November 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Red Hat Proposals
by Paul Munro 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

A couple of people here have been passing comments about the Red Hat offer to schools in the US I first read about these two nights ago whilst surfing, and passing by the Red Hat site (as I do often). I read the article there from a speech given by Red Hat and was amazed that they had stuck their necks out like this--an excellent way of showing Microsoft's settlement agreement for what it truly is--fluff with added bonus for themselves. Yes- it would be great if SuSE would do the same here and in the US; it would also be ideal if the "big" players in hardware would step in--especially those who apparently support Open Source software, like IBM, Compaq, HP, Sun. However, I would be very surprised if this happened, given that the likes of IBM consistently fail to offer their hardware very publicly at all with Linux installed or as an option (I got their catalogue today...not a word about Linux). "Hats" off to Red Hat, and here's hoping that MS are made red over this one!! Paul

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FW: [seul-edu] (FWD) Red Hat Proposes Alternative to Microsoft se ttlement
by Chris Puttick 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Maybe SUSE should be doing something similar in NHS/Microsoft case... -----Original Message----- From: Roger Dingledine To: seul-edu(a)seul.org Sent: 11/21/01 1:00 AM Subject: [seul-edu] (FWD) Red Hat Proposes Alternative to Microsoft settlement It's really a shame that Microsoft is going to get away with further extending its monopoly as part of its "punishment". Ah well, --Roger ----- Forwarded message from "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> ----- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:07:00 -0800 Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Doug Masson <dmasson(a)WELL.COM> Subject: Red Hat Proposes Alternative to Microsoft settlement I thought this was a nice piece of public relations from Red Hat: Subject: Red Hat proposes Alternative to Microsoft Settlement Red Hat Proposes to Enhance Microsoft Settlement Offer By Providing Open Source Software to All U.S. School Districts RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C., Nov 20, 2001 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Open Source leader proposes to provide software to every school district in the United States if Microsoft provides computing hardware for the 14,000 poorest school districts Red Hat, Inc. (Nasdaq:RHAT) today proposed an alternative to the settlement announced today of the class-action lawsuit against Microsoft. Red Hat offered to provide open-source software to every school district in the United States free of charge, encouraging Microsoft to redirect the money it would have spent on software into purchasing more hardware for the 14,000 poorest school districts. Under the Red Hat proposal, by removing Microsoft's higher-priced software from the settlement equation, Microsoft could provide the school districts with many more computers--greatly extending the benefits Microsoft seeks to provide school districts with their proposed settlement. Microsoft had proposed that, in settlement of class-action claims of price-gouging, the company donate computer hardware, software and support to 14,000 poor school districts throughout the United States. Under the proposed settlement, a substantial part of the value provided to schools would be in the form of Microsoft software. The Red Hat's alternative proposal includes the following: -- Microsoft redirects the value of their proposed software donation to the purchase of additional hardware for the school districts. This would increase the number of computers available under the original proposal from 200,000 to more than one million, and would increase the number of systems per school from approximately 14 to at least 70. -- Red Hat, Inc. will provide free of charge the open-source Red Hat Linux operating system, office applications and associated capabilities to any school system in the United States. -- Red Hat will provide online support for the software through the Red Hat Network. -- Unlike the Microsoft proposal, which has a five-year time limit at which point schools would have to pay Microsoft to renew their licenses and upgrade the software, the Red Hat proposal has no time limit. Red Hat will provide software upgrades through the Red Hat Network online distribution channel. A Win-Win Approach The Red Hat proposal achieves two important goals: improving the quality and accessibility of computing education in the nation's less-privileged schools, and preventing the extension of Microsoft's monopoly to the most-vulnerable users. "While we applaud Microsoft for raising the idea of helping poorer schools as part of the penalty phase of their conviction for monopolistic practices, we do not think that the remedy should be a mechanism by which Microsoft can further extend its monopoly," said Matthew Szulik, CEO of Red Hat. "Through this proposal all of the states and all of the schools can win, and Microsoft will achieve even greater success for its stated goal of helping schools. By providing schools with a software choice, Red Hat will enable Microsoft to provide many more computers to these schools. At the same time, the schools can accept this offer secure in the knowledge that they have not rewarded a monopolist by extending the monopoly. It's now up to Microsoft to demonstrate that they are truly serious about helping our schools." General information about Red Hat's support for education is available at www.redhat.com/opensourcenow/. ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see http://www.lawlists.net/cyberia Off-Topic threads: http://www.lawlists.net/mailman/listinfo/cyberia-ot Need more help? Send mail to: Cyberia-L-Request(a)listserv.aol.com ********************************************************************** --- end forwarded text

