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[opensuse-gnome] Meeting Order
by Magnus Boman 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Team, In the last meeting, we discussed experimenting with the meeting order. I've come up with a first draft for our next meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071018). Please review and let me know what you think. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/10/11)
by Rodrigo Moya 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Meetings: * Target audience: - We discuss both hardcore dev issues as well as "soft" issues, so to make it easier for everyone, hardcore stuff will be discussed last. * Meeting formats: - Will experiment with different formats to allow more participation - Will try cut&paste panned intro *** AI - experiment with meeting theming (captain_magnus) *** AI - experiment with order in meetings (captain_magnus) * Length & frequency of meetings: - Keep weekly meetings, but limit to 45 mins/1 hour, although will use time as needed for the time being - Rotate times for getting people from Asia *** AI - experiment with limited time for individual items (JP) *** AI - review meeting formats in 3 more items (JP) Bug squashing: - Need to deal with GNOME bugs for old opensuse versions. - Move all bugs that are still seen in <= 10.3 to 11.0 unless it's critical *** AI - organize bug squashing (mtgordon) Packaging policy: - G:Community policy still blocked on packaging guidelines - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Community_Inclusion_Policy *** AI - figure out where wishlist items live in the feature process (JP, captain_magnus, cyberorg) Feature requests & mini-projects: - Only discussion, still no access to FATE for external people - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/FeaturePlanning *** AI - Create a 11.0 features wish list page Task review: - GM live CDs need to be tested - G:STABLE is now up-to-date but still does not compile due to BS bug - Glossary not started yet Q&A: - Need more feedback about bug plan before starting on 'debugging topics' - Need a due date column on our tasks list - Create an icalendar for tasks with alarms - Obsolete orphan pages in the wiki - Will evaluate PackageKit for package manager - Lots of improvements needed in yast-gtk package manager -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] What is "Meeting Themes"?
by Magnus Boman 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Folks, I just started to look at the AI's from the last meeting, and realized that I'm not 100% clear what we meant with "Theming". Theming is simply adding a specific Topic to be discussed in that meeting or Theming is a topic that runs throughout the meeting. If someone could clarify this to me, then I can get on with my AI's :-) Cheers, Captain Meeting -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] package\selector small UI change proposal
by Martin Szulecki 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 15:45 +0100, Ricardo Cruz wrote: > The mockup looks great, thanks. Christian Jäger also suggested the use > of icons. However, I am afraid we can only hack that for installed > software. > Zypp downloads a file from the repos that has some informations about > the packages (names, descriptions, ...), but it doesn't have an inlined > icon -- it doesn't even have all the RPM header info. We would need to > download the entire package to extract that information. > What we can do, for the available packages, is to use the icon of the > group they belong to. E.g. for bombermaze, I guess the games/action. > # I could imagine a stacked icon retrieval algo.; top to bottom: - Use the "icon" property supplied by package tag from zypper/metadata (described below) - Use GNOME icon lookup interface with specific package name - Package Category's icon (Icon naming spec gives us appropriate icons) - Use generic icon for application/x-rpm Of course the biggest challenge are icons for not installed packages. An idea to solve this... # Get icon metadata from packager up to the software stack: - .spec files allow "Icon:" tags, let's put them to use to specify an icon name for a package - Generated repository metadata gets "icon" attribute which is read from the .spec file - Zypper gets "icon" attribute support in the API - Packagemanager is able to use/read the "icon" information (which now comes all the way from the .spec file) and use it in the icon lookup process While this would add the ability for packagers to specify an "Icon:" tag with a name according to the icon naming spec and thus at least already gain a good set of icons to use, it still would not work for completely custom icons. # External icons Here, we would require to get those from some place in the internets. I think one solution would be to extend the "Icon:" tag to be able to specify names, filenames and URLs so the build process might pull the appropriate images into the final repository (probably the repodata/ or src/ directory renamed according to the package). If the icons are put in some directory in the repository they could be accessible from the createrepo generated html pages, from within the build service's package listings or even some supergeeky AJAX frontend (oh, like http://software.opensuse.org/search/) Again, just an idea and for sure needs a final specification to become reality. > We already have exchanged some ideas privately about the interface. You > guys can start a public discussion, if you wish. We'll certainly listen > to the feedback. Maybe during next week I can start working on it; > before changing the interface, I will want to re-work the code to > support for this, which can take more time. > > Some stuff we need: > * support for filters. Besides the name search, we need filtering based > on statuses and repositories. Would be great if they could be used > together. Maybe have a left pane for them, hiding them with expanders by > default (the search would always be visible of course). > I think as soon as filters are added the two pane package management becomes obsolete in my eyes. No doubt they are needed and to be hidden by default for less than rookie users. > * browse. Whenever the user wants to check out what other word processor > (to give an example) are available, browsing is more reliable than > search, that can miss something. So, browse should really be a first > class citizen. Maybe we could have it together with search, on the > filters pane, though it makes only sense for packages. Anyway, we > probably want something external like yast-qt has, because it gives more > flexibility to the user to list all Server Programs, without having to > go through all nodes. And we really need icons for the browser, to make > it easier to navigate. > Browsing wins. ;) Perhaps the optimal useability might be achieved with making the package selection "filebrowser" like. Folders are categories/patterns/languages and files correspond to packages. > * dedicated interface for upgrading. We need to give the user more > information on the upgrades (and downgrades) available. A nice extra > could be doing a diff between the installed ChangeLog and the available > one, so the user can check easily what's new. (they aren't very nice). > Maybe an extra Upgrade tab page (or Version) should be available when a > package has multiple versions. That would be nice. Anyways, keep up the great work. --- Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Add URL's to GNOME Meeting Agenda
by Magnus Boman 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

