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Pam_mount on SuSe 9.1
by Rob Keeling 06 May '05

06 May '05

I am trying to install SuSE 9.1 as a workstation in a NT 4 Domain network. The default suse 9.1 install installed winbind etc, and configured them allowing me to log on to ssh with a NT username and password. I now want to configure pam_mount to mount a subdirectory of the unix home directory as the NT home directory. I had configured this on an old SuSE 8.1 box, so I think /etc/pam_mount.conf should be OK. However, having added auth and session lines for pam_mount into /etc/pam.d/sshd I can only get to the stage that in /var/log/messages I see pam_mount: error trying to retrieve authtok from auth code How do I enable pam_mount? My /etc/pam.d/sshd file is as follows #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_unix2.so set_secrpc auth required pam_nologin.so auth required pam_env.so auth optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass account required pam_unix2.so account required pam_nologin.so password required pam_pwcheck.so password required pam_unix2.so use_first_pass use_authtok session required pam_unix2.so # trace or debug session required pam_limits.so session optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass # Enable the following line to get resmgr support for # ssh sessions (see /usr/share/doc/packages/resmgr/README.SuSE) #session optional pam_resmgr.so fake_ttyname Thanks Rob Keeling -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. - Douglas Adams

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Bett Show
by Joanna Harris 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Heres one to munch your brains on......since going to Bett 2003 (and the previous two) my partner and I have wanted to take....my Linux Schools project (www.linuxschools.org.uk not available at the moment but hosting says I have been given to the admin!!) and Swadelands school where he ICT-Coordinates to the Bett show basically a look what you can do without spending thousands!! Passed the headmistress etc, but one problem....just checked the costs...£310 per sq metre...thats alot.... Basically I'm asking for ideas to raise that money....this is not a prority for the school obviously! and I'm not sure if any companies would listen...sponsorship way. help?!? lol Jo

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Re: WELCOME to suse-schools-usa@suse.com
by KennV 27 May '04

27 May '04

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List Alive?
by Liam Marshall 26 May '04

26 May '04

I have yet to receive a post from this group yet it is the one that interests me the most of the Suse lists. Is it just that no one has anything to say? I am switching the entire lab here at school over to Suse 9.1 and would have liked some input/comments/suggestions

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Re: [suse-schools-usa] List Alive?
by Jim Parkhurst 26 May '04

26 May '04

Sounds like a supervisor is imprinted with the Microsoft Method of .... Locate a local LINUX user group to see how they compare Windoze to LINUX. You will find a number of similarities. Then there is NOVELL who purchased XIMIAN in 2002 and SUSE in 2003. XIMIAN does a slick desktop and interfaces to Outlook. Then there's KNOPPIX. A fully functional LINUX on a CD (I and a number of folks use KNOPPIX as a diagnostic tool). The CD boots and mounts existing drives as READONLY. So you can use the supplied OpenOffice to access existing DOC, XLS, and PPT files. You can also run the browser to access the network/internet. Oh, and have fun! --- Jim Parkhurst Systems Analyst III Security Automation Support Texas Department of Transportation Maintenance Division Automation Support jparkhur(a)dot.state.tx.us Voice : 512.416.3219 Pager : 512.606.9774 FAX : 512.416.3044 >>> Rob Andrews <rob(a)jam.rr.com> 05/26/2004 06:17 >>> I'd also forgotten I was on the list. I'm a Network Engineer at a company that installs and supports computer networks in schools and universities in the SouthEast U.S. I'm looking out for ways to bring linux into the schools, but my boss won't let me discuss it with the customers because he's afraid it will leave them with the impression that I don't have full confidence in the other software we install and support. I've already had one customer ask if I can produce a working demo of a linux solution that would work in the TechPrep labs they have. I'm not sure if anyone on the list is familiar with labs such as Computer Discovery, Career Discovery, TechPrep, Technology Applications, etc., but if anyone knows how to implement these in whole or in part using SuSe, I've got at least one school who'd like to see it. And if I can provide one solid lead (generated by customer request, so the boss should be happy with that), I'll have something I can take to the boss. He's already said it's OK to do some R&D with regard to linux as long as it doesn't interfere with the current business we're doing. I can understand where he's coming from. He just wants to make a profit and avoid spooking the current customer base. -Rob -- To unsubscribe, email: suse-schools-usa-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, email: suse-schools-usa-help(a)suse.com For help, email: suse-schools-usa-owner(a)suse.com

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Suse 9.1
by Alan Davies 26 May '04

26 May '04

Just installed/ upgraded to Suse9.1 Not sure how much of it is due to product improvement or my expertise growing.. but it did seem to go well. Two network cards...NAT with masquerading, remote telnet access, remote xdm access, etc. Hoped samba 3 would give better functionality and it looked promising when I tried to join our existing NT domain. However, browsing finds the windows network, and our domains, and the stations - but falls over after I get challenged for username and password. Anyone had windbind working on this? Still can't get PC stations to connect to POP3 or IMAP on the LInux box - refusing the username and password. TV card recognised - but seems to cause a lockup when you try to use it. -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Digest to catch up?
by Liam Marshall 25 May '04

