July 2000 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Get together date
by Derek Harding 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Hi folks, I haven't yet managed to sort out the "programme" but the best date would seem to be 17th August. I hope to have a display from BECTA, demo/promotion from Applix and, I hope, VMWare and Corel. Roger, do you have any Corel/VMWare contacts? Can SuSE make copies of the version 6 glibc available (needed for Corel Office 2000) to save folk having to download it? Any other goodies? I'll draft out the topics Monday and, of course, I'll need volunteers to deliver the workshop information. Do people want to bring their own boxes to build the software in the presence of so much gathered wisdom? If so, let me know. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding derek(a)lagham.zetnet.co.uk

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Re: Fw:
by Simon Rainey 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Dear All, To clear up the speculation concerning RM and Linux: - The RM Internet business (IFL) has run Linux since day one, i.e. over 5 years. - All the core services run under Linux with the exception of RM EasyMail and virtual web servers where users wish to use FrontPage extensions, which for commercial reasons run under NT. SMTP: Sendmail and Exim POP3: Qpopper HTTP: Apache FTP: wu-ftpd NNTP: INN DNS: BIND SQL: PostgreSQL and MySQL NTP: xntpd filtered web access: Squid - The server owl.rmplc.co.uk runs some majordomo mailing lists and a few virtual web servers. It is open for SMTP, HTTP, FTP and telnet access. It has been in service for some time (Pentium 133) and we have never felt the need to upgrade the kernel from 2.0.33. If it ain't broke don't fix it. - We never bothered to change the default web site on owl from the Apache intro page. It's no big deal. The virtual web servers use host headers to index the correct document root. - Owl is the only server on the IFL network that is open to telnet. It is required by a small number of developers who have a virtual web server on the machine and need more than FTP access. They are too mobile for us to restrict access using lists based on client IP address. Regular checks are made to ensure that owl has not been compromised and firewalls are in place to prevent it from being used to attack other hosts in the event that it is. Regards, Simon. ------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Rainey E-mail: srainey(a)rmplc.net Principal Internet Consultant RM IFL Engineering Internet for Learning, Research Machines plc, New Mill House, 183 Milton Park, Abingdon, Oxfordshire, OX14 4SE, England.

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Time
by David Willmor 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

what is the command to change the time on the system from the command line? thanks for any help David Willmor IT Services Hayes School

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printing with Samba
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

> I assume this allows you to place spool data > into a directory. My question is how do > you print this data once it is there? Normally, the usual linux 'lpr' subsystem takes over, once it is in the spool (this is configured using the 'printer capabilities database' - /etc/printcap - I think) I think lpq lists the printer queue - there is also a general 'control' command that lets you obtain the status of printers, etc - but I can't remember what it is (it is probably listed on the man page for lpr and lpq). There are generally 2 ways of printing via samba : 1. Drivers are on the Linux box, and clients just print using basic drivers and let Linux do the formatting (eg ghostscript, etc for ps jobs, etc) 2. Linux box treats printer as a 'raw device' - ie it has effectively no driver for the printer. In this case, the normal windows drivers are installed on the clients, and Linux just passes on the received data direct to the printer. In the latter case, Linux could not print to the device (without an additional local printer configuration being setup). Kevin.

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Printing with Samba
by David Willmor 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

I was examining a sample smb.conf file and noticed the following: - [myprinter] comment = My Printer valid users = me path = /home/me printer = my_printer public = no printable = yes I assume this allows you to place spool data into a directory. My question is how do you print this data once it is there? I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on this subject. David Willmor IT Services Hayes School

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Anyone looked at galeon yet?
by Paul Hornshaw 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

Hi All (again) Has anyone looked at the galeon web browser yet? It's a gnome/mozilla based browser. The screenshot looks very impressive, and I believe it's not so heavy on the resources. It's still in alpha development though. I'm not so keen on Netscape because of a serious lock up problem that I had: (hdd thrashing)swap file overload/cpu load hitting 100% and the only way I could exit was to switch off. Not a pleasant experience. I don't like Mozilla much and Iynx is a bit fuddy duddy (for me). Anyone know of any other browsers around? Is there a linux version of Opera? Anyway, here's the link for galeon: http://galeon.sourceforge.net/ cheers, -- paul I've tried to give them up. But I'm back on the sigs again.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Fw:
by adrian.wells 27 Jul '00

