Hi testers,
12.1-Beta is approaching (as Factory Build0315).
Tests on openQA.o.o showed most things OK.
Worst are maybe observed LiveCD/LiveUSB hangups on heavy writing (e.g.
installing rpms) which might be a clicfs bug.
And on my desktop firefox&thunderbird work, but complain about missing
dbus, even though I see two dbus-daemon processes running.
Ciao
Bernhard M.
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Subject: [opensuse-project] ANNOUNCE: I call it a beta
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:22:53 +0200
From: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)suse.de>
To: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Hi,
We had a short go/no-go meeting on #opensuse-factory and decided
that the fuser problem may be the cause of all evil and now that it's gone,
we can go forward and release beta1.
We even managed to get most of the artwork updated in the days slippage.
If you come around it, I will upload build315 to the mirrors tomorrow
morning.
When to announce publically I leave to the marketing guys, I'll be mainly
off the internet till tuesday as monday is public holiday for me and I'm
told
publishing news on friday is bad - but I'll make sure the ISOs are
available
for interested testers. I hope that's ok for the team.
Now the interesting question is what about the RC1. We didn't really loose
time in development as we checked in almost everything that came in during
the time we waited for the fixes - this includes e.g. kernel 3.1rc7. But we
can't hold the schedule as it is - the original deadline for RC1 checkins is
october 7th - that's around 4 days after public announcment of the beta
and even before the pizza party.
With the new factory work flow we have some more flexibility in terms of
checkin deadlines, so let's make use of that. My proposal would be:
Move RC1 from October 13th to 21st for release date - checkin deadline
would be 18th.
Move RC2 from October 27th to November 3th - checkin deadline would be
October 28th (November 1st and the monday in front are blackout in Nuremberg
and we rely too much on Nuremberg to move the date where it's perfect ;( )
Move Final release from November 11th (who set that date anyway? :) to
November 16th. GM would be on 11th.
Note, that I don't want to move the final date too much and if we all
agree to
some discipline, RC2 will already be perfect and we only apply some
polishing
up to GM. I know that shuffles our usual weekdays for release a bit and I'm
pretty sure I made some mistakes in my proposal, so please feel free to
give ideas of yours.
Greetings, Stephan
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The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 26, 2011 at 17:00
UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network
(irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our
experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party.
As 12.1 is not yet in a condition deemed worthy of being called a Beta, it has
not been released; however, a rolling update from the Factory repos has my main
system working quite well. I no longer have any problems with systemd and the
KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet is now working. It asks for authentication a
bit too frequently - I do not think the permissions are right yet, but the
applet does not crash, and it is possible to connect reliably to my wireless
network.
Of great interest to kernel developers, the community has been able to keep
working at getting kernel 3.1 in condition for its release, and getting ready
for the merge of 3.2, even though kernel.org, the main site for development, has
been down while the site recovers from a penetration incident. If kernel
development were not using git, a distributed version control system, the impact
would have been much worse. I am amazed that when the main server went down for
an extended period, the work barely paused. Kudos to github.com and
infradead.org for providing server space for the two repositories that I use
regularly.
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Although the KMS video drivers have improved a lot, there are still a lot of
nVidia adapters for which nouveau fails to provide any useful graphics screens.
For new users, the failure to boot to a meaningful display is frustrating. The
problem used to affect only persons that had implemented the proprietary
closed-source drivers, and their graphics failed when the kernel changed. They
could be warned in advance because a lot of them came to the forums for help in
getting the propriety driver installed. With KMS, people are having trouble with
their initial look at an openSUSE version. I expect many decide that openSUSE is
flawed and move on to other distros.
I propose two fixes/workarounds:
(1) Make the GRUB option "nomodeset" be the default for all installation media.
There will be very little impact on the NET install CD or the DVD install disks.
The lower graphics performance for the Live CDs will be a small penalty to pay
for the benefit of getting a great many more systems to boot. If the "nomodeset"
appears after the "VGA=" on the GRUB options line, it will be easy to advise
people to try removing it when booting. They will quickly learn if they need it
or not.
(2) In the installation process for GRUB, detect the presence of an nVidia
adapter and pop-up a screen advising the user that the installed system may need
the nomodeset option in order to boot. I single out nVidia because nouveau seems
to handle many fewer models than the KMS drivers for the others. I don't have
any ATI adapters, and the one i915 system I have boots without trouble. One of
my nVidia-equipped systems boots to a blank screen with nouveau, and the other
corrupts the alternate terminals.
