July 2011 - openSUSE Testing - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Wiki Update
by Jürgen Radzuweit 09 Jul '11

09 Jul '11

Hi All, I have renovated the testing wiki pages, please have a look and report any errors. Regards Jürgen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Request to change MS6 to Beta
by Larry Finger 07 Jul '11

07 Jul '11

On 07/07/2011 02:16 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote: > > Since you're a kernel guy, do you happen to know what the status of > btrfs is likely to be in 12.1 This kernel guy only knows what is going on in wireless, but you got that info from GregKH, who is much more a kernel cosmopolitan than I. > > I just did some testing with a month old Tumbleweed 2.6.38 kernel and > btrfs has locked in mount in my early testing, so that doesn't look so > good, but 2.6.39 and 3.0.0 could be much better. Many patches are too invasive to be back ported to a stable release. For that reason, you should see improvements with 2.6.39 and 3.0 (note 2 digit representation). > btw: what is the name of the post 3.0.0 kernel going to be? 3.0.1? As you have been told, 3.0.1 will be the equivalent of 2.6.39.1, i.e. the first update to the stable release of 3.0, and 3.1 will be the next one after 3.0. Of course, the holder of the Linux trademark is free to change his mind at any time. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Request to change MS6 to Beta
by Larry Finger 07 Jul '11

07 Jul '11

On 07/07/2011 11:11 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > For what it's worth, I think it is a good idea. Moreover, I offer to try and > write up something 'better' for the Beta, provided I get some help from this > and other lists. The marketeers (incl myself) need more info on what is > new/improved/changed! If we have that, we can write a better announcement with > more chance to get it out in the press, on lwn.net etc etc. > > If we only have what for example was mentioned in the last Milestone article, > it's not very likely to be picked up by press, that's how it works - they need > something to write about :D > > So if we get some info on what's new and improved, we can introduce the Beta > with a bit more of a 'kick', including giving our press a heads-up so we get a > good number of articles on news sites and subsequently a bit more testing. Jos, Your comments are very good. Getting the news about a beta and its "features" out to the press and the public should help get better test coverage, and the news will be good as long as we don't release with any show stoppers. Please let the TCT know of anything you need. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Request to change MS6 to Beta
by Larry Finger 06 Jul '11

06 Jul '11

On 07/06/2011 08:39 AM, Rob OpenSuSE wrote: > On 6 July 2011 13:42, Larry Finger<Larry.Finger(a)lwfinger.net> wrote: >> This is a request for changing the name of the MS6 release to Beta. >> The TCT considered several possible changes to entice earlier and broader >> testing. The schedule does not have much flexibility to increase the time >> between the RC1 and GM releases, thus we probably need to indulge in some >> 'social engineering' to get earlier testing. We could change from 6 >> Milestone and 2 RC releases to 5 and 3, respectively, without tampering with >> the total time. Alternatively, we could rename from MS6 to Beta. The TCT >> favors the latter option. > > Having been someone who "noticed" RC1 releases then found it was too > late to have bug fixes integrated in GM, I think that is very > sensible. Hopefully with Tumbleweed& great availability of fresher > "stable" and "Head" kernels from repo, the relatively good quality of > 12.1 M2 is achievable. > > What impact does it have though on deadlines for key projects like > systemd, which now require definition& implementation of other > changes to port our system start up logic from innserv(8)? There would be no change in any deadlines or schedules. All that would happen is a name change. We think the Beta would attract more testers than would #6 in the MS series. > > If nothing much happens in August, then there's only really a few > weeks development time left, even though GM seems almost like "next > year"! Whilst really loving quality releases, I would not want > unintended consequences affecting a key project for 12.1, which is > likely on the "critical path" already. We certainly agree that a good, stable 12.1 GM is the goal. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Request to change MS6 to Beta
by Larry Finger 06 Jul '11

06 Jul '11

This is a request for changing the name of the MS6 release to Beta. The Testing Core Team (TCT) discussed the general problem of testing of new releases. With openQA, the probability that Factory iso's will boot and install is greatly increased; however, with the current system, many users do not start testing until RC1 is ready. As a result, there is very little time for detecting and fixing the bugs that will only be seen with a workload that is diverse. Such early testing will be particularly important for 12.1. Not only have we regularized the release schedule and naming scheme and need to follow through with a high-quality product, but we are behind due to the early build problems. The TCT considered several possible changes to entice earlier and broader testing. The schedule does not have much flexibility to increase the time between the RC1 and GM releases, thus we probably need to indulge in some 'social engineering' to get earlier testing. We could change from 6 Milestone and 2 RC releases to 5 and 3, respectively, without tampering with the total time. Alternatively, we could rename from MS6 to Beta. The TCT favors the latter option. It might mislead the users/testers a little regarding the quality of the offering, but we don't think calling MS6 "Beta" is misleading. By most definitions, Beta means feature-complete and free of huge bugs - we should be able to get that with MS6. A beta release should attract more users. In addition, many of us start full-time usage with MS5 or MS6, thus we know it to be usable for many people. Thanks for considering this proposal to further enhance the user experience and the quality of the final 12.1 release. This proposal is supported (in no particular order) by Larry Finger, Bernhard M. Wiedemann, Refilwe Seete, Holger Sickenberg, Jürgen Radzuweit, Bruno Friedmann, Ismail Doenmez, and Peter Czanik. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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Weekly News for July 2
by Larry Finger 03 Jul '11

03 Jul '11

The Testing Core Team held an IRC meeting at 17:00 UTC, June 27 on our usual channel. We discussed our experiences with openSUSE 12.1 MS2. The main problems that were encountered was the failure of the KDE NetworkManager applet to detect any network devices (Bug # 702461), and the inability to shut down the system from the GUI (Bug #702220). The workaround for the network applet problem is to install nmk-applet, the Gnome version, which works perfectly. The workaround for the shutdown problem is to bring up an alternate terminal using CTRL-ALT-F1 and shutdown or reboot from there. We also discussed the draft text of our request to rename MS6 to Beta in hopes of increasing the number of testers in the critical late stages of testing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help(a)opensuse.org

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