openSUSE GNOME October 2009

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] Helping fix bugs for 11.2
by Marco Calistri 08 Oct '09

08 Oct '09

On Sun 04 Oct 2009 at 19:43:16 (-0300 UTC), Marco Calistri wrote: > Il giorno dom, 04/10/2009 alle 23.06 +0200, Vincent Untz ha scritto: >> Hi, >> >> Le dimanche 04 octobre 2009, à 16:29 -0300, Marco Calistri a écrit : >>> Il giorno sab, 03/10/2009 alle 12.41 +0200, Vincent Untz ha scritto: >> This is a rough guess. If you have some time to help make sure this is >> the right fix, please join #opensuse-gnome or send a mail to the >> opensuse-gnome mailing list. For now, I'm going to put the patch in the >> package since it makes sense anyway. >> >> >> Vincent > > Vincent, I've subscribed to opensuse-gnome. I'am currently updating my 11.2 M8 by "zypper up"... Let's see what happens on evolution 2.28 ;-) -- Marco Calistri <amdturion> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Packagekit crashes
by Jackintus 08 Oct '09

08 Oct '09

ProblemType: Crash Architecture: i586 Date: Thu Oct 8 09:39:03 2009 DistroRelease: SUSE LINUX 11.2 ExecutablePath: /usr/sbin/packagekitd NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia ProcAttrCurrent: unconfined ProcCmdline: /usr/sbin/packagekitd M8 + G:F PackageKit-0.5.1-45.6-i586 Bugzilla? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] G:S:2.28 and G:A
by Vincent Untz 08 Oct '09

08 Oct '09

Hey, We have two new projects: + GNOME:STABLE:2.28. It's currently empty, but it will play the same role as GNOME:STABLE:2.26, but for GNOME 2.28 (obviously). It's currently empty, and one difference is that we will only put packages that follow the GNOME development schedule there. + GNOME:Apps. It's also currently empty. It will be the devel project for GNOME applications that don't follow the GNOME schedule (think gimp, inkscape, etc.). It will also be used to backport the official packages to older releases whenever possible. It'd be great if someone could create http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/2.28 (based on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/2.26), or find a good way to explain on one page how we handle the stable releases. We also need to update http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Repositories During the openSUSE conference, we discussed how to keep built packages for old versions of openSUSE in GNOME:Apps. I think we should document this somewhere, so we can refer contributors to it. Yet another task for a volunteer :-) (you had to be at the conference, though) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] openSUSE, Compiz, NOMAD and upstreams
by Sam Spilsbury 08 Oct '09

08 Oct '09

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Dominique Leuenberger > <Dominique.Leuenberger(a)tmf-group.com> wrote: >> David is not following this mailing list. I got in touch with him directly and, as agreed with David, I'm posting his reply below for reference. >> >>>>> On 10/4/2009 at 7:54, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> Not sure if there is a different ML I should be posting this too. I >>> usually see David Reveman hanging out on #opensuse-gnome so I guessed >>> this is the right place to put this. >>> >>> I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' >>> which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using >>> compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers >>> spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and >>> merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc). >>> >>> It's been a few months since then and NOMAD has seen almost _no_ >>> development on freedesktop.org since the 30th of January or our own >>> project infrastructure. It also seems that for the 11.2 release of >>> openSUSE they will be planning on using the NOMAD-0.7.8 branch of >>> compiz instead of the 0.8.* stable series with some important >>> bugfixes. >>> >>> Does David, Novell or openSUSE have any intention to try to merge >>> NOMAD upstream? It would be useful functionality to have upstream and >>> we don't bite ;-). A few changes would be required to make it work but >>> overall it should work with the new infrastructure we have in place >>> with the 0.9 development series. In fact, it should be fairly easy to >>> merge it into the 0.8.* series. >>> >>> If not, we don't really have much of a choice than to consider this a fork >> >> <quote who="David Reveman"> >> I never got the time to merge the nomad work upstream as planned. >> opensuse is best to use the upstream version of compiz and abandon the >> nomad work for the time being. I might be able to find some time to at >> least merge some of the X server parts upstream soon but the compiz >> parts are unlikely to get my attention anytime soon. >> >> I'll start a wiki page at freedesktop.org asap with details for how all >> the nomad work is best merged upstream. > > Thanks. > > Kind Regards, > > Sam > >> >> - david >> </quote> >> >> Cheers, >> Dominique >> > > > > -- > Sam Spilsbury > CCing the list, Thanks for all your help in clearing things up opensuse-gnome :) - Sam -- Sam Spilsbury -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE, Compiz, NOMAD and upstreams
by Sam Spilsbury 07 Oct '09

