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[opensuse-gnome] suggestions for a simpler design for the gnome-main-menu
by Christian Jäger 24 Jun '07

24 Jun '07

Mockups: http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7501/cleangnomemainmenumockull6.png http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1028/appbrowsermockupzj3.png http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6744/controlcentermockupxw7.png Hello, with the 0.9x-version, the main menu has acquired new functionality but also has lost some of its intuitive handling. Two bars plugged unto the centre of the menu are one too many. And my father wasn't even capable of finding the log-out entry in the _old_ version of the menu. Big Board,too, now tries to cram as much info as possible into one menu (leading to an information-overload IMHO). I think it would be a good thing if the gnome-main-menu would set itself apart from that by providing as simple a way as possible to do as many things as possible within a menu. I hope you don't mind that I make some suggestions for a simpler design of the gnome-main-menu also showing an application-browser and the control-center inline. So, basically I'd like to see the menu slimmed down somewhat. Perhaps less can be more, sometimes. There's two ways one could do something about that: Omitting unneccessary things and arranging things better. 1. Unneccessary space-stealers How many times do we really need to lock the screen manually? Not too often, as it happens automatically after a few minutes. So skip that menu-entry. Does the entry-field for the search-menu have to cover the whole length of the menu? Certainly not! 2. Clever re-grouping of buttons How many times do we want to install software when we open the menu? Not too often. We want to do it mostly when we realize that an application we need is not installed. So put the 'install software'-button next to the 'More...'-button in the menu/the app-browser, where the user will need it. Do we really need to know whether the machine is connected to the Net everytime we open the menu? And also, how much space there is on the HD? I think not. Also, this replicates data we should be shown in the gnome-panel (network-manager, D-Bus low-space warning). In the end, we would look for system-information somewhere where we can do other system-maintenance, also. So, put it into an inline control-center (see mockup). This leaves us with few, but important menu items on the right-hand bar: 'Help' and 'Logout'. As shrinking the 'Search'-menu has gained us space, and as especially the 'Logout'-button is very important, one could and should put them into the top-bar of the menu IMHO; next to the search-field. Below that, as in the 0.9x-version there is 'Applications', 'Documents' and 'Places', and it now has gained a 'System'-entry which shows the new inline control-center and some system-info. The active entry ('Applications' respectively 'System' in these mockups) should be highlighted in blue, but, hey, I'm no good with the Gimp; sorry. Please also excuse the mixture of German and English in the mockups. Well, this is how the mockups' design got together. Now for the functioning of an inline application-browser and control-center that I hope to see someday. :) In the applications-browser the upper half of the windows should contain the categories of applications; if not all fit in, the 'More...'-button should show the next categories. The lower half of the window shows the applications of the selected category. The 'More...'-button shows the next applications of that category. It would be very clever if the most-used applications were shown first. The search-button could search the for the active area (applications, documents... you could also regard e-mail as documents) while typing and only if the user hits the return-key the beagle-search interface could come up. Same for the control-panel; the 'More...'-button only changes the appropriate part of the window. BTW, the Big Board developers have come up with an idea worth stealing: installation suggestions (http://clarkbw.net/blog/2007/05/04/bullish-on-finding-new-applications/) For example if you search for 'presentation' and don't have presentation-software installed, it would suggest OpenOffice as a recommended install. That would be some idea for future use. It would be nice to have 'suggstions' for categories,too. Say, you browse the 'Internet'-category; there's two lines with place for 3 applications-icons each. Now, say, you'd only have 4 applications installedd, so the otherwise 'empty' spaces in line 2 would be filled by two suggested installations. Enough stuff to think about. I hope someone might find the mockups worth thinking about, too. Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME:UNSTABLE problems
by Stanislav Brabec 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hallo. I am using 10.2 + GNOME:UNSTABLE and I am experiencing several strange problems. Could anybody using GNOME:UNSTABLE or Factory confirm these problems? - Metacity does not start from saved session. Starting it manually helps (but may be complicated to do it without window manager). - Epiphany often loses DNS resolution, but the rest of the system continues to work. I suspect nss-mdns. I have commented it out in /etc/nssswitch.conf and it seems to help. - pam_keyring does not work: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=260590 Not counting these problems it works nice. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME 2.18.2
by Gary Ekker 29 May '07

29 May '07

Hello, Do we have a plan to get GNOME 2.18.2 into factory/gnome-stable? Cheers. -Gary -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) tutorial doc
by A Nagappan 24 May '07

24 May '07

Hi, Last week released Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) tutorial doc - http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/doc/ldtp-tutorial.pdf Please send your feedback. Thanks Nagappan Nagappan A <anagappan(a)novell.com> Linux Desktop Testing Project - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org http://nagappanal.blogspot.com Novell, Inc. SUSE* Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready* http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GUADEC get-together
by Joerg Kress 21 May '07

21 May '07

Hi everyone! GUADEC[1] is not far away. So I wanted to ask everyone who will be there, whether there is interest in an openSUSE get-together at GUADEC? Chat about your favourite[2] environment in your favourite distribution. Meet with the people, have fun and work on openSUSE specific GNOME issues. As a time-frame I'd recommend the core days as most people will be at GUADEC at this time. A specific time can be chosen through discussion here. Location can be decided when we're there (and know where to go). Cheers, Josh [1]: http://www.guadec.org/ [2]: Usually I choose to write US English, but as GUADEC happens to be in the UK, I thought I should conform myself accordingly ;-) -- Jörg Kreß <jkress(a)suse.de> YaST2 Development _________________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse] Problem loading GNOME session
by JP Rosevear 20 May '07