27 Jul '00

By the way... Someone in RM support told me a little while ago that they were 'shipping LINUX' - The chap eventually found what he was looking for and the conversation was dropped! Adrian

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Fw:
by nick-drage＠gmx.ch 27 Jul '00

27 Jul '00

Hi, > On 27-Jul-2000 adrian.wells wrote: > > Got this from RM this morning, do you think that they may be > > playing with LINUX? > > Yep. Netcraft says it's a Linux box. On the offchance I tried a > telnet, an the telnet prompt reports kernel 2.0.33. They're running > Apache on it as well. 2.0.33? Hopefully they've changed the prompt, when was 2.0.33 out? Then again, hopefully your telnet connection went to a completely different box that's sitting there waiting to catch potential hackers. > I won't probe further, but I rather think someone there needs a > meaty application of the clue stick; an obviously unused web server > is running with the default pages, and telnet is open. Betcha other > stuff is open that shouldn't be.... OK, two courses of action: ONE - considering that RM is a target for all those disgrunted students of yours struggling with puberty / being a teenager / etc someone with access to RM support phone numbers and email addresses should have a word with RM *real soon*. TWO - Roger puts up a promise of a copy of SuSE 6.5 as the prize, first list subscriber to change the telnet prompt to "This host has been annexed by the SuSE Linux schools mailing list" wins :) -- f�rchten Sie den blauen Bildschirm des Todes Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net

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Fw:
by adrian.wells 27 Jul '00

27 Jul '00

Got this from RM this morning, do you think that they may be playing with LINUX? ---------- > From: root(a)owl.rmplc.co.uk > To: > Subject: > Date: 26 July 2000 16:56 > > > _________________________________________________________ > > RM Networks Mail List http://support.rm.com/connect/forums/ > _________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe send a message to majordomo(a)rmplc.co.uk with the body text : > UNSUBSCRIBE RM-NETWORKS youraddress > > For help please contact : rm-list-help(a)rmplc.co.uk

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Print Server
by David Willmor 27 Jul '00

27 Jul '00

We are currently implementing a new Learning Resources Centre with 100 new PC's running Windows 98. We are looking for a way for all machines to send their printouts to a single machine which a member of staff can use to send to a specific non-networked printer. Does anyone have any ideas? David Willmor IT Services Hayes School

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COSE
by suse 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

Hi all Yes it was a good conference and I hope to email to the list the notes I am prepairing for the UKUKUUG news letter. One thing is for sure some companies who applied presure to BECTA appear to be very worried about Open Source hitting them badly. Who? Guess! Regards mike -- minkl(a)dircon.co.uk mike.clinch(a)ukuug.org School Focus responsibility

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OSE Seminar / Conference
by Alan Harris 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

Hi Richard, I'm just going home from work at the moment, and will then be on two weeks leave. I will try and get some information to you from my home E-mail account ASAP. Alan richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk wrote: > > As a side result of this event, it would be apprieciated if those of you > > interested in developing Open Source School Administration systems would > > get in contact with myself so that we can exchange ideas and > > experiences. I'm quite prepared to make the results of my investigations > > in this area available to anyone who is interested. > > > > Alan, > > I have done quite a lot of work in this area and would like to > collaborate with others. > > I have currently written Delphi clients with MS SQL server. > > What have you been up to? > > regards > Richard > richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OSE Seminar / Conference
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

Hi, I was really disappointed that I had to miss the event, but I look forward to some sort of summary on ose.org.uk. I notice that there was an interesting mix of delegates ... > For those of you who missed the event, don't knock Becta, > they're treading a very fine and difficult line here. Absolutely - agreed. > Malcom and company need > support, not flames, for thier work and support of Open Source. I think the next big thing has got to be a statement of 'where can we go from here'. Did the conference cover any sort of future path, with any comments on what can be done to help - and perhaps more importantly, what 'sort' of people need to be involved. I would be interested to know what the future of the ose.org.uk website is too. I hope this conference will give it a boost, as a central point for information. It is interesting to note that discussions about ose/Becta and policies are happening here on the SuSE list - and not on the mailing list provided by OSE - I think this is a real shame, but - well, if a forum works, and people read it and respond, then I guess it doesn't matter ... Are people aware of the ose list ? Do you subscribe there too ? Should we leave Rogers mailing list for SuSE support issues, and continue OSE issues elsewhere (do you mind either way Roger :-) ? Kevin. Northants LUG

