December 2011 - openSUSE Testing - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Weekly News for December 17
by Larry Finger 17 Dec '11

17 Dec '11

The Testing Core Team held a meeting on Monday, December 12, 2011 at 18:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). For most of the meeting, we discussed the openSUSE 12.1 release cycle. The full transcript of the meeting is found at http://tinyurl.com/cnog4af, but we agreed that too many bugs make it into the released version. Our discussion centered around two main points. 1. Many people do not start testing until RC1 or RC2 are released; however, by then there is too little time for the bugs to be fixed. For 12.1, this problem was worse due to the late release of some of the milestones, which made the RC cycle shorter than it usually will be. 2. Not all testers actually file bug reports. The cause may be that they find the whole process to be too difficult, or they do not think it is worth the effort. Perhaps the time between bug filing and the assignment is too long. We also discussed the art work for a new release. It is common for the final version of the graphics to become ready late in the cycle, which means that for much of the testing, it is impossible to distinguish at a glance what version is running. If anyone has any suggestions on how we can get more testers involved at an earlier stage, or any other ideas on how testing can be improved, please send them to us. Remember, it is only about a month until 12.2 MS1 is released. As it is likely that SystemV will disappear in 12.2, it is critical that your systemd issues be resolved before August when the final version of 12.2 is released. A testing version of systemd (37-317.1 from OBS) has fixed my one system that failed to boot with systemd. The next meeting of the TCT will be on Monday, January 16, 2012 at 18:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-testing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Systemd and fstab
by Per Jessen 15 Dec '11

15 Dec '11

Lars Müller wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 07:24:08PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: >> Lars Müller wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:04:01AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> >> Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> >> >It will, the issues that came up now are getting fixed. Seems not >> >> >enough people tested it before the release in earnest ;-( >> >> >> >> When you make a significant change, such as this, you'd better do >> >> a *LOT* of testing before inflicting it on innocent users. >> > >> > Yes, you as the community have to test more and better. It's a >> > shame how bad you performed as part of the openSUSE 12.1 release >> > process. ;) >> >> How about we delay a release until it's been properly tested? > > Then we'll not see any further release. Probably quite true, but also a pretty damning statement about the state of our community. If the community is responsible for the testing, and doesn't fullfil that task, we will have poor quality releases for as long as we have changes. Therefore, if we want more testing and better quality releases, we have to improve the community's involvement. I think we do that by showing how much the community means. <soapbox> If we were to make releases dependent on the amount of testing done by the community, we would show exactly how much we value the community. </soapbox> > What would be the benefit of additional three months? Three further > months the same people would test it while the same other gang waits > for the final release. Yes, quite likely the initial state of things, but OTOH, if it is clear to everyone that a test-scenario, for instance "postfix", is delaying release because it is short of a few tests, it might just inspire more testers. > If you see real steps beyond a general delay of some weeks or months > how to drive this better I'm sure all are happy to enhance the > process. See above. I have made similar proposals before, but noone is really interested in discussing the lack of organisation of our QA process. A general delay is unavoidable certainly to begin with, but what is the hurry? None of the "I just can't wait" people have to wait for the release, there is always factory and snapshots. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-testing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting 2011-12-12 18:00 UTC
by Holger Sickenberg 12 Dec '11

12 Dec '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the 41st openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting will be on: Monday, December 12th, 2011 at 18:00:00 UTC Please use the following link to find out what that means in your local timezone http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&day=12&year=2… We will meet in the Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing Please post your topics on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Testing_meeting Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk7WEgEACgkQ539IWoEy06W58gCfQG2UjDsDaovovp6YaiKuaoJj N/sAn0DSB+l7fAgzsBGG3omTLYEBF2lQ =m+L9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-testing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for November 12
by Larry Finger 09 Dec '11

09 Dec '11

The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be Monday, December 12, 2011 at 18:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). At this meeting, we will be discussing the openSUSE 12.1 release cycle and analyzing what went well, what could have been improved, etc. If you have any thing to contribute to this discussion, please join us. Remember, this is a community distro. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-testing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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SweetHome
by A C 04 Dec '11

04 Dec '11

Hi List With version OpenSuse 11.4 I've been working with the program SweetHome ( http://www.sweethome3d.com/ ), but now with version 12.1 the program does not work. I do not know if it's a java problem or execute permissions. Has anyone tried it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-testing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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