I have no doubt that the KMS developers will have drivers that handle nearly all
adapters in the near future. As someone having experience with reverse
engineering, I'm really impressed with the progress, but kernels 3.0 and 3.1
still need some work. As we can help our users get a more satisfactory
experience with quite small changes, I think we should do so.
Thanks,
Larry
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The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 25, 2011 at 17:00
UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network
(irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our
experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party.
As 12.1 is not yet in a condition deemed worthy of being called a Beta, it has
not been released; however, a rolling update from the Factory repos has my main
system working quite well. I no longer have any problems with systemd and the
KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet is now working. It asks for authentication a
bit too frequently - I do not think the permissions are right yet, but the
applet does not crash, and it is possible to connect reliably to my wireless
network.
Of great interest to kernel developers, the community has been able to keep
working at getting kernel 3.1 in condition for its release, and getting ready
for the merge of 3.2, even though kernel.org, the main site for development, has
been down while the site recovers from a penetration incident. If kernel
development were not using git, a distributed version control system, the impact
would have been much worse. I am amazed that when the main server went down for
an extended period, the work barely paused. Kudos to github.com and
infradead.org for providing server space for the two repositories that I use
regularly.
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On 09/19/2011 09:12 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Kim Leyendecker
> <kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de> wrote:
...
>> Jos, Bernhard, Manu, list(s)!
> Bernhard is the author Kim :D so you got one I guess.
>>
>> You collected some stuff? Really nice to hear! Could one of you
>> pass me a list of the key people behind openQA? If there were so
>> much stuff about it, it shouldn´t lack of an interview for People
>> of openSUSE, right? ;-)
>>
>> So, it would be nice to have one or two (it´s also time, because
>> I want to see the People of openSUSE section back in the Weekly
>> News soon :D )
>>
> Hey Kim, Bernhard already had an interview with henne, I guess
> that style would be one suited for this major release but that is
> my opinion. Bernhard can you please point out the link sorry I miss
> placed it.
The old interview is at
http://news.opensuse.org/2010/09/22/osc2010-sneak-peaks-%E2%80%93-bernhard-…
Of course, that was before I made the web-frontend and before the
SUSE-sponsored dedicated testing machine came online (2010-10-22)
as http://openQA.opensuse.org/ .
... and the many other improvements mentioned in the recent "One Year
of openQA.o.o" talk
http://openqa.opensuse.org/opensuse/doc/openqa-osc2011.odp
As for Authors, you can see in the git history, that besides commits
from me, there are also 18 commits from Dominik Heidler
(dheidler@suse) who did several really great and amazing additions
(but might be unavailable until October).
Ciao
Bernhard M.
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Hi testers,
I've installed 12.1 Gnome 3.1.4 on two different hardware, one
workstation based on Asus M4A89 GTD w/AMD3/890GX graphic and one mobile
workstation hp8710w based on Intel T9500/nVidia Quadro FX 3600M
respectively.
Both machines have been successful running several openSUSE/SLED
generations, up to the latest 11.4 Tumbleweed Kernel 3.0.0.4-43 desktop
and Gnome 2.32.1 included.
One thing is 'nomodeset' that had to be set to boot 12.1 desktop on
Asus, and even to be able to run the installation program on hp8710w.
The 'real issue' is that Gnome 3 (Clutter) wont't start on any machine,
but escapes to fallback mode, which of course isn't of much interest.
As this has happened for me now on two quite different hardware
configurations, I'm interested to hear if someone else has tried and
succeeded to get this Gnome 3/Clutter version running on 12.1?
Rgds,
Terje J. Hanssen
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Am 19.09.2011 20:12, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> On 19.09.2011 Bernhard wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> last weekend I did a series of updates for OS-autoinst (the
>> test-engine powering the http://openQA.opensuse.org/ service) that
>> added fully automated testing of the latest
>> openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing repo version.
>>
>> See
>> http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=Tumbleweed
>> For now, tests are scheduled to run daily for my two prepared 11.4
>> base images (gnome32 and kde64).
>> Of course, someone or something will have to check the results
>> regularly for them to be useful.
