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[opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Menu handling
by Vincent Untz 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

Hi, Moving part of this thread to opensuse-gnome. Le mercredi 23 avril 2008, à 10:50 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Le lundi 21 avril 2008, à 21:37 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > Many years ago, SuSE used selfmade menu. Now, according to > > freedesktop.org's specs and implementations in software there's no need. > > > > Upstream provides .desktop files, mostly well translated. > > > > By creating .desktop files, you're reinventing the wheel, making SUSE's > > menu entries inconsistent with other distros, and messing in menu. > > > > You may ask "what's that mess?". > > > > The mess is: > > * more categories than entries in those categories > > * entries duplication > > * wrong categories set (Liferea is RSS aggregator, not newsgroups > > client/whatever, same applies for Miro) > > * configuration apps not in GNOME's control center but in usual > > "Applications" menu and/or application browser > > > > openSUSE should stop that. Apps already provide .desktop files, as said > > before. desktop-file-install should be used to install them (probably > > with --vendor and --delete original as schema). > > > > Screenshots from GNOME: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mtf3lw > > I'll probably have to find better host for these screenshots. > > Tell me, when this doesn't work. > > That's most probably because of the menu files that are used. We have > applications.menu, applications.menu.kde and applications.menu.gnome -- > I'm not sure all GNOME applications use applications.menu.gnome (and > looking at this file, it seems outdated). So we can fix it in the > packaging of gnome-menus, I believe. Two questions here: + applications.menu.gnome seems to be outdated. Can we kill it/replace it/do whatever I want with it? + I'd really love to use upstream applications.menu for GNOME. It's much much cleaner. Really. This would make the menu bar and upstream main menu more usable. But I don't know what's the impact on the application browser. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Bugzilla Components
by Magnus Boman 08 May '08

08 May '08

Hello, Would anyone object if we tried to have only GNOME as a component in bugzilla for openSUSE 11.1, instead of what we have now with GNOME, GNOME Platform and GNOME Admin? Thanks, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] No Meeting this Week
by JP Rosevear 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

I think we'll have no meeting this week for several reasons: 1) Its holiday in most of the world tomorrow 2) Agenda is limited 3) I was late announcing it Sorry for the late notice, -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Default IRC client... Again...
by Magnus Boman 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Hello, I had a look at what's required to make pidgin the default IRC client in 11.0. The result is, we don't! First of all, purple-url-handler is using depreciated dbus calls. This has been a known bug (http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/3520) with the Pidgin developers for the last 7 months. Second, purple-url-handler is broken :-/ See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=383574 Third, it's not possible to dynamically create a Pidgin IRC account when clicking on an IRC link. That means that we would have to add silly patches just to make this work (See Comment#2 in the above mentioned bugzilla bug) So unless someone have any strong objection, and/or want to fix up pidgin to work properly, xchat should replace xchat-gnome instead of pidgin. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Proposed changes wrt policy
by Vincent Untz 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Hi, Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove: /apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this /apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts /apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes /apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change. /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player) gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why? If nobody complains, I'll remove those changes in a week or so. Also, here's a list of settings that we change and that might need some rationale if we want to keep the changes: /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces /apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound Please discuss :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: GNOME Live CD trimming
by Hans Petter Jansson 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:39 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review#Packaging_optimisations_to_save… This looks promising. Thanks, Michael! -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Default IRC Client
by Magnus Boman 28 Apr '08

28 Apr '08

Hello, We're currently in the process of trying to decide which application that we should install/use by default for IRC. There was a "discussion" on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review with regards to this, but I added http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review/xchat for greater clarity. Please head over the to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review/xchat and discuss your opinions. Please note that *not* installing xchat or xchat-gnome by default does not mean that we are dropping it from the distribution. Thanks, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Live CD trimming
by Hans Petter Jansson 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