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OSE Seminar / Conference
by Alan Harris 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

Many thanks to Malcom Herbet, Becta et al for an excellent day. It was well worth attending. While there is obviously a lot of distrust and anxiety coming from 'those in authority' concerning Open Source, it is also obvious that the future is also Open Source. Well done Malcom for treading the fine line - a difficult task concerning Becta's position! Thanks also to Martin and Damien for some excellent presentations. For those of you who missed the event, don't knock Becta, they're treading a very fine and difficult line here. Malcom and company need support, not flames, for thier work and support of Open Source. As a side result of this event, it would be apprieciated if those of you interested in developing Open Source School Administration systems would get in contact with myself so that we can exchange ideas and experiences. I'm quite prepared to make the results of my investigations in this area available to anyone who is interested. Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk

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Quotas
by Dave Williams 25 Jul '00

25 Jul '00

I've decided to set up a SuSE based file server. All I want is Samba so I did a minimal install (SuSE 6.4) and added Samba 2.0.7 I now realise that quotas are not added by default. I've added "quota" but it warns me that the kernel must support them. How do I find out if my kernel does and then how do I activate them? I assume a change must be made to fstab but what? I've also seen reference to user and group quota templates but they are also a mystery - where do they go and what do they consist of? Dave Williams

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UPS
by Miles Berry 25 Jul '00

25 Jul '00

Do any list members have experience of running a UPS (uninterruptible power supply) under Linux? Which UPS do you use? How do I configure the Linux server to do a proper shutdown when the UPS trips in? Thanks in anticipation. Miles Berry, CCCS, Oxford and St Ives, Haslemere

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VNC - Virtual Network Computing
by adrian.wells 24 Jul '00

24 Jul '00

David, You may already have these... VNC http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ Versions available - as pasted from VNC Site LINUX 2.x for x86 (3.3.3 is glibc only) Solaris 2.5 (SPARC) Windows 9x/2000/NT(Intel Win32) Macintosh Beta - 68K processor (Beta viewer) NB: Stuffit 5.5 needed to unpack! - PPC processor (Beta) NB: Stuffit 5.5 needed to unpack! DEC Alpha OSF1 3.2 Windows CE 2.x Beta viewer (50K) - SH3 processor - MIPS processor VNC 'manager' & a "user unfriendly" server for windows http://www.chronetal.co.uk/ Adrian wells ---------- > From: David Willmor <jd99(a)hayes.kent.sch.uk> > To: SuSE Mail List <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Print Server > Date: 22 July 2000 10:33 > > We are currently implementing a new Learning Resources Centre with 100 new > PC's running Windows 98. We are looking for a way for all machines to send > their printouts to a single machine which a member of staff can use to send to > a specific non-networked printer.

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Masquerading
by Dave Williams 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

I need to extend my school's network beyond the 254 IP numbers I'm using - based on 172.19.50.x This network includes a router which links through an ISDN line to an LEA proxy server. Is the best way to achieve this to split the network into 2 segment and use a Linux machine and Masquerading to link them together. ie.- leave the bulk of the machines on 172.19.50.x use 192.168.0.x for the others use two NICs in the Linux machine, 1 for each subnet Install masquerading Will this allow the machines on 192.168.0.x to access *all* the services on the main network? Dave Williams

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Website filtering using Squid
by Purbeck School Network Support 14 Jul '00

14 Jul '00

Hi Could anyone tell me if it is possible to filter websites based on the site URL. We use RM's IFL internet connection so most of the nasties are taken out at source but it would be useful to add our own filtering if possible. Thanks in advance Dave Turnbull ICT Technician The Purbeck School www.purbeck.dorset.sch.uk

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XDM and X terminal mini howto in the making ...
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 14 Jul '00

