan Kulow, the Release Manager, has agreed to make the name change although he doubts that it will make much difference. Coolo also asked how we will measure the effect of this change. If you have ideas on this matter, please forward them to the TCT. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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12.1-MS3
by Bernhard M. Wiedemann 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi testers, http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en finally has Build0136/137 as 12.1-MS3 with some new and old known problems remaining: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_12.1_dev using systemd has some problems, too - - e.g. not starting xdm (not filed yet?) and not relaying the shutdown signal to a gnome or lxde session https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704800 Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4mWqUACgkQSTYLOx37oWTx3gCfXj7cr7PSR06xgwGszOlOtCLR +58AoJQSy4vY4n6OfSpxG96hOKD4uQlc =MJrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting 2011-07-18 17:00 UTC
by Holger Sickenberg 12 Jul '11

12 Jul '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the 32st openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting will be on: Monday, July 18th, 2011 at 17:00:00 UTC Please use the following link to find out what that means in your local timezone http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=7&day=18&year=20… We will meet in the Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing Please post your topics on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Testing_meeting Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk4cIYUACgkQ539IWoEy06W8RQCZAQTNu6c5jdj75APArbdf0QLU DyMAoILoA0j2FsZ9HsWAzdSwKDPhE4Hn =hf2x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Request to change MS6 to Beta
by Larry Finger 09 Jul '11

09 Jul '11

Rob OpenSuSE wrote: > On 9 July 2011 04:42, Rajko M.<rmatov101(a)charter.net> wrote: >> On Friday, July 08, 2011 01:58:02 PM Karl Eichwalder wrote: >> >>> Maybe, you can fool users with "clever" naming, but only once. It >>> is surely not worth trying. >> >> Our only problem is to try a bit harder to be as close to conventions >> as possible, ie. meaning of Alpha, Beta and RC. Users didn't quit >> attempts to use development releases in a day, it took some time of >> upside down stability to run them away. >> >> I don't know how possible is to have "normal" stability taking that >> distro has only what upstream offers and in 8 months there is a lot >> of upstream development, so loading Alpha with a new software, then >> making only minor changes during Beta and nothing, but bugfixes in >> RC, will result in final version few months behind upstream. With >> kernel, Firefox and possibly other major projects adopting rapid >> release of 3 months, that can mean quite old, possibly unmaintained >> versions shipped with release. > So rather than shipping the latest automatically, have some quality > control! I got a little behind in this thread, and will try to catch up now. There is no intent to "fool" the users. If I did not think that MS6 were fully qualified to be called a "beta", then I would not have proposed this. In fact, if it is not, then openSUSE is doomed. A reputation for releasing buggy code is impossible to shake. The scheme proposed by M. Raiko is not that different from what happens in the kernel. Anything not available by the end of the merge period has to wait for the next cycle. If openSUSE used that scheme and froze features/versions after MS2, a lot fewer bugs would make it to GM. I'm not sure that I want to go that far as we would be shipping some really old stuff. Perhaps the rolling releases of Tumbleweed will help debug many of the updates that will be in our next release. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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