September 2011 - openSUSE Testing - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Fwd: [opensuse-project] ANNOUNCE: I call it a beta
by Bernhard M. Wiedemann 30 Sep '11

30 Sep '11

Hi testers, 12.1-Beta is approaching (as Factory Build0315). Tests on openQA.o.o showed most things OK. Worst are maybe observed LiveCD/LiveUSB hangups on heavy writing (e.g. installing rpms) which might be a clicfs bug. And on my desktop firefox&thunderbird work, but complain about missing dbus, even though I see two dbus-daemon processes running. Ciao Bernhard M. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [opensuse-project] ANNOUNCE: I call it a beta Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:22:53 +0200 From: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)suse.de> To: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Hi, We had a short go/no-go meeting on #opensuse-factory and decided that the fuser problem may be the cause of all evil and now that it's gone, we can go forward and release beta1. We even managed to get most of the artwork updated in the days slippage. If you come around it, I will upload build315 to the mirrors tomorrow morning. When to announce publically I leave to the marketing guys, I'll be mainly off the internet till tuesday as monday is public holiday for me and I'm told publishing news on friday is bad - but I'll make sure the ISOs are available for interested testers. I hope that's ok for the team. Now the interesting question is what about the RC1. We didn't really loose time in development as we checked in almost everything that came in during the time we waited for the fixes - this includes e.g. kernel 3.1rc7. But we can't hold the schedule as it is - the original deadline for RC1 checkins is october 7th - that's around 4 days after public announcment of the beta and even before the pizza party. With the new factory work flow we have some more flexibility in terms of checkin deadlines, so let's make use of that. My proposal would be: Move RC1 from October 13th to 21st for release date - checkin deadline would be 18th. Move RC2 from October 27th to November 3th - checkin deadline would be October 28th (November 1st and the monday in front are blackout in Nuremberg and we rely too much on Nuremberg to move the date where it's perfect ;( ) Move Final release from November 11th (who set that date anyway? :) to November 16th. GM would be on 11th. Note, that I don't want to move the final date too much and if we all agree to some discipline, RC2 will already be perfect and we only apply some polishing up to GM. I know that shuffles our usual weekdays for release a bit and I'm pretty sure I made some mistakes in my proposal, so please feel free to give ideas of yours. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for September 24 (Revised)
by Larry Finger 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 26, 2011 at 17:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party. As 12.1 is not yet in a condition deemed worthy of being called a Beta, it has not been released; however, a rolling update from the Factory repos has my main system working quite well. I no longer have any problems with systemd and the KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet is now working. It asks for authentication a bit too frequently - I do not think the permissions are right yet, but the applet does not crash, and it is possible to connect reliably to my wireless network. Of great interest to kernel developers, the community has been able to keep working at getting kernel 3.1 in condition for its release, and getting ready for the merge of 3.2, even though kernel.org, the main site for development, has been down while the site recovers from a penetration incident. If kernel development were not using git, a distributed version control system, the impact would have been much worse. I am amazed that when the main server went down for an extended period, the work barely paused. Kudos to github.com and infradead.org for providing server space for the two repositories that I use regularly. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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A modest proposal: Make nomodeset the default for distributions
by Larry Finger 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

