Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes:
> I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a
> message to say hello and introduce yourselves.
If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red
swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article,
where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-)
I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am
responsible for producing the Debian official CD images:
I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've
been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers
(which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly
contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian
(which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since
1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise''
such a thing.
For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a
world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing
lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD
distribution) and gives it away.
Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it
produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the
machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather
than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for).
This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about:
which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software
Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from.
My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to
OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection
at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary
host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying
etc. as well.
Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE
list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-)
would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational
Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for
a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for
anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for
money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs
pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested.
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Just got this in the post today. Thought I would pass it on
(made me smile ... and who knows ... you may have some
budding technical kids who may be interested ...)
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: REQUEST FOR HELP!
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:24:56 +0000
From: Alex Dundas <alex(a)princess.uk.com>
I am writing in the hope that you might be able to help me!
I am currently producing a new day-time television show for the BBC hosted
by Ruby Wax and I am looking for technically gifted children under the age
of ten/eleven who might be interested in taking part. If you could spare a
couple of minutes to read this email I would be extremely grateful!
"Life With Ruby" is a new day-time television show hosted by Ruby Wax
looking at life in the 21st century and how to survive it. At times
light-hearted, at times extremely serious, "Life With Ruby" looks at the
subjects that reflect the viewers¹ interests life and love, health and
fitness, family and friendship, money and careers.
In one of the key features of the programme, Ruby focusses on gifted
children with a technical streak. Why is it these days that anyone over the
age of 40 is made to feel stupid when a five year-old explains to them how
to set their video to record East Enders¹ four times a week, or shows them
how to surf the net in 30 seconds flat to order their shopping?
"Whizz Kids" features clever children who know how to programme videos, surf
the internet, build web-sites, programme mobile phones, write computer
programmes etc. Each piece will feature a clued up kid explaining a
new-fangled technical concept to an older relative or friend!
In keeping with the overall nature of the show, this feature will be fun and
light-hearted. We are looking for a wide range of children PREFERABLY UNDER
THE AGE OF TEN/ELEVEN (and accompanying adults!) who might enjoy taking part
in this show.
I wondered whether you would be able to help me in finding children that
might be interested in this through your organisation.
Our dead-line on this is fairly tight as we record our first programme on
Friday 14th December and finish in mid-January!
If you do know of anyone please do not hesitate to contact me on the address
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In the old days when Microsoft at least pretended to use Java, it required a
digital certificate before a Java app could access your local files. You had
to agree to a BT certificate (of whoever was your EDI provider). This is
the way things still are under Java, providing controllable access to local
We have all rehearsed the reasons why ActivX is bad technology, as iare many
of the scripting services. Unfortunately it's got nothing to do with the
law. You might rephrase your question:
If webexchange requires activX to be given access to the local drive, what
step are WebExchange taking to ensure that the door remains remains closed
when they're not accessing files?
The answer will of course be a proverbial lemon. And that's where you may
be able to have them. However, their response will simply be that if you
don't like the product, try another. This comes under the heading of
'identifying the needs of the user'. Not unfortunately 'identifying with'.
*ALL* browsers support Java 2 with the correct Sun support installed. But
that requires more R&D than ActivX, given Microsoft's current and still
hardening attitude to Java.
> > > as stated in the Requirements, WebXchange requires Internet Explorer 4
> > > greater. The reason is explained on the Support page:
> > > Q: Why can't I use the Netscape web browser?
> > > A: WebXchange uses Microsoft's Active-X technology to allow the
> > > transfer of files from and to your computer hard drive, which Netscape
> > > browsers do not natively support.
> > Any thoughts?
> How about:
> "Dear Mr Moran,
> Personally, I prefer to avoid using web technologies that can
> transparently transfer files from and to my computer's hard drive. Some
> computers that I use hold information that is confidential, such as
> medical details, and I would be violating various laws if I were not to
> take reasonable precautions to protect this information.
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Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk.
thought you guys/gals might be interested in this little conversation of
mine regarding the transfer of exam entry data via edi with dialnet :-
From: Alan Harris [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: 27 November 2001 12:43
Subject: Dialnet EDT Service
I've just tried to access your information site with netscape 4.7
which failed to download your page properly, I can access the page with
Mozilla and StarOffice. The School does not run Internet Explorer.
Before I commit to your edt service and download any files can you
confirm that your edt service will work properly without Internet
Explorer being installed....
