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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME:Apps build broken for 11.1
by Hans-Peter Jansen 26 Dec '09

26 Dec '09

Hi, after some reorganizations of GNOME: namespace, I noticed, that some GNOME:Apps does not build since some time: - no gimp - no inkscape xsane publishing is blocked by above. Before, I fetched the current gnome stuff from Factory, but after the reorg, zypper dup wants to downgrade all those packages, because of the build failures in question. It would be very nice, if somebody would give this repo some love and complete the transition. Thanks, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] [help needed] GNOME 2.28 update
by Vincent Untz 11 Dec '09

11 Dec '09

Hey, So in case you don't want to work on factory stuff or you don't like cleaning BuildRequires/Requires, there's something else you can do! We're planning to release GNOME 2.28.2 as a maintenance update for 11.2 (see the previous thread on this topic). While 2.28.2 is not out yet, we can still start updating quite a few package from 2.28.1 in GNOME:STABLE:2.28. You can get a first list with: osc collab --project GNOME:STABLE:2.28 todo (install the osc-plugin-collab from openSUSE:Tools if you don't have it already) Most of those updates should be easy to handle. It is really important to make sure to list the changes from upstream (which are usually listed in the NEWS file), so that we can review the changes and decide this new version is suitable for the maintenance update. You can just look at how previous .changes entries are formatted to get an idea on how to do it. Oh, and if you don't know osc collab, this line will do most of the magic for you: osc collab --project GNOME:STABLE:2.28 update $package (where $package can be gnome-keyring, for example) People in #opensuse-gnome will be glad to get you started, I'm sure :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] [help needed] Getting rid of libgnomeui, gnome-vfs, hal, etc.
by Vincent Untz 11 Dec '09

11 Dec '09

Hi, Andreas has started working on cleaning up some packages so that they don't uselessly BuildRequires or Requires a deprecated library. We don't have a good list of such libraries, but on the top of my head, I can list: libgnome, libgnomeui, gnome-vfs, libgnomeprint, libgnomeprintui, libglade, hal, PolicyKit 0.8, libbonobo, libbonoboui. I'm using upstream module names here, so beware: package names might be a bit different ;-) (Note that hal is being replaced with the "DeviceKit effort" -- which is slowly being renamed to the "udev effort"...) To make a long story short: we need help to do all this work. You'll find a few different cases: + a package uselessly BuildRequires, say, libgnome-devel, but doesn't need it. You can simply remove the BuildRequires. + a package can be compile with both a deprecated API (gnome-vfs) and the new API (gio, part of glib). In this case, often, we just don't need to keep the gnome-vfs dependency. + sometimes, there are cases where we might want to keep this. I think an example could be gstreamer-0_10-plugins-base, where it might make sense to keep the gnome-vfs plugin. In such a case, we should probably split the packge so that the gnome-vfs plugin is in a specific subpackage, that won't get installed by default. Note that having a package compile even after you removed a BuildRequires doesn't mean you did the right thing. For example, a package might BuildRequires both libgnomeui-devel and libbonoboui-devel. If you remove libgnomeui-devel, it will still compile because libbonoboui-devel brings libgnomeui-devel in. The right thing to do anyway is to make sure the package doesn't need libgnomeui-devel (you can usually check this by looking at the configure.in or configure.ac file of the tarball). Also, sometimes, removing the build dependency will remove a feature. If it's an important feature, we prefer to keep the build dependency. And if you're feeling brave, you can even write patches for the packages (and send them upstream!) to get rid of those dependencies! Below you can find a first list of packages that still depend on gnome-vfs or libgnomeui, compiled by Andreas (thanks Andreas!). This is a good place to start. If you have any question, just join #opensuse-gnome on irc :-) Vincent ----- Forwarded message from Andreas Jaeger ----- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:14:30 +0100 From: Andreas Jaeger To: Vincent Untz Subject: gnome-vfs2-devel and libgnomeui-devel requires Hi Vincent, here's what grep showed me for factory. I just fixed twitux and will tackle libgweather now, Andreas gnome-vfs2-devel - BuildRequires ================================ abiword banshee-1 dice gnome-vfsmm gobby04 gstreamer-0_10-plugins-base inkscape libgnome raw-thumbnailer gnome-vfs2-devel - Requires =========================== abiword banshee-1 evolution-data-server gnome-vfsmm libgda3 libgda libgnome libgnomeui libgweather planner libgnomeui-devel - BuildRequires ================================ balsa conglomerate dasher dia eiciel f-spot gDesklets ghex glabels glade3 gnome-commander gnome-docker gnome-main-menu gnome-netspeed-applet gnome-panel gnome-presence-applet gnome-spell2 gnucash grip gtetrinet gthumb gtkam gtktalog gurlchecker gwget libgail-gnome libgnomeuimm memprof nautilus-cd-burner planner pybliographer python-gnome twitux xchat-gnome compiz eclipse eID-belgium etherape gjiten graphviz gtkpod gwc icewm ifolder3 jack-rack mdbtools MozillaFirefox MozillaSunbird MozillaThunderbird mozilla-xulrunner191 multisync-gui novell-ifolder-client-plugins padevchooser pythoncad python-gnome-extras scim seamonkey stardict thinclient-greeter thinclient-settings thinclient-users tsclient uim libgnomeui-devel - Requires =========================== evolution gedit gnome-panel gnome-pilot gnucash gok gtkhtml2 libgnomeuimm -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] For our new Users
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 10 Dec '09

