December 2006 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-edu] Re: [opensuse-project] package wishlists
by James Tremblay 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 01:43 +0000, Craig Millar wrote: > With regards to package wishlists on the website[1]. There are several > requests for packages that are already available through the build service / if the package is already on opensuse.org, can we put links to them in an "Education" update channel in the future? LRUPp seems to have linked the moodle packages from his /home:lrupp folder to education:server. if a package belongs in education:server folder, could you, would you link it please? same for education:desktop. please. I'd like to turn those two "channels" into the most trusted education software sites in the world! > packman / guru. Is it preferable to link to these available packages > (bearing > in mind that build service packages especially may not be production ready), why not ??? new tag line for the download service at opensuse, "Certified for OpenSUSE!" Does the build service repackage finished RPM's? if so I'd like to see all usable packages that are legally available as OSS brought into the BS for official product compatibility. one stop shop to build a school. (network) > either with or without a disclaimer that the packages therein may not be of > the standard expected, or to remove them as they are available elsewhere (esp > in a more popular source, such as pm or guru)? > shouldn't "guru" want to mirror us rather than us mirror him? frees up his disk space for other projects? openSUSE needs to become the default repo for all OpenSUSE users, this will help marketing and usability perceptions. The packages we can't offer should be the domain of other repo's i.e joe smith gives his child his old laptop , it runs w2k but it doesn't have support. joe smith says "hey, OpenSUSE will run on this why buy XP", downloads, installs , updates opensuse and says hey I'd like (insert RPM) package. he goes to the software updater, looks for the package and it's there. he sees an add for "long term support subscriptions" upgrades to SLED and is "happy as a clam" if it's not, then he goes elsewhere to find his package. > > On occasion, links have been supplied to, for eg, packman resources, only for > the user to complain that it's not part of the official openSUSE builds and > therefore less desirable[2]. my point exactly > Personally I tend to trust packman (and indeed guru and several build > service) builds having used them for ages. My question is more about the > intent of these pages. Is it to provide any link (no matter how reliable) to > SUSE rpms, or is it to provide links to better known (or only official) > builds? I trust them too, but let the more "experimental" users find the other repo's > I think the essential issue is that of relationship of trust built up between > a (group of) user(s) and a particular packager. everyone opensuse > Perhaps a revamp of the > wishlist pages is in order, something along the lines of wishlist items that > are (or perhaps in factory), officially fulfilled, do we need more specifics in writing regarding what can be wished for? > and a list of repos that > are available (unofficially, and stated as such). I don't think we can officially or unofficially point to repo's that offer "illegal" packages that infringe pattens or copyrights Craig, As much as I would like to take the easy route, I believe we owe it to OpenSUSE to bring everything SUSE under it's roof. if the BS doesn't currently have the tools for us to bring in existing RPM's, it should. I would like to be able to find an RPM elsewhere and bring it to the BS and make it "certified" and available according to category and repackaged for all current versions of OpenSUSE. Please, if I have misinterpreted any of your positions, let me know. James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] are there any questions?
by James Tremblay 07 Jan '07

07 Jan '07

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone had anything to ask? James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-edu] which programming languages preferred?
by James Tremblay 02 Jan '07

02 Jan '07

On Sunday 31 December 2006 15:19, garry saddington wrote: > > I have a set of goals for these. > > 1) get them to install with a Q&A routine from an RPM. this will help > > make them more accessable to to people that don't know any command line. > > Why not make an easy to install Windows version just for testing by > 'normal' teachers. Then for production recommend SuSE - not difficult to > justify (security, stability etc.). I can't think of a good reason to waste time with a windows anything. except maybe shades ;) > > > 2) get them to share an LDAP directory , > > Not for the amount of data that needs to be held. Use an agreed upon > central db like Postgres. > not looking to move the stored data anywhere until stage three , just looking to make a sharable demographics interface, if Centre was the main interface then Moodle and OpenBiblio could be configured to use Centre as their authentication and user repository , Yes? This would also allow each product to remain independent until stage three, Yes? > > This is necessary to reduce data > > redundancy and inaccuracy, it would also bypass the need for a SIF > > (student information frameworks) agent which is soon to be a requirement > > in the states, > > Doesn't surprise me. > > > ( I think there is a similar requirement growing in the UK, possibly > > in the EU as well all though I don't follow there EDU regs.) > > SIF is pointless stupidity geared at allowing commercial interests to > continue to fatten themselves on education's meagre resources (and it > costs for SIF as well!), apart from many other more technical > pointlessnesses. > If this was real business (and not education) I suspect that SIF would > be a complete non-starter and even a laughing stock. > No argument here > > 3) blend them together into one interface. To create a Hybrid that would > > include the setup from the "Open School Server" , this last goal would > > set the stage for a commercial version that both Novell and the good > > folks at Extis.de could support. > > It may be better to hang on for a while to see if any of the in > development MIS software ever gets to the point that it can compete with > the likes of SIMS by Capita (in England of course). waiting isn't helping. Many schools are right now looking for a replacement for things like WInschool which isn't NCLB compliant and has already been decommissioned by Pearson. At least with a program like Centre we can make it meet the needs and maybe some regulations too. I have seen more than one thread on this idea. google search SIS+Moodle and you will see them, even a company selling the service of using Moodles API to sync data. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Education site, Help wanted!
by James Tremblay 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

