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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/11/08)
by Rodrigo Moya 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

Ideas for 11.0: - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.0 (add your ideas there) - Use build service to build and test features before flowing them into FACTORY - Priorities: pulseaudio, packagekit, compiz, intlclock - a11y on by default: see Ubuntu a11y installer, testing plan - Some small teams formed to kick start things AI: Add features to task list (JP) AI: List teams for feature creation (JP) Bug squash plans: - Last week squash day went from 140 to ~ 55 old bugs - Most 10.1 bugs left are Evolution's - Add opensuse-10.2/opensuse-10.3 to whiteboard for bugs in 10.2 that still happen in 10.3 - Will squash 10.2 next, and from now on, every 2 weeks, next on the 14th Bug plan: - More bugs tagged (between 1/3 and 1/2 of 10.3, still lack 10.2 and 11.0) - gnome-performance tag added AI: search and tag a11y bugs (suseROCKS) Meeting themes: - Bluetooth one went very well, so will do more - NetworkManager, X11 Task review: - All go to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Tasks and add status/due date - Live CD tested, no problems found (others found problems, so retesting) - Archive and categories to be added to the tasks list - Feature process still blocked - Spec file sample uploaded for app, missing one for libraries AI: Make a tasks archive page (btimothy) Bug submitting: - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Submitting_Bugs got better, but need more info on debugging specific apps Wishlist packaging: - Packaging day to happen soon -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE 11.0 Feature Development Notes
by JP Rosevear 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

I've update: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.0 With the initial rough list of notes for who is doing what. I added: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.0/PulseAudio which is kind of cheating but I wasn't sure where else to add this to do list to atm. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Upgrading from GNOME:STABLE and KDE:KDE3 repositories messed up the system for the 1st time
by CF 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

I use openSUSE 10.2 / GNOME and every month I upgrade the system from the repositories GNOME:STABLE and KDE:KDE3 using the mirror from http://ftp.skynet.be. The upgrade always goes smoothly with no problem. However, yesterday after upgrading and rebooting the system, yast and zypper wouldn't work anymore. Besides, almost all blue artwork (desktop wallpaper, GNOME splash screen, GDM theme) from oS 10.2 turned into the green one from oS 10.3. I have done this upgrading process several times, but this is the 1st time that such a problem takes place. I use the repositories for oS 10.2, not the ones for oS 10.3. http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/GNOME:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/ http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_10.2/ What is happening? CF -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Help Needed: Glade UI
by Magnus Boman 08 Nov '07

08 Nov '07

Yo folks! I'm looking at implementing a properties dialog for Slab (http://en.opensuse.org/User:MBoman#Slab) which would enable users to manipulate the behavior instead of having to do it in the gconf-editor. My problem is that I'm useless when it comes to using Glade and trying to design the UI. If anyone is willing to work with me, it'd be much appreciated. Either reply to this email or contact me off-list for more details. Thanks, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Meeting Thursday Nov 8 at noon EDT/18:00CST/1700 UTC
by JP Rosevear 07 Nov '07

07 Nov '07

Greetings GNOME/openSUSE lovers, the GNOME team will be holding its next meeting this Thursday at 17:00 UTC (18:00 CET). Please note the change to 17:00 UTC now that the clocks have gone back in Europe and North America (in many places the meeting will be at same time as before). World times for the meeting at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=08&month=11&year=2… This is the first meeting where we will start to work on openSUSE 11.0 GNOME planning. Last meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071101 Next meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071108 Calendar of all meetings: webcal://news.opensuse.org/?ec3_ical Meeting info: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings Tasks: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Tasks -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] package\selector small UI change proposal
by Martin Szulecki 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

I have another proposal for small changes to the UI. Would it be possible to implement something like this for the package selector? http://sukimashita.com/temp/yast2-gtk-package-selector-1.gif Similar for the categories (the themes have icons available) and perhaps the patterns (although it might be hard to retrieve a correct pattern<->icon mapping). One last thing I am missing is the ability to filter based on "Packages for Upgrade", "Normal Packages Packages", "To be Deleted", "To be Installed" etc. to for instance somehow be able to only list the packages that can be upgraded to abuse this as a selective upgrade tool. However, feeling the need for above might aswell just be the result of opensuse-updater failing to give me any hint (even a "Details" would be sufficient; the current only lists official updates) at which packages it would update when I click OK. The biggest issue are cross-vendor updates which can screw up stuff, which might be solved with a new checkbox for preferences and enabled by default? I'd be willing to supply patches if that looks ok to implement. --- Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Ancient Distro Bug Squash Day: thanks to participants
by Mark Gordon 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