Although the KMS video drivers have improved a lot, there are still a lot of nVidia adapters for which nouveau fails to provide any useful graphics screens. For new users, the failure to boot to a meaningful display is frustrating. The problem used to affect only persons that had implemented the proprietary closed-source drivers, and their graphics failed when the kernel changed. They could be warned in advance because a lot of them came to the forums for help in getting the propriety driver installed. With KMS, people are having trouble with their initial look at an openSUSE version. I expect many decide that openSUSE is flawed and move on to other distros. I propose two fixes/workarounds: (1) Make the GRUB option "nomodeset" be the default for all installation media. There will be very little impact on the NET install CD or the DVD install disks. The lower graphics performance for the Live CDs will be a small penalty to pay for the benefit of getting a great many more systems to boot. If the "nomodeset" appears after the "VGA=" on the GRUB options line, it will be easy to advise people to try removing it when booting. They will quickly learn if they need it or not. (2) In the installation process for GRUB, detect the presence of an nVidia adapter and pop-up a screen advising the user that the installed system may need the nomodeset option in order to boot. I single out nVidia because nouveau seems to handle many fewer models than the KMS drivers for the others. I don't have any ATI adapters, and the one i915 system I have boots without trouble. One of my nVidia-equipped systems boots to a blank screen with nouveau, and the other corrupts the alternate terminals. I have no doubt that the KMS developers will have drivers that handle nearly all adapters in the near future. As someone having experience with reverse engineering, I'm really impressed with the progress, but kernels 3.0 and 3.1 still need some work. As we can help our users get a more satisfactory experience with quite small changes, I think we should do so. Thanks, Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for September 24
by Larry Finger 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 25, 2011 at 17:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party. As 12.1 is not yet in a condition deemed worthy of being called a Beta, it has not been released; however, a rolling update from the Factory repos has my main system working quite well. I no longer have any problems with systemd and the KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet is now working. It asks for authentication a bit too frequently - I do not think the permissions are right yet, but the applet does not crash, and it is possible to connect reliably to my wireless network. Of great interest to kernel developers, the community has been able to keep working at getting kernel 3.1 in condition for its release, and getting ready for the merge of 3.2, even though kernel.org, the main site for development, has been down while the site recovers from a penetration incident. If kernel development were not using git, a distributed version control system, the impact would have been much worse. I am amazed that when the main server went down for an extended period, the work barely paused. Kudos to github.com and infradead.org for providing server space for the two repositories that I use regularly. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting 2011-09-26 17:00 UTC
by Holger Sickenberg 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, the 36th openSUSE Testing Core Team IRC Meeting will be on: Monday, September 26th, 2011 at 17:00:00 UTC Please use the following link to find out what that means in your local timezone http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=9&day=26&year=20… We will meet in the Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network. irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing Please post your topics on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Testing_meeting Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk58kzwACgkQ539IWoEy06UXrQCfavKbsdc6UX70qtBfYjjbY7lD 8f4AmQGoiZupT3ZX58I2K7TkDQ4AT5wL =DT2I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: openQA starts testing Tumbleweed and zypper dup
by Bernhard M. Wiedemann 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2011 09:12 PM, Manu Gupta wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Kim Leyendecker > <kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de> wrote: ... >> Jos, Bernhard, Manu, list(s)! > Bernhard is the author Kim :D so you got one I guess. >> >> You collected some stuff? Really nice to hear! Could one of you >> pass me a list of the key people behind openQA? If there were so >> much stuff about it, it shouldn´t lack of an interview for People >> of openSUSE, right? ;-) >> >> So, it would be nice to have one or two (it´s also time, because >> I want to see the People of openSUSE section back in the Weekly >> News soon :D ) >> > Hey Kim, Bernhard already had an interview with henne, I guess > that style would be one suited for this major release but that is > my opinion. Bernhard can you please point out the link sorry I miss > placed it. The old interview is at http://news.opensuse.org/2010/09/22/osc2010-sneak-peaks-%E2%80%93-bernhard-… Of course, that was before I made the web-frontend and before the SUSE-sponsored dedicated testing machine came online (2010-10-22) as http://openQA.opensuse.org/ . ... and the many other improvements mentioned in the recent "One Year of openQA.o.o" talk http://openqa.opensuse.org/opensuse/doc/openqa-osc2011.odp As for Authors, you can see in the git history, that besides commits from me, there are also 18 commits from Dominik Heidler (dheidler@suse) who did several really great and amazing additions (but might be unavailable until October). Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk54ZFUACgkQSTYLOx37oWRqMACgnmSTLQsbJzy1jGnfYHajCuUN q7EAoMUv/D4SuUMCkKg/thZhehfpXKNd =kZv3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-testing] 12.1 M5 Gnome 3
by Terje J. Hanssen 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hi testers, I've installed 12.1 Gnome 3.1.4 on two different hardware, one workstation based on Asus M4A89 GTD w/AMD3/890GX graphic and one mobile workstation hp8710w based on Intel T9500/nVidia Quadro FX 3600M respectively. Both machines have been successful running several openSUSE/SLED generations, up to the latest 11.4 Tumbleweed Kernel 3.0.0.4-43 desktop and Gnome 2.32.1 included. One thing is 'nomodeset' that had to be set to boot 12.1 desktop on Asus, and even to be able to run the installation program on hp8710w. The 'real issue' is that Gnome 3 (Clutter) wont't start on any machine, but escapes to fallback mode, which of course isn't of much interest. As this has happened for me now on two quite different hardware configurations, I'm interested to hear if someone else has tried and succeeded to get this Gnome 3/Clutter version running on 12.1? Rgds, Terje J. Hanssen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: openQA starts testing Tumbleweed and zypper dup
by Kim Leyendecker 19 Sep '11