14 Jul '00

Hi, I have been playing around with a 486 as an X terminal, and have been setting up XDM to manage it. I have started a 'mini howto' document that I will be submitting to the LDP. As there has been some interest here in the past about this topic (and several of you have done the same) - I thought that some of you would be interested in commenting on my draft document. Any comments or additions would be most welcome. This is aimed at configuring XDM really - I do not cover setting up diskless X terminals themselves (as this is covered in the existing 'thin-client' howto document). The draft is on my LUG project pages : http://www.northants.lug.org.uk/projects/ Ta, Kevin. Northants LUG

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] PostgreSQL and Linux / Windows
by Alan Harris 14 Jul '00

14 Jul '00

Many thanks... I have considered DB2 but the problem is cost (as a Lotus site DB2 would be great). Eventually I intend to have the whole thing running as a 'web based' operation to make the front end "teacher friendly". I have accessed the PostgreSQL server from another linux box using the Kpsql client without any problem so it's obviously a windows thing. I actually intend to use Perl to generate, execute and return the results from queries submitted via HTML - tests indicate that it will work here quite well. My interest in the windows clients was based on not having to teach admin staff how to use Linux! However, I don't think that such an exercise would be a bad thing. If it wasn't for the lack of CD ROM based materials for education based on Linux then I could change the entire network over to Linux 'tomorrow' so to speak. (slightly off track here but) Our school was criticised by our latest school inspection for it's lack of CD ROM use. Despite (in my judgement) potential Y2K issues with old dos based roms and despite the fact that we have school wide internet access. In fact, the Inspector concerned would'nt even speak to me about the network and wasn't interested in anything to do with non-teaching staff! How do we overcome such issues as this? What do schools already using Linux throughout do about such issues - I'd really like to know. Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk Malcolm wrote: > hi Alan > > >But.... in the mean time, anyone know anything about linking SQL clients > >to backend databases via TCP/IP? (before I start some really intensive > >reading and research that is...) > > haven't done it with PostgreSQL, but with MySQL using the MyODBC drivers > from Access clients. I believe that the issues would be the same with > PostgreSQL, their are the drivers. The things to watch for: > security permissions, the ODBC drivers require a username/password to > access the DB, so if it is to read/write/delete etc etc you have to remember > its client machine, rather than user-based (?) > the ODBC management tools were a bit flaky, we use the web-based tools, in > particular phpMyAdmin (theres one for Postgres aswell). > > we have tended to use web-base interfaces rather than ODBC clients > lattertly, easy to set up and use, with JSP and PHP. > > if you want any more info, contact me direct. There are a number of reasons > of choosing PostgreSQL over MySQL (including the license), but there seems > to be wider support for clients and tools for MySQL. Have you considered DB2 > ? > > Malc > ------------------------------- > Dr Malcolm Herbert > Head of Technology R&D, Becta > 02476 847126 Mob: 07801 612438 > -------------------------------

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backing up
by David Woollard-Kingston 13 Jul '00

13 Jul '00

I wonder if anyone can help. I'm having problems backing up to tape. There's nothing physically wrong as the previous (Redhat) incarnation allowed me to backup and restore successfully, but using KDat in Suse 6.3 only reports a missing tape. On startup the system acknowledges the tape drive as /dev/st01 but try as I might I cannot mount it. Any ideas anyone. p.s. I should add that my system was installed by a super bright ex-student who has since moved on - I'm busy learning more about Linux but I would be very grateful if any technical that is offered be in fairly newbie terms. Thanks, David Flegg High School, Norfolk

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Macromedia etc
by Giles Nunn 13 Jul '00