As ivanZ reported on Friday evening, the bug day was a great success. The 140 bugs were down to 55 when I left, and it's now down to 51. I expect we'll want to go back to finish what's left and start working on 10.2 bugs, but that's a topic for the meeting. Thanks to all those who helped, including the following: ivanZ psp250 Benjiman munkii AlbertoP sreeves btimothy mauropm jpr I've probably missed a few, for which I apologize. -Mark Gordon

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[opensuse-gnome] localization capplet
by Rodrigo Moya 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

Hi As part of upstream gnome-control-center development, we are discussing about adding a new localization capplet, so thought about sending the mockup here for comments, so that we take openSUSE's users opinions into account :) Find the mockup attached, any comments/additions? -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com>

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[opensuse-gnome] nobody likes the application-browser...
by Christian Jäger 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

Hello, I'd like to bring up once again the perhaps most controversial issue in openSUSE's rendition of GNOME: its way of browsing/starting applications. Regular complaints about the application-browser are: 1) it is not GNOME standard 2) application-browser start-up time is too long 3) finding applications in app-browser is cumbersome There's not much to say about 1); many things about openSUSE are far from Vanilla, and be that good or not, it won't change. 2) is an issue that has been 'taken care of' several times AFAIK but none of the attempts have really resolved the issue. The application-browser can still take anything up to a minute on my 1.7 Ghz, 512 MB RAM computer to start (and by this I don't mean first-time startup) when I'm running other applications. What, if anything, else could be done to resolve this issue, apart from simply ditching the app-browser as a concept? 3) is a valid complaint IMHO, last brought up in this review: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,138886-c,suse/article.html Quote: "if you're looking for a spreadsheet, for example, you must first scroll through almost a full page of games." The reviewer obviously didn't click the categories on the left window pane but simply scrolled down the menu from top to bottom in order to find the application she was looking for. Can we expect users to do otherwise; even to enter a search-term in the search-box on the top-left corner? I think not. Also there is a lack of sub-categories A possible solution comes from ASUS' new customized Xandros-desktop for their Eee-PC; they use a full-screen, tabbed 'application-browser' of sorts: http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/10/29/eee-pc-xandros-linux-review/ The decision to make the GUI full-screen-size and always visible might well be attributed to the minuscule size of the device's screen (7"). Still the screen-real-estate is small, so it uses two ways to very effectively reduce the number of applications that are immediately visible: -tabs -icons that lead to a deeper-level hierarchy I think the positive effect on usability is just remarkable. Please test it using this 'interactive' demo: http://honeypothack.com/eee/internet.htm How about a re-design of the application-browser using tabs (if not a second-level hierachy for technical reasons)? Do you think it would improve user-experience (I do)? Would it be much work? Mockup: http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabbedappbrowserho1.png Another point: If one could use the same screen-estate for the main-menu as the ASUS-device uses for its launcher - ideally reducing the amount of icons by sub-categories - one could well integrate the tabbed app-browser directly into the 'Computer'-menu and NOT have the startup-lag of a separate application-browser, thus solving problem 2), I think. Just a reminder that this option exists; 'Mint' does something like that. Mockup: http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainmenujp8.png Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/11/01)
by Rodrigo Moya 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

Bug plan: - Bug plan practically done - Plan on having bug topic days - All GNOME bugs need to be categorized (http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Bugs) - ...and people should continue voting for bugs, to help in prioritization - Need a way to get bugs fixed in released products that are not security or very important fixes but that the community people care about. AI: finish tagging bugs (federico and rodrigo) by Nov 9th AI: add 11.0 categorization for bugs Ancient distro bug squash: - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/BugDays/20071102 Task review: - Code page needs to be written - Not much to do about the feature requests stuff, waiting for whole distro decisions - Add an ETA for all tasks - 10.3->G:S merging is done once a day manually, 10.2 nearly done - Glossary not started - pkg-buildrequires: - http://pack.suse.cz/sbrabec/pkg-buildrequires/ - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/sbrabec/ - https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=home%3Asbrabec&package=pkg-… - Will review http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Gnome in next meeting - What about GNOME:BACKPORTS, like KDE has? AI: organize the tasks page (btimothy) Meeting format: - Dev/non-dev split is good - Time shift is a good idea, Asia/Oceania people could attend this one - Themes are good, will try with an Evo themed meeting AI: write out these decisions in http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings (captain_magnus) -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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