>>
>>
>> Additionally, live distribution upgrades with zypper dup from 11.4 to
>> Factory are tested as well now. This should make bugs like bnc#677425
>> (zypper dup removing liblzma) a lot harder to slip through.
>> Results:
>> http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=zdup
>>
>>
>> The OS-autoinst code went into
>> https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/os-autoinst
>>
>> and the slightly ugly frontend/scheduler change is in
>> https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/opensuse/commit/2d6d1fc09ba4fcda0a4
>> a0bb0769bfaff44f021c7
>>
>> With some added HowTo and polishing for OS-autoinst, it should soon
>> be in shape for the 1.0 tag.
>
> Awesomeness. As some might know, the news/marketing team would like to
> give openQA some extra attention, and we will do that with the
> announcement of openQA 1.0 in a few weeks. So I guess this should be
> part of that announcement...
>
> Manu Gupta has prepared most of the promo for openQA already, including
> announcement, articles and other stuff.
>
> On that note, Manu, could you mail me the etherpad link you put the
> already written articles in?
>
> Cheers,
> Jos
>
>>
>> Ciao
>> Bernhard M.
>
>
Jos, Bernhard, Manu, list(s)!
You collected some stuff? Really nice to hear! Could one of you pass me
a list of the key people behind openQA? If there were so much stuff
about it, it shouldn´t lack of an interview for People of openSUSE,
right? ;-)
So, it would be nice to have one or two (it´s also time, because I want
to see the People of openSUSE section back in the Weekly News soon :D )
thanks in advance,
Kim
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Hi,
last weekend I did a series of updates for OS-autoinst (the
test-engine powering the http://openQA.opensuse.org/ service) that
added fully automated testing of the latest
openSUSE:Tumbleweed:Testing repo version.
See
http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=Tumbleweed
For now, tests are scheduled to run daily for my two prepared 11.4
base images (gnome32 and kde64).
Of course, someone or something will have to check the results
regularly for them to be useful.
Additionally, live distribution upgrades with zypper dup from 11.4 to
Factory are tested as well now. This should make bugs like bnc#677425
(zypper dup removing liblzma) a lot harder to slip through.
Results:
http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?match=zdup
The OS-autoinst code went into
https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/os-autoinst
and the slightly ugly frontend/scheduler change is in
https://gitorious.org/os-autoinst/opensuse/commit/2d6d1fc09ba4fcda0a4a0bb07…
With some added HowTo and polishing for OS-autoinst, it should soon be
in shape for the 1.0 tag.
Ciao
Bernhard M.
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The Testing Core Team met at 17:00 UTC, September 12. Our meeting was not too
long as most of the participants were at openSUSE Conference 2011.
We first discussed our experiences with 12.1 MS5. I reported that I was having
problems with the KDE plasmoid NetworkManager applet, and with systemd. As it
turned out, I was downloading a 1751-package upgrade during the meeting, and
those upgrades fixed most of the problems with NetworkManager. In addition, a
subsequent upgrade has fixed my systemd problems.
Our next topic of discussion was oSC 2011. There were back-to-back BoF sessions
on testing, one conducted by Bernhard Wiedermann of the TCT, and the second
organized by Jiri Slaby of SuSE. Bernhard also had a talk on "One Year of
openqa.opensuse.org". The conference also included a talk on kernel testing,
more indication of the need for automated testing of systems that get more and
more complicated.
We next discussed Open Bugs Day No. 3. The possible explanations for the low
participation ranges from "looking at old bugs is not very exciting" to "it was
a nice summer day in Germany". Whatever the cause, I hope we get a better
turnout when we have an OBD for the bugs in 12.1.
We then discussed the areas in 12.1 that have the greatest likelihood of causing
problems for openSUSE users. As systemd will be the default in 12.1, it needs to
be tested on as many of our platforms as possible. We also expect further
problems with the KMS video drivers, particularly nouveau for the nVidia
adapters. To help users, we proposed that "nomodeset" be a standard feature of
the installation media on the Factory ML. There was some reluctance, but it is
likely that a failsafe option will be added to the GRUB menus on the media.
The next meeting of the Testing Core Team will be September 25, 2011 at 17:00
UTC on Channel #opensuse-testing on the Freenode IRC Network
(irc://irc.freenode.net/opensuse-testing). Our preliminary agenda includes our
experiences with 12.1 Beta, and a discussion of the Beta Pizza Party.
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