-----reply from dialnet-----
> Subject: RE: Dialnet EDT Service
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:06:40 -0000
> From: "Moran, Gary" <Gary.Moran(a)dialnet.co.uk>
> To: "'alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk'" <alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk>
> as stated in the Requirements, WebXchange requires Internet Explorer 4 or
> greater. The reason is explained on the Support page:
> Q: Why can't I use the Netscape web browser?
> A: WebXchange uses Microsoft's Active-X technology to allow the transparent
> transfer of files from and to your computer hard drive, which Netscape
> browsers do not natively support.
> And to expand on this, although we could achieve this using alternative
> technology that would be "Netscape friendly", there is no commercial
> incentive for us to pursue this. Since the service has been available (March
> 2000 in beta), yours is only the third inquiry concerning Netscape
> The WebXchange web site's external pages lists the general requirements, and
> the specific requirements of the active x component (under Downloads). In
> general your browser must be running on an IBM compatible PC under a 32bit
> Windows OS (95, 98, 2000, XP, NT4). Your browser must support DHTML for the
> WebXchange menu, and must support Active X components.
> Regards, Gary
> Gary Moran
> Technical Services
> DIALnet plc
> +44 (0)121 624 5059
Any one know of a suitable alternative - BT Connect no longer offer this
service and I'd rather avoid an encounter with RM if possible....
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Fax : 01554 758255
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We use a SUSE system here to archive spectra collected from NMR spectrometers.
We therefore need to serve out the data for some of our users via the web (local users can use file sharing).
Each spectrum is saved as a directory contained a fair number of files.
Is there a method of archiving directories on the fly, and serving the result as a single archive file (which could be decompressed by the client's web browser).
The ideal would be to compress into a "sit" archive because most clients would be Macintoshes.
Is there some other way to download a complete directory with basically a single click?
Thanks for your feedback.
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University of St. Andrews, St. Andrews, Fife, KY16 9ST
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appologies for those of you on both lists (I know there are a few of you),
but this was posted to the WYLUG (http://www.wylug.org.uk) list by Jim
Jackson. I thought there may be a few on this list that may be able to help.
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Andrea Mountain wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam
> I am an undergraduate student at the University of Central Lancashire
> studying Business Information Systems and Mathematics. As part of my
> Honours degree, I must undertake a research project. The project concerns
> the use of IT and implementation of Linux (if any) in UK schools.
> Is anyone teaching using Linux or open source based software?
> Are there any schools, which use open source based software for
> administration purposes?
> I am also finding difficulty in locating any information within the
> electronic catalogues. Can anyone help me with any pointers concerning
> this project?
> Yours faithfully,
> Andrea Mountain
> BSc BIS and Mathematics
> Department of Business Information Management
> University of Central Lancashire
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I have just installed Suse 7.3 and found that while internet dial up worked
great, I got a host not found error in the web browser, anyway I managed
to fix it and decided to post the fix to the group so others may benefit.
The message given when clicking on internet dialer which told me I needed a
/etc/resolv.conf file with the appropriate permissions. I was told to ask my
system admin to do this, (this is great if the user is in a establishment
where there is one, but for home users and beginners it can cause a slight
I created this (as root), and tried again and the problem was still there,
looking at the permissions I had
-rw-r--r-- with the owner as root.
so I decided to change this to -rw-rw-rw or if right clicking on the file
and looking at the table it now gives.
Class read write exec
user x x
group x x
others x x
(this should be chmod 666 resolv.conf)
this now seems to work, just by adding write permission to group and
I am using the konquror browser, and can now look at web pages.
I hope this is of help to anyone in the group who may be experiencing
Um...it's like this...
It's fixed, but I don't see the connection between
solution and problem.
I get my hostname from DHCP. I put in the name that my
computer is always assigned by DHCP from NTL broadband
into /etc/hosts. Luckily I am always assigned the same
IP (so that's fixed information too)!
Surely there's another way? Isn't there some doohicky
that adds this data each boot? What if my IP changed
AND what on earth does this have to do with GDM not
working, and why did KDM work all the way through?
Someone please muster an explanation. I'm glad it
works, but I'm trying to learn about how this all
Obviously a big thanks for all those who offered
advice. The localhost 127.0.0.1 contribution set me a
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Then an error messagee: localhost rejected client, or
/etc/hosts does have the necessary loopback device
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