10 Dec '09

Hello new Users, this is an monthly Reminder. He would like to help you in your first Steps. 1.) Official Support: Support for the Box-Version: http://www.open-slx.de or http://www.openslx.com Support Database: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:History Mailiglists: http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate openSUSE Forums: http://forums.opensuse.org IRC: http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate/IRC Documentation: http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation 2.) Netiquette: For the Mailinglists please read: http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette before posting. Have a lot of fun... -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Member openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com ClaimID: http://claimid.com/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] [ANNOUNCE] Using the new accessibility stack in GNOME for Factory
by Vincent Untz 10 Dec '09

10 Dec '09

Hi, (please follow-up on opensuse-gnome, unless you have a cross-desktop point) People have been working on a new accessibility stack based on dbus for the past few months, and even though we had preliminary packages in 11.2, it was not really ready for real-world testing. We're reaching this point today. I opened a feature [1] to track this. The goal of doing this change now is to test this new stack, and help us decide if we want to use it in 11.3, or not. This should also help upstream find and fix bugs in the new stack. But for this to really work, we need help from people. How can I help? =============== If you know accessibility, you can certainly help. You'll need factory (or a development version of 11.3), and you'll need to make sure the new stack is installed. And then, just try some accessibility features to see what works, what doesn't work, etc. If you don't know accessibility, just join the GNOME accessibility effort: people will help you start. They have a good wiki page [2] that is the first place you should look. How can I have the new stack? ============================= Make sure at-spi2-core is installed. If you have gtk2, you should automatically get at-spi2-atk too. That's all. You're done. How can I switch to the old stack? ================================== Both stacks are parallel-installable. To use the old stack, you simply need the at-spi package, and you should set the /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba gconf key to true. While the two stacks are parallel-installable, I'm unsure that using the old one when the new one is installed works (it should, but there might be bugs). If this is the case, you can remove the old stack. But please file a bug too. Why a new stack? ================ The rewrite of the stack was triggered by technical reasons (moving away from corba to dbus). So the goal is not to propose new features, or to remove anything. But there'll probably be regressions. This rewrite should also help KDE share the same infrastructure; I think this is still something being worked on, though (someone else might be better informed). What changes? ============= For people not using accessibility, nothing should change. For people using accessibility: - you should be able to use orca and accerciser in the very same way - I believe the magnifier and the on-screen keyboard will not work fine (gnome-mag and gok). I'm actually not sure we can make them work with the new stack, so maybe we'll have to switch back because of this - accessibility of bonobo objects (that's mainly panel applets at this point) will likely be broken. Vincent [1] https://features.opensuse.org/308451 [2] http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Adjusting Windows Transparency
by Adam Tauno Williams 08 Dec '09

08 Dec '09

openSUSE 11.1, Compiz 0.8.4-167, GNOME 2.28.0 (?) Once upon a time I could adjust a windows transparency my having my mouse over that window and while holding down the Super key scrolling the wheel up and down. That stopped working sometime during 11.1. Now I've gone looking for how to enable that and can't seem to find any relevant configuration dialog. I'd assume it is in "CompizConfig Setting Manager" but I can't find it [that thing has so many layers it gives me the KDE creeps! :)] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Updating GNOME to 2.28.2 in 11.2?
by Vincent Untz 08 Dec '09

08 Dec '09

Hi all, As some of you probably saw, the KDE team is going to release a version upgrade of KDE as a maintenance update: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2009-12/msg00002.html Magnus noticed the discussion when it was still on the maintenance mailing list, and we started considering the option of doing the same for GNOME. A good candidate would be GNOME 2.28.2, which is due next week. It would certainly fix many bugs that are reported in bugzilla as of today. Of course, doing this will take some time (we need to update the packages, and then test all that), so it wouldn't happen before at least a few weeks. How do people feel about this? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Screensaver does not put the screen to sleep
by Carlos E. R. 07 Dec '09

07 Dec '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Since I tried 11.2 M6, up to current GM, the gnome screensaver does not set my display to sleep. In Screensaver preferences, I have set "regard the computer as iddle after 12 minutes", and in power management preferences, I have "put display to sleep after 5 minutes". It doesn't work. Where do I look? Is it a known bug? A configuration issue somewhere? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkr+uVsACgkQU92UU+smfQVEHgCcDWFHxb2tm7UpYXluayixyl2V dQUAnRIFzxgunD29PZPPiUEPkbTj9zZY =TSC5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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