I went through the list of packages from rpm -qa on the Live CD looking for things that can be removed. Unfortunately, it's already cut pretty close to the bone. Mono really hurts us, since its bindings libs bring in a lot of dependencies. I did find some candidates for removal, though: bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. * The google breakpad part is huge. * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!). xterm - 1989755 bytes * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the user as it is. icewm - 1017076 bytes icewm-lite - 643576 bytes * Superfluous window manager. * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow? tasque - 677049 bytes * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on the Live CD. * Evolution has task support. * Requires Inet connectivity? * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep NDesk.DBus.GLib. xournal - 330731 bytes * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. * Too specialized for the Live CD? * We're shipping Tomboy notes. bc - 228015 bytes * Too exotic for the Live CD? gcalctool sufficient? * Only important dependent seems to be openssl, but I don't think it's needed for openssl consuming programs (removed it from my main computer with seemingly no ill effects). PackageKit - 1381964 bytes gnome-packagekit - 1449137 bytes * It's huge. * You can't modify the software selection on the Live CD anyway. Then there's X-Chat vs. Pidgin, but I guess we should keep both since you're stuck with what you've got on the Live CD. If we remove all of the suggested packages, we will save 9,702,927 bytes (according to the size field in rpm -qi), or 9,995,776 bytes if you take block padding into account with 512-byte blocks, using the following (cut/paste friendly) script: let total_size=0; for i in $(rpm -ql bug-buddy xterm icewm icewm-lite \ tasque xournal bc PackageKit gnome-packagekit); do if [ -f $i ]; then \ let total_size+=$(stat -c '%b' $i); fi; done; let total_size*=$(stat \ -c '%B' .); echo $total_size You'll get a bigger number for a non-Live-CD install, I guess because the Live CD packages are optimized for size. I left the games alone because they appeal to new users who want to try out the distro, and I left the diagnostics tools (hardware and network) alone since they're so useful on Live CDs. -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Live CD trimming
by Hans Petter Jansson 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

Hi there. JP told me that you had some ideas for package splitting that could be done to pare down the size of the GNOME Live CD. Care to share? :) -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: GNOME Live CD trimming
by Hans Petter Jansson 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 07:17 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote: > Am Freitag, 25. April 2008 schrieb Hans Petter Jansson: > > bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes > > * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. > Well, you can install debuginfos as soon as bug-buddy greets you, no? > And I thought bug-buddy is also used to report bugs to gnome? Yeah. Can you install debuginfo packages on the live system? > > * The google breakpad part is huge. > > * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!). > That sounds like a valid bug report :) Will file. > > xterm - 1989755 bytes > > * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not > > when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious > > technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the > > user as it is. > Yeah, but I'm really afraid people will shoot me if I take this off ;) Let them make their own "old farts" live CD. You don't see me crying about rxvt or emacs, eh :) > > icewm - 1017076 bytes > > icewm-lite - 643576 bytes > > * Superfluous window manager. > > * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow? > It's needed by sax2 for the test environment. The installer needs it too, > but that is not so interesting unless we offer a direct way to start the > installer (which I'm thinking about). Ok. Is there some way we can tell sax which window manager to use? Then we could re-use metacity. It sounds like it could be a quick hack. > > tasque - 677049 bytes > > * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on > > the Live CD. > > * Evolution has task support. > > * Requires Inet connectivity? > > * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep > > NDesk.DBus.GLib. > See #379486 I'm not crazy about that decision... > > xournal - 330731 bytes > > * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with > > margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. > > * Too specialized for the Live CD? > > * We're shipping Tomboy notes. > This comes from the gnome-laptop selection. It's been in there before > I took over, so no idea. It's not exactly large either. Every little bit helps, plus I couldn't actually get it to do anything useful. Maybe it needs a pressure-sensitive input in order to draw. And it's kind of ugly. > > bc - 228015 bytes > > * Too exotic for the Live CD? gcalctool sufficient? > > * Only important dependent seems to be openssl, but I don't > > think it's needed for openssl consuming programs (removed it > > from my main computer with seemingly no ill effects). > Actually ddrescue requires it, which I put on the live cd for recovery. Ah, I thought that dep was bogus because there's a GNU ddrescue that's just compiled C++ with no external deps apart from the C++ libs. But our ddrescue package actually contains dd_rescue, which is a different tool that comes with a wrapper script (dd_rhelp) that uses bc in a number of places, thusly: [ "$( echo "$kbytes < 1024" | bc)" == "1" ] && { echo -n "$kbytes Ko" ; return 0; } The GNU ddrescue looks better, so maybe it's worth shipping that instead? See also: http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/ddrescue/ -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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