20 May '07

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 23:07 +0530, Bikram Chatterjee wrote: > Hi, > > I am stuck with problem starting SuSE 10.1. The distro is a x86_64. > The system required a WinXp 64bit dual boot :((. The Linux was > pre-installed. After installing WinXp the boot loader required > repairing in order to have XP in chain loading. After that is done > successfully, I am unable to load GNOME though Failsafe GNOME is > loading. The error is telling me that there was session crash after > less than 10sec of previous load, and the error is written at > "~/.xsession-errors" it also suggested that after the error is fixed I > can get the system back (no need to reinstall :) ). The said file has: > > --- paste start ---- > /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with > wtmp and utmp > /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg > -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h > "" -l ":0" "root" > /etc/X11/xim: Checking wether an input method should be started. > INPUT_METHOD is not set or empty (no user selected input method). > Trying to start a default input method for the locale en_US.UTF-8 ... > There is no default input method for the current locale. > ---- paste end ---- > > Can anybody please help me with right direction to fix this thing. Well, .xsession-errors seems to have no information. See if there is anything interesting in /var/log/gdm/ -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Pidgin Plugin rpms + gnome-main-menu 0.9.8 rpm
by Ivan N. Zlatev 15 May '07

15 May '07

Greetings, Recently I started playing a bit with building RPMs and produced rpms for: * Pidgin guifications * Pidgin plugin pack from guifications.sf.net * gnome-main-menu 0.9.8 Those can be found in my little experimental repository at http://rpm.i-nz.net . I am wondering if it is a good idea (of course if those rpms meet your standards) to get those rpms in the Community repository? I am planning on backporting and packaging gnome software every now and then when I need something in the future. Regards. -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Main menu hangups
by Ivan N. Zlatev 14 May '07

14 May '07

Ops forgot to add list to recepients... On 5/14/07, Ivan N. Zlatev <contact(a)i-nz.net> wrote: > I don't know about Factory, but you can probably get and give > main-menu 0.9.8 a try. It works flawlessly for me on 10.2. Get it from > GNOME:Unstable - > http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/UNSTABLE/openSUSE_10.2 > > Regards. > > On 5/14/07, Wade Berrier <wberrier(a)novell.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anyone know if gnome-main-menu has been fixed in factory so it doesn't > > freeze? > > > > The applet often freezes in 10.2 (menu doesn't pop up when clicked, or > > the applet disappears, but doesn't crash). This happens especially when > > I'm switching wireless networks with networkmanager. I'm guessing it > > may be dbus related, but am not sure. > > > > Any updates? > > > > Wade > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org > > > > > > > -- > Ivan N. Zlatev > > Web: http://www.i-nZ.net > "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." > -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Main menu hangups
by Wade Berrier 14 May '07

14 May '07

Hi, Anyone know if gnome-main-menu has been fixed in factory so it doesn't freeze? The applet often freezes in 10.2 (menu doesn't pop up when clicked, or the applet disappears, but doesn't crash). This happens especially when I'm switching wireless networks with networkmanager. I'm guessing it may be dbus related, but am not sure. Any updates? Wade -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Pidgin
by James Ogley 07 May '07

07 May '07

Can you keep replies on-list please? > what's the name of the pidgin package? i just made a quick search on > the webpin project website, and it returned no results, and did you > make it so it can automatically update gaim-unstable? It's called pidgin. Is there some latency on webpin perhaps? Haven't made it automatically update yet but I intend to once I'm satisfied it's relatively stable (seems to be so far). -- James Ogley james(a)usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] python-gtk
by James Ogley 07 May '07

07 May '07

I've added python-gtk packages to GNOME:Community. They're the standard packages but updated to 2.10.4. The reason being that gimp-unstable now needs this version for the python plugin. Once the version in Factory is updated, I'll disable the G:C Factory build. -- James Ogley james(a)usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] 2.19 Plan
by JP Rosevear 04 May '07

04 May '07

We need a plan to cover GNOME 2.19 now that its being released. Normally I would say move 2.18.1 to G:S and keep updating it there, but in this case we have the /opt/gnome -> /usr move to deal with, we'd break anyone on 10.2 and older for sure. Any thoughts on what to do? -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Pidgin
by James Ogley 02 May '07

02 May '07

Just an FYI for you all: I'll be uploading pidgin to GNOME:Community very soon, just beating the old gaim-unstable.spec to do what's required. I'm splitting it, as per the project's guidelines and nomenclature, into libpurple[-devel], pidgin[-devel] and finch[-devel]. I'm deviating from their default by not splitting all the libpurple plugins into separate subpackages though - that's overkill IMHO. Is it too late to get this into 10.3? -- James Ogley james(a)usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Gimmie
by James Ogley 02 May '07

02 May '07

Seriously, please reply on-list. > it actually adds a "gnome with gimmie" session option on gdm's ws, I know, that's my nasty hack - it doesn't support session management, autostart or anything useful. -- James Ogley james(a)usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Gimmie
by James Ogley 01 May '07

01 May '07

I've transferred gimmie (and python-libgmail which it requires) to GNOME:Community this morning. I've not managed to test adding it to default.session so it contains a hacky script to start it with a basic GNOME session. Would default.session work for users with an existing GNOME session saved anyway? (I have tested replacing gnome-panel with gimmie in ~/.gnome2/session and that worked fairly nicely) -- James Ogley james(a)usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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