Hello all, It's easy to get lost during a meeting unless you know what's being discussed in more detail. An easy way to rectify this would be to add URL's for each subject that will be discussed. I propose that we do something like my "mockup" for our agenda; http://en.opensuse.org/User:MBoman#Mockup_for_GNOME_Meeting_Agenda Good? Bad? Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] package\selector
by James Tremblay 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

Guys, I really think that the default for the gnome gtk package selector view should be "in patterns" because none of us jr. geeks knows how to choose all the dependencies for anything. starting with patterns as a default lets me go to "web and Lamp" and add perl support for instance. This adds continuity to the process of finding software in both the "more applications" menu and the package selector. --. James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District 213 S. Main st Newmarket NH, 03857 603-659-3271 *318 CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/educationk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Meeting Thursday at noon EDT/18:00CST/1600 GMT
by JP Rosevear 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

Greetings GNOME/openSUSE lovers. After holding a very successful first meeting, the GNOME team will be holding its next meeting this Thursday at noon EDT/18:00CST/1600 GMT). In general we will follow the meeting guidelines (http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About) outlined for the openSUSE project, except we use #opensuse-gnome as the IRC channel. Please add agenda items and questions to the meeting page. This particular meeting will be centered around 10.3 cleanup, 11.0 planning and the process/planning improvements for the team (ie having these meetings, and re-organizing the wiki like we've done over the past couple of weeks). Last meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071004 Next meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/20071011 or http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings/Current Meeting info: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Meetings -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/10/04)
by Rodrigo Moya 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 17:29 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: > On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > > - Most of the opensuse-gnome team going to the Boston summit > > > > Wiki status: > > - Initial task done, will continue to update to get good GNOME-related information > > - Still no mail notifications > > AI *** Boyd to poke Henne on mail notifications > > Is there another Boyd? I do not remember getting this action item. What > am I to do? > unless you are the same Boyd that was on the meeting, no, it's not for you :-) But we're glad to get any help, so if you want, just go ahead and help the other Boyd :-) -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] 10.3 installation and GNOME 1st steps
by Rodrigo Moya 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

This kind of HOWTOs should be what we have on our wiki :-) http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_opensuse10.3 -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-gnome] Please help test proposed yast2-gtk package selector bugfixes...
by Boyd Timothy 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

Okay everyone, this is round 2 of a quick sanity check of the yast2-gtk package selector. I know that there are a bunch of other problems with the package selector in general, but as a first cut, these are the problems addressed in this fix: 1. Items in the left (Available Software) and right (Installed Software) panes should be sorted alphabetically 2. Installed packages should _not_ be listed on the left unless there's a newer version 3. Packages should appear in the left column when selecting "plain list", "pattern", "language", etc. I need everyone's help at testing these above-mentioned fixes before I feel comfortable committing the code and releasing a newer version of yast2-gtk. Please try it out and make sure that we haven't regressed or broken something. If all goes well, I'll update the package for 10.3 and these things will at least be fixed and we can move on to bigger and even more important fixes. You can get the updated package here: http://151.155.4.222/opensuse-10.3/ Thanks! -Boyd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

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