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: Health Service MS deal
by Ian 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 07:14, you wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Mark Evans wrote: > > > As such, the principle of solidarity (i.e. that fact that the services > > > available to a person under the NHS bear no relationship to the amount > > > (if any) contributed by that person to the NHS by way of taxes or > > > National Insurance contributions) and the fact that the body in > > > question fulfils a purely social function is central to the question as > > > to whether or not that body is an undertaking. > > > As such, whether this might involve the purchase of, say, a renal > > > dialysis machine or the necessary computer software services required > > > for the general purpose of helping to run the NHS is irrelevant if the > > > purpose in both cases is to facilitate the overall objective of the NHS > > > - the provision of free healthcare services to society as a whole." > > > > But would this principle of "solidarity" not mean that there > > is a duty on the NHS to ensure that it spends money carefully. > > So as to maximise heathcare provision. > > I think that this is more relevant to the National Audit Office than the > OFT. Investigating value for money is definitely outside the OFT's remit, > whereas it is reasonable to expect them to investigate possible > anti-competitive deals. > > Didn't someone contact the NAO on the value for money issue? What was the > result? I did and I gat a reply recently which basically said they though the procedures followed were OK but then seemed to ignore their own guidance! I sent a reply and copied the lot to the Register. If anyone wants a copy I can post it here or send it by E-mail. I'm not particularly surprised. This is a long war of attrition so we need to keep plugging away and not be satisfied with answers that don't stand up to teast against their own criteria. -- IanL Open Source - save money - employ more teachers Use Star Office the free replacement for Microsoft Office -------------------------------------------------------

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Strategies?
by tom poe 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Hi: Yesterday, I went over to the Parks and Recreation Rec Center at one of the city parks, and introduced myself. I indicated that I wanted to place 2 donated computers in their care, and to help them start a "Computer Club". The Plan is to put the computers in the Rec Center, and eventually build a "Computer Club" using volunteers from the local groups, e.g., Perl Users' group, LUG, etc. Anyone done anything similar, and, if so, how did it go? Suggestions? Thanks, Tom

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Re: Test
by Ruben Safir 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] config file
by [VL]Sparkz 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

yes please anything (scripts or advice ) to make life easier for an under paid school techy is welcomed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Adam" <thomas_adam16(a)yahoo.com> To: "postmaster" <sparkz(a)breathemail.net> Cc: <admin2(a)users.purbeck.dorset.sch.uk> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] config file > --- postmaster <sparkz(a)breathemail.net> wrote: > > sorry m8 maybe i missed it ,or just a bit slow. > > hehe. > > where do i get the asp script from. > > You'll have to ask Dave Turnbull for that. My ASP > scripting capabilities are non-existant. I always > handled the filtering/processing side of the Linux > proxying. > > By the way, are you interested in a script that will > process the "/etc/access.log"??? > > Or even a remote way of adding banned URLS to your > filtering files via e-mail???? I think it still > works....?!? > > --Thomas Adam > > ===== > Thomas Adam > > "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- www.linuxgazette.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com >

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config file
by [VL]Sparkz 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

hi guys heres an easy one for you. at the moment my config file for squidguard is like so dbhome /usr/local/squidGuard/db logdir /usr/local/squidGuard/log dest itsok { urllist itsok/urls domainlist itsok/domains expressionlist itsok/expressions } dest porn { domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest mylist { domainlist mylist/domains urllist mylist/urls expressionlist mylist/expressions } dest ads { domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls expressionlist ads/expressions } acl { default { pass itsok !porn !mylist all redirect http://localhost/banned.html } } this bans porn, bans mylist and bans ads but lets through itsok even if on banned list. what i want to do is have a different redirect for porn , mylist and ads, so that if goin to a porn site they are sent to http://localhost/porn.html and when they go to mylist they are sent to http://localhost/mylist.html and when they go to ads they ar redirect to http://localhost/banned.html at the moment they are just sent to http://localhost/banned.html for all banned sites. all ideas are welcome and thanks guys your doin a great job.

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Re: Health Service MS deal
by Frank Shute 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

Michael Brown wrote: > People following this thread might be interested to read a page on the > DTI's web site that states: > > an "undertaking" means any entity which is engaged in economic > activities. It does not have to be profit-making so long as the > activity carried out is one which in principle has commercial > competitors. Charities, universities, research institutions and > voluntary entities may be caught within the meaning of "undertaking" if > they carry out economic activities. The concept of "undertaking" > embraces public sector as well as private sector entities. > > Now, the NHS "in principle" has commercial competitors in the form of > private health-care providers, doesn't it? This would lend credence to an > argument that the NHS *is* an undertaking, full stop. > > I have e-mailed the DTI asking for clarification of the above paragraph. Very much a case of `gotcha'. The OFT is arguing against what the DTI states in black & white is the case. I agree with Nigel regards submitting it to Slashdot. The Register is also worth considering - they quite enjoy bashing MS and the government in no particular order. First it's best to wait for a response from the OFT and then perhaps write it up and mirror it on a few sites or otherwise the one-site will get `slashdotted'. Happy to use my site for the purposes. -- Frank *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Boroughbridge. Tel: 01423 323019 --------- PGP keyID: 0xC0B341A3 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/

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grep o/p re: Cygnus
by James & Cybèle 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Here is the grep o/p as suggested. So what does this tell me about my problems setting up Cygnus????!!! James Carter > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > root 303 0.0 0.3 5660 792 ? S Nov01 0:00 /opt/kde/bin/kdm > root 21516 0.0 0.1 1912 360 ? S Nov09 0:00 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25 > root 6811 0.0 2.6 25888 6740 ? S Nov16 0:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt07 -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-0xbLYZ >

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Print servers
by Rob Keeling 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I am trying to reuse some old 486 machines as standard Lpr Print servers. I have located various floppy disc distributions of Linux which are supposed to do this, however the most promising one didn`t use DHCP, which was going to be a problem. Has anyone done this, if so which distribution etc? Any info greatly appreciated! Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne

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