19 Sep '11

Am 19.09.2011 20:12, schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > On 19.09.2011 Bernhard wrote: >> Hi, >> >> last weekend I did a series of updates for OS-autoinst (the >> test-engine powering the http://openQA.opensuse.org/ service) that >> added fully automated testing of the latest >> openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing repo version. >> >> See >> http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=Tumbleweed >> For now, tests are scheduled to run daily for my two prepared 11.4 >> base images (gnome32 and kde64). >> Of course, someone or something will have to check the results >> regularly for them to be useful. >> >> >> Additionally, live distribution upgrades with zypper dup from 11.4 to >> Factory are tested as well now. This should make bugs like bnc#677425 >> (zypper dup removing liblzma) a lot harder to slip through. >> Results: >> http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=zdup >> >> >> The OS-autoinst code went into >> https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/os-autoinst >> >> and the slightly ugly frontend/scheduler change is in >> https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/opensuse/commit/2d6d1fc09ba4fcda0a4 >> a0bb0769bfaff44f021c7 >> >> With some added HowTo and polishing for OS-autoinst, it should soon >> be in shape for the 1.0 tag. > > Awesomeness. As some might know, the news/marketing team would like to > give openQA some extra attention, and we will do that with the > announcement of openQA 1.0 in a few weeks. So I guess this should be > part of that announcement... > > Manu Gupta has prepared most of the promo for openQA already, including > announcement, articles and other stuff. > > On that note, Manu, could you mail me the etherpad link you put the > already written articles in? > > Cheers, > Jos > >> >> Ciao >> Bernhard M. > > Jos, Bernhard, Manu, list(s)! You collected some stuff? Really nice to hear! Could one of you pass me a list of the key people behind openQA? If there were so much stuff about it, it shouldn´t lack of an interview for People of openSUSE, right? ;-) So, it would be nice to have one or two (it´s also time, because I want to see the People of openSUSE section back in the Weekly News soon :D ) thanks in advance, Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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openQA starts testing Tumbleweed and zypper dup
by Bernhard M. Wiedemann 19 Sep '11

19 Sep '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, last weekend I did a series of updates for OS-autoinst (the test-engine powering the http://openQA.opensuse.org/ service) that added fully automated testing of the latest openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing repo version. See http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=Tumbleweed For now, tests are scheduled to run daily for my two prepared 11.4 base images (gnome32 and kde64). Of course, someone or something will have to check the results regularly for them to be useful. Additionally, live distribution upgrades with zypper dup from 11.4 to Factory are tested as well now. This should make bugs like bnc#677425 (zypper dup removing liblzma) a lot harder to slip through. Results: http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=zdup The OS-autoinst code went into https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/os-autoinst and the slightly ugly frontend/scheduler change is in https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/opensuse/commit/2d6d1fc09ba4fcda0a4a0bb07… With some added HowTo and polishing for OS-autoinst, it should soon be in shape for the 1.0 tag. Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53YN8ACgkQSTYLOx37oWRt0ACff7gI2/8MYkNyzaoJy39D/7b3 vPUAoMws+fSDX+Xw48Q6r7J2ZSC3mzvP =ZJjS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for September 17
by Larry Finger 17 Sep '11

17 Sep '11

The Testing Core Team met at 17:00 UTC, September 12. Our meeting was not too long as most of the participants were at openSUSE Conference 2011. We first discussed our experiences with 12.1 MS5. I reported that I was having problems with the KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet, and with systemd. As it turned out, I was downloading a 1751-package upgrade during the meeting, and those upgrades fixed most of the problems with NetworkManager. In addition, a subsequent upgrade has fixed my systemd problems. Our next topic of discussion was oSC 2011. There were back-to-back BoF sessions on testing, one conducted by Bernhard Wiedermann of the TCT, and the second organized by Jiri Slaby of SuSE. Bernhard also had a talk on "One Year of openqa.opensuse.org". The conference also included a talk on kernel testing, more indication of the need for automated testing of systems that get more and more complicated. We next discussed Open Bugs Day No. 3. The possible explanations for the low participation ranges from "looking at old bugs is not very exciting" to "it was a nice summer day in Germany". Whatever the cause, I hope we get a better turnout when we have an OBD for the bugs in 12.1. We then discussed the areas in 12.1 that have the greatest likelihood of causing problems for openSUSE users. As systemd will be the default in 12.1, it needs to be tested on as many of our platforms as possible. We also expect further problems with the KMS video drivers, particularly nouveau for the nVidia adapters. To help users, we proposed that "nomodeset" be a standard feature of the installation media on the Factory ML. There was some reluctance, but it is likely that a failsafe option will be added to the GRUB menus on the media. The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 25, 2011 at 17:00 UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network (irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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