13 Jul '00

I asked my colleague (not a Linux devotee) who uses macromedia to comment on the ideas which have been coming up on this topic. I am forwarding his reply verbatim. _____________________________________ Giles Nunn - Network Manager Carms Schools ICT Development Centre Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 ____________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:52:51 +0100 From: Lloyd Walters <lwalters(a)satproj.org.uk> To: Giles Nunn <giles(a)satproj.org.uk> Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and Linux / Windows) (fwd) Giles, There is a free Flash Player for Linux available from Macromedia : http://sdc.shockwave.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ That doesn't cover Shockwave - but I'm not clear on the distinction between Flash and Shockwave. Corel seem (or plan) to "bring Macromedia Flash technology to Corel LINUX" - see 9th Feb 2000 press release : http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2000/mm_corel.html Macromedia do seem to be slowly dipping their toes into Linux. Their latest flagship product, for large scale web site development, is being made available for SunOs and Linux. But I'd be surprised if they're putting any effort into putting their whole product line onto Linux, if only because they're not making any noises about any such development. Meanwhile, they are rending towards a more open approach. They've long since published the Flash file format, Dreamweaver is totally open and extensible - at least to those with expertise in Javascript and/or XML. I also believe that a C source code API library for creating Flash files is available for free. Lloyd Giles wrote: > > You might like to comment on this thread which has just started on the > suse linux schools mailing list. > > _____________________________________ > Giles Nunn - Network Manager > Carms Schools ICT Development Centre > Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 > ____________________________________ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:36:17 +0100 > From: Mr Murdoch <j.murdoch(a)rgc.aberdeen.sch.uk> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and Linux / > Windows) > > Macromedia is the company that produces the software used to the CDs - the > package used is probably Director. The latest version of Director uses the > Shockwave player to play back the completed files, although the company > doesn't supply a Linux version as far as I know. > > John > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mr J. Murdoch Email : j.murdoch(a)rgc.aberdeen.sch.uk > Network Manager Tel. : +44 1224 646346 (switchboard) > Robert Gordon's College > Aberdeen AB10 1FE Fax : +44 1224 630301 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kevin.taylor(a)powerconv.alstom.com > > [SMTP:kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:39 AM > > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and > > Linux / Windows) > > > > > > > > > The aim should be any application for any platform, which > > > is becoming the goal for the corporate world. > > > > Many CD Rom titles that my kids use, support Windows 3.1, 95, NT > > and Macs. They tend to use Macromedia - so I would guess that > > there would not be a large investment in their time to provide the > > "viewing software" for Linux too - after all the same data is already > > used for various flavours of Windows and Macs - but I have asked > > various people (DK, Tivola, etc) about Linux support and always > > draw a blank. > > > > Again, this sort of thing could do with a bit more muscle to > > show that this could be a useful way for the publishers to > > go - could Becta do this too ? > > > > I do not know anything about how 'Macromedia' works, > > but presumably if they started to support Linux, then Linux > > versions of the popular CDs would follow. > > > > Kevin. > > > >

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Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and Linux / Windows)
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 13 Jul '00

13 Jul '00

> The aim should be any application for any platform, which > is becoming the goal for the corporate world. Many CD Rom titles that my kids use, support Windows 3.1, 95, NT and Macs. They tend to use Macromedia - so I would guess that there would not be a large investment in their time to provide the "viewing software" for Linux too - after all the same data is already used for various flavours of Windows and Macs - but I have asked various people (DK, Tivola, etc) about Linux support and always draw a blank. Again, this sort of thing could do with a bit more muscle to show that this could be a useful way for the publishers to go - could Becta do this too ? I do not know anything about how 'Macromedia' works, but presumably if they started to support Linux, then Linux versions of the popular CDs would follow. Kevin.

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and Linux / Windows)
by Mr Murdoch 13 Jul '00

13 Jul '00

Macromedia is the company that produces the software used to the CDs - the package used is probably Director. The latest version of Director uses the Shockwave player to play back the completed files, although the company doesn't supply a Linux version as far as I know. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr J. Murdoch Email : j.murdoch(a)rgc.aberdeen.sch.uk Network Manager Tel. : +44 1224 646346 (switchboard) Robert Gordon's College Aberdeen AB10 1FE Fax : +44 1224 630301 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin.taylor(a)powerconv.alstom.com > [SMTP:kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:39 AM > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Mutilmedia (was: PostgreSQL and > Linux / Windows) > > > > > The aim should be any application for any platform, which > > is becoming the goal for the corporate world. > > Many CD Rom titles that my kids use, support Windows 3.1, 95, NT > and Macs. They tend to use Macromedia - so I would guess that > there would not be a large investment in their time to provide the > "viewing software" for Linux too - after all the same data is already > used for various flavours of Windows and Macs - but I have asked > various people (DK, Tivola, etc) about Linux support and always > draw a blank. > > Again, this sort of thing could do with a bit more muscle to > show that this could be a useful way for the publishers to > go - could Becta do this too ? > > I do not know anything about how 'Macromedia' works, > but presumably if they started to support Linux, then Linux > versions of the popular CDs would follow. > > Kevin. > >

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