Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes:
> I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a
> message to say hello and introduce yourselves.
If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red
swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article,
where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-)
I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am
responsible for producing the Debian official CD images:
I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've
been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers
(which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly
contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian
(which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since
1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise''
such a thing.
For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a
world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing
lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD
distribution) and gives it away.
Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it
produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the
machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather
than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for).
This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about:
which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software
Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from.
My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to
OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection
at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary
host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying
etc. as well.
Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE
list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-)
would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational
Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for
a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for
anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for
money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs
pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested.
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Can any body recommend me a multi-user web based SQL front-end.
I need one to store pupil information, I'll need different access levels (e.g. read/write, read, no access)
Any help will be much appreciated
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 03:54:05PM +0100, Nigel Pauli wrote:
> > On Friday 28 September 2001 14:42, Frank Shute wrote:
> > > I'd be happy to give you a hand with the database design which is
> > > important but often neglected. Things like normalisation of your
> > > tables & doing a proper entity-relationship diagram is important so
> > > that you don't end up having to redo your tables bacause of integrity
> > > problems. Also allows you to extend the database easily in future if
> > > the need arises. DB design is a bit of a black art which requires
> > > some experience and a good deal of formal study if it's to be done
> > > properly & time not wasted.
> > I'd be interested in learning this as well! Would you be interested in
> > doing a workshop on this at anytime?
> That's a possibility but not for a while as I'm fairly busy ATM;
> doing a bit of DB design and table normalisation is one thing but
> organising some sort of coherent workshop for school users is another!
> BTW, what would everybody be interested in implementing with regards a
> web-based DB? Are there any OSS projects out there for schools that
> meet their needs? If not why not? What about commercially available
> software? etc.
> During the long winter nights I wouldn't mind putting something
> together, GPL of course, then perhaps organise a workshop.
Replacement for SIMS :-) Bit of a big project though! Mind if we had a few
people each doing a bit it might be possible. If there was an Open Source
replacement for SIMS most schools wouldn't need Windows for admin. computers.
Might be possible to get some grants to support such a project.
The October issue of Linux format has abilty office www.ability.com
and Microsoft import tools.
The linux version is being ported using wine, statically linked something,
Anyway it's described as a alpha version of the commercial software, so I
guess it's not GPL, however I guess it would still work out cheaper tham MS
office and the licencing would be far easier to understand.
While on the subject of this the same issue has kylix open edition, a
version of kylix for developing open source software, this again may be of
interest to schools.
Hope this helps.
On the subject of the wish list, Would it be better to
a) add some software to the Linuxjournal wish list or
as most is likely to be UK school specific, add it to the suse site, or even
something like the main uk linux site,
what do you think?
A quick note about prolog, there are a few ports of this to Linux, so
check out the RPM repository as I think it's listed there.
I figured this may be of interest
LINUX Educational Needs Posting Pages.
The project which allows local Linux experts to register seems interesting.
Partly as once this is up and running schools should have access to
information on people who can help.
On a more Anti-M$ note
> If your comments relate specifically to the Antitrust
> Division's suit against
> Microsoft Corporation, please direct your correspondence to
Let them know how Microsoft treats school here in the UK,
Outlook express keeps deleting my newsgroup settings, I have subscribed to
a few groups and check a few times a week, I switch on the computer today,
and there are no groups listed where they are normally under
I am using Windows 98 and am just waiting for rhl 7.2 and some more funds
for hardware so I can get rid of this microsoft garbage and install Linux.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> > BTW, what would everybody be interested in implementing
> with regards a
> > web-based DB? Are there any OSS projects out there for schools that
> > meet their needs? If not why not? What about commercially available
> > software? etc.
You should be aware that there is a subscription based group called
HMC_ICT(a)yahoogroups.com where IT departments in private schools have
discussed this very topic - the idea being to provide an open-source
alternative to Sims/MENtor etc.
Many boarding schools use such packages, and almost all of them dislike them
You should also know that Capita (who own sims/mentor) are producing a web
interface to a new school database - it's being announced in November or
December and will be available in the Summer. Allegedly.
There was a flurry of activity on the topic but it has gone quiet. I think
some people in the group may be working on it.
Do you want me to prod?
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Thanks for all the replies..obviously I'm not an isolated case.
I think I'll have a shot at the mysql and php (about time I done some
scripting again, instead of having to make sure they've tried plugging the
thing in before calling me!).
Thankfully time (for implementation) is not a pressing issue (YET) Any
suggestions for getting to grips with learning the above are most welcome.
I've already ordered a book.
Going off subject anybody got an 1.4 AMD Athlon?
According to the Chip ID number it's suitable for a 266Mhz FSB.
Is this speed achieved by 14x100 or 10.5x133 or am I up the wrong tree
Thanks again for your help.
Ysgol Glanymor School
This software wishlist site is at
then click on wishlist on the side menu, look under education and reader
rabbit is listed, (which we use at the school I help out at).
This could be a good place to add software as schools can add votes and
direct companie to the site, so they can see for themselves the demand for
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