07 Oct '09

Hey everyone, Not sure if there is a different ML I should be posting this too. I usually see David Reveman hanging out on #opensuse-gnome so I guessed this is the right place to put this. I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc). It's been a few months since then and NOMAD has seen almost _no_ development on freedesktop.org since the 30th of January or our own project infrastructure. It also seems that for the 11.2 release of openSUSE they will be planning on using the NOMAD-0.7.8 branch of compiz instead of the 0.8.* stable series with some important bugfixes. Does David, Novell or openSUSE have any intention to try to merge NOMAD upstream? It would be useful functionality to have upstream and we don't bite ;-). A few changes would be required to make it work but overall it should work with the new infrastructure we have in place with the 0.9 development series. In fact, it should be fairly easy to merge it into the 0.8.* series. If not, we don't really have much of a choice than to consider this a fork :<. Kind Regards, Sam -- Sam Spilsbury -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] [important] GNOME shipstoppers for 11.2
by Vincent Untz 03 Oct '09

03 Oct '09

Hi, Please read this mail carefully -- if you think you can't help, you're wrong because you can definitely help, even if you don't know how to package/code and even if you don't have a free machine to test factory. I'll talk about what I think are our current shipstoppers, and then how people can help. Oh, and it'd be nice to avoid turning this thread into a "please fix this specific bug" unless the bug in question is really major ;-) Current shipstoppers ==================== This is my current list of GNOME shipstoppers. Note that this is different from the official list of shipstoppers (decided by coolo), and so it could be seen as a list of "Vincent really wants this to be fixed for 11.2" bugs. Also note that some majors issues are already fixed in G:F but the fixes are not yet available (waiting for the build service to publish them, but you can download them via the build service web interface). One such issue is a bad crash in many gtk+ apps -- if you experience this, you probably want the gtk2 package in G:F. GNOME live system wants empty root password https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537343 This is currently NEEDINFO, if someone can provide the requested information, that would help a lot. Restart fails to restart computer https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540482 I would think the gdm package that is waiting to be built/published in G:F fixes at least part of this. Testing welcome. More investigation might be needed: clicking on "Restart" in GDM takes a bit too long before something happens. Could be a ConsoleKit issue. after suspend via lid close the system resumes and then suspends again https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540517 The issue is identified, and I've pushed the bug upstream for discussion. I tried a first fix that doesn't work, but I have an idea of another workaround that should be easy to implement. no gnome taskbar after install https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543876 The panel crashes on start. I have *no idea* why this happens. I've requested some information (in this bug, and in an upstream bug which is linked from there too). If you can reproduce the issue, please please get in touch with me so that we can debug it. Just launching the panel in gdb would help. sonar: gdm panel contains GtkComboBox that are unreadable https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544079 This happens with the latest sonar version. I tried to fix this but I'm obviously not good enough with gtk+ theming. If someone can fix it before Jakub, then please do it. Open with install Software cannot be used. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543595 Looks like some gnome-packagekit issue. 'Preferred Applications' appears twice in gnome control center https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533491 We need to make sure the applications appear in the right place and only once in the applications/preferences menu. This bug is just one example of this. Someone should come up with a list of all issues and then we can easily fix all of them at once. Just use the menu bar applet in the panel to make sure you see all the right submenus. Then we have some less important issues, but still things that I think we should really focus on: tomboy is needed by (installed) gconf2-branding-openSUSE-2.26-6.1.noarch https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531836 This is an issue for KDE users that have gconf2-branding-openSUSE installed -- they probably don't want to have tomboy, gnome-panel and all the mono stack just because of the gconf2-branding-openSUSE package. We can switch the Requires to a Recommends, but the real fix is to fix the branding package, which is not easy... Help welcome there (note: implies good knowledge of packaging). gnome-user-share: Could not make a filename from '' https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515025 Would need to know if it's still valid with current G:F. Game "lightsoff" cannot start https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541824 There is also an issue with same-gnome-clutter. If this is still valid, we might want to just disable the experimental games in gnome-games for 11.2. The Epiphany Web Browser cannot be used. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543577 Needs investigation. (Note that it doesn't mean other bugs don't get fixed -- we do fix other bugs too, but those ones are really important) How to help =========== 0) Identify other potential shipstoppers It's easy to do so: go over our bug list (GNOME bugs in 11.2) and look for any other really big issue that I missed. The bug has to be quite visible, and has to look like it could affect more than one person. 1) Bug fixing Well, if you can fix bugs, then just do it :-) Nothing really important to say there. 2) Look if a fix exists elsewhere You can look if a fix for a bug already exists somewhere. There are various places where you can check: + newer upstream version of a package: if there's a new upstream version, maybe it already contains the fix. If it does, then please tell us! + git/svn/etc.: the fix might already be upstream, but not in a released version. In this case, you need to look at git/svn/etc. Most projects have a web interface that lets you do this easily (eg, http://git.gnome.org/ for GNOME) + patches in other distros: it often happens that another distro already found the issue and fixed it with a patch. There are links to websites where you can see patches from packages in other distros at http://live.gnome.org/VendorPatches. Often, I just check at Fedora, Mandriva and Ubuntu. + upstream bug: if nothing else worked, you can check the upstream bugzilla for a similar bug. There might be a patch attached there. 3) Test a potential fix For some bugs, we already have a potential fix (or we found one with the steps above), and we need someone to make sure it fixes the issue. This might imply rebuilding a package locally (to avoid waiting for the build service), but it's easy to do so with osc. If you need help for this, just join #opensuse-gnome and people will guide you. (This step is of course quite important so you can definitely help) 4) Provide required information For some bugs, we need more information. We request this in the bug, and then we have to wait for somebody to provide the information. And unfortunately, sometimes we have to wait quite a bit :/ 5) Try to reproduce the bug with latest packages It happens that the bug is just fixed with a package update. So just running GNOME:Factory and trying to reproduce the issues can help identify fixed bugs. I can't run Factory on my computer ================================== Yep, this happens and this is understandable. But you can still run it in a virtual machine and work on most issues there (some issues require some specific hardware, so those ones are obviously not reproducable in the virtual machine). Here's how to do this: + install VirtualBox + download the latest LiveCD from http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ + launch a virtual machine and boot from the livecd. + then, you can try to reproduce issues directly from there, or you can first install the livecd (I recommend you configure the virtual machine with a 5GB disk in this case). The latter is better. + if you install the livecd, then please also enable the GNOME:Factory and GNOME:Backports:Factory repositories from the build service. You can follow the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/2.26 to do this. You will need to adapt the instructions like this: - replace GNOME:STABLE:2.26 with GNOME:Factory - replace GNOME:Backports:2.26 with GNOME:Backports:Factory - replace openSUSE_11.1 with openSUSE_Factory + if you installed and configured the repositories, make sure to update to the latest version of the packages with "zypper ref; zypper dup" And then you're all set! I can't stress enough that doing one of the above will help us a lot, so if you have some free time, please do it! Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] New GNOME Meetings Time
by Andrew Wafaa 02 Oct '09

02 Oct '09

OK as much as some people think I volunteered at the conference to manage and arrange the new round of GNOME team meetings (Magnus, yes you my drunken Antipadean/Scandie friend ;-) ), I only agreed to come up with a new time and day. I hereby would like to put forward for consideration 1400UTC on either every second Tuesday or Thursday. I did suggest that we try and gear the meetings around a specific topic - i.e. 1 meeting it could be about messaging (email, IM, social messaging etc) another meeting could be about Media (totem, fspot, banshee, etc) so on and so on. I would suggest the first meeting be used to cover GNOME in general and define what we want to cover in the next meeting. Please let everyone know your thoughts etc. Regards, Andy -- Sent from an N97 Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin PGP: 0x3A36312F openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Dropping ggreeter
by Vincent Untz 02 Oct '09

02 Oct '09

Funny thing: ggreeter is crashin in factory. Nobody noticed. And I don't know of anybody really fond of this. Can we just finally kill it? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Tracker?
by Adam Tauno Williams 02 Oct '09

02 Oct '09

Are there packages for Tracker <http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/> available for openSUSE 11.2? My searching hasn't turned anything up. Given the unmaintained status of Beagle are there plans to include Tracker in future versions of openSUSE? <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/2009-September/msg00005.ht…> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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