Hello all, We could use some help with the http://en.opensuse.org/Education project. Help with all aspects would be appreciated. I have included in the text of the site some goals. I'd like to ask that people with RPM building , PHP programming, postgresql, LDAP, and installation script experience , i.e. manipulating config files during the install process, please contact us. Schools all over the world could use help mainstreaming their records keeping process so that students can have the benefit of those records and their achievements, should they be in a position to go on to college. Shouldn't it be as easy as possible for students to have access to computers and the possibilities they provide. Wouldn't it be nice for some rural school district to be able to build a small network based on OpenSUSE and LTSP, that hosts all student management, course delivery and testing services as well as provide demographics, achievement and testing records that are recognized world wide? All these tools exist in opensource today, what is missing is the distribution to host them, together we can solve this issue. Topics for volunteers: 1) creating a complete installation system for Centre 2) adding LDAP to Centre 3) creating a "databridge" to Moodle 4) anything I haven't thought of yet James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Re: [opensuse-project] Education site, Help wanted!
by James Tremblay 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 19:16 +1100, Peter Flodin wrote: " If I have understood correctly we are talking about Installation software patterns and an extra repository (or add-on cd) to provide software for the educator. Is it envisaged that this will include the desktop similar to the ideas of Edubuntu? Or are we just talking School Administration? " The direction is indeed to have this "add-on" cd that works as a part of all three SUSE environments. (a total vertical sales solution approach) first: as a set of "install Patterns" for OpenSUSE that include both desktop and server\edu-administration materials. second: as set of patterns to make SLED more education centric. third: as a set of patterns to make SLES more education management centric. With OpenSUSE we get a chance to "reach the world" by keeping this approach in mind , we should build the cd to minipulate the build process to produce one machine that is both desktop\ltsp and adminstrative, giving even the poorest of schools the ability to transmit student records electronically, even if it's on a floppy. With the SLE variants we should be thinking about specific network functions i.e. will this be the SLED\LTSP box or the SIS server , the CMS server , the LAS server, the internet gateway, the website, the e-mail server, will there be M$ boxes on the network, etc. Remembering that a lot of schools have money for technology but it's limited and the persons in charge are more likely to be technology passionate educators , not technologists who are passionate about education. (I, being the latter and still rather rare). you wrote: " It should probably be part of a total comprehensive Education solution ie you would have admin or server component and desktop component of something like: openSUSE Education openSUSE Scholar openSUSE Academia openSUSE Learn eduSUSE eSUSE SUSE-Edu " This is correct, however I don't quite get all the names, are you thinking that a separate ISO be created for each of these or suggesting an overall project name? Should we create a voting area on the project name? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] Introduction from Chile
by Jose Cifuentes Riquelme 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

Hello.. I'm new in this mailing list and I'm new using opensuse too.. I want tell them about my work and my insterest for learn opensuse and new free technologies. I'm a math teacher in a secundary school from Chile and coordinator of IT .. from five years ago I used Gnu/Linux as Desktop.. mainly Debian and Ubuntu... I'm very interested in the project about opensuse and education. I want join the group and colaboratte, but the language is my problem... (any person speak spanish?).... Regards... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-edu] [ml-admin] Migration complete
by Henne Vogelsang 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

Hi, the migration is done now. Have a lot of fun. Henne -- ml-admin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help(a)opensuse.org

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