25 May '04

I am interested specifically in suse for schools as I am changing my lab over to a 100% Suse environment. I would like to lurk for a while and maybe catch up on the topics. To that end I would like to know if there is a digest of past posts. Fetching messages 123-14x from the help request does not seem practical as I do not know how many messages there have been. Help greatly appreciated

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RE: [suse-schools-usa] List Alive?
by Ben Higginbottom 25 May '04

25 May '04

>I have yet to receive a post from this group yet it is the one that >interests me the most of the Suse lists. > >Is it just that no one has anything to say? The UK schools list is much more active and has posters from all over the show, prehaps that will be of more help to you. regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse 9.1
by Paul Jensen 25 May '04

25 May '04

What program are you using to connect to the POP3/IMAP accounts? Is it Kmail or Evolution? >From: "Alan Davies" <staff.asd(a)birkenhead.wirral.sch.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse 9.1 >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:39:07 +0100 > >Just installed/ upgraded to Suse9.1 >Not sure how much of it is due to product improvement or my expertise growing.. >but it did seem to go well. > >Two network cards...NAT with masquerading, remote telnet access, remote xdm access, etc. > >Hoped samba 3 would give better functionality and it looked promising when I tried to join our >existing NT domain. However, browsing finds the windows network, and our domains, and the stations - but falls over after I get challenged for username and password. Anyone had windbind working on this? > >Still can't get PC stations to connect to POP3 or IMAP on the LInux box - refusing the username and password. > >TV card recognised - but seems to cause a lockup when you try to use it. > >-- >Alan Davies >Head of Computing >Birkenhead School _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Becta v's Becta
by Malcolm Herbert 24 May '04

24 May '04

you may have already seen this, but have a look at www.becta.org :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dr Malcolm Herbert Principal Consultant GPS, Red Hat Europe m: +44 7720 079845 w: people.redhat.com/mherbert GPG ID: C051F446 GPG FPR: 68AD CBDD 8EEB 63ED 0802 4B8E A5B3 EB72 C051 F446 -----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by G.Harris 20 May '04

20 May '04

> To everyone, thank you for your comments so far, they're been very > helpful. > > How many of you think it would be a good idea to get SuSE to setup a web > site where useful information on deploying and using Linux for both home > users and organisations is provided, thus making it easier to work with > this > stuff? Been hoping for that for some time. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by Matt Johnson 18 May '04

18 May '04

> > This technique failed to work with StarOffice - > certainly it didn't work > here, we had to do client installs. Not too much of > an issue, but a > nuisance. If it works with OpenOffice (and we > haven't moved yet, will do > soon), that will be very helpful. What version? I assume SO6? How strange. I'm thinking if there was anything else I did to get it working... 1. A "net" install to a world readable folder (server) 2. Ran the setup *from* that world readable folder as a user. During this install I installed to the user's home directory > MyWork > AppData (yes, it's RM 2.4 for those who recognise "MyWork"). It shouldn't make any difference as long as it's somewhere sensible in their home directory. Mandatory profiles could possibly hose this up (?) - this would need to checked as the OO user folder would be part of the user profile? Hmmm. 3. Used OO.o as that user to make sure all was well. Could setup up settings you want to roll out at this point I reckon. 4. Copied the sversion.ini file from the home directory too. This needs to be copied into all users. Found this file in AppData here. Copied to everyone's AppData. 5. Copied the OO.o user directory from the user I setup with to all users (in my case - just all users in Year 5 - but that's because I teach a year 5 class and wanted to see what happened first!). We've been using draw for 3 weeks and all's well. Very well. It's flippin' brilliant. We do get an occasional message regarding simultaneous use of the user files. This is odd because each user has their own copy. It appears to make no difference whatsoever, and I've only seen the message twice in three weeks across 84 users. > > The size of the folder to be copied is also an > important factor. > Yes - was very important here too. Still is important as we haven't put it across 600 users. The manual claims more needed than seems to be actually used. It's less than 2mb per user here. Allow for just over 3mb in the manual if my memory serves. ***But the convenience of not having to install on any clients is a dream come true.*** The kids in Year 5 can use it on any computer. I just dropped an shortcut to the .exe located in *their AppData folder* onto the Year 5 desktop. Maybe this is an important point? They run it from their folder. I would stress these are W98 clients. XP problems were mentioned earlier on this list. I've not had time to experiment... Hope this helps. -- Matt ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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Squid Problems!
by Rob Keeling 17 May '04

17 May '04

I am having two problems with squid, I thought I had set things correctly, but it appears not! We use EMBC as our isp, so all non local traffic must pass through proxy.embc.org.uk, with local traffic not being routed externally. I have tried to do this with the config below, but with two problems. Local domain traffic is still routed to proxy.embc.org.uk We keep getting Dead parent cache errors, with all internet access blocked (as we don`t allow direct connections), this lasts for a minute or so and then clears. I have tried increasing the parent cache timeouts with no sucess. The question is what am I doing wrong? I have attached my full squid config, I am sure someone will spot the bloomer! Thanks for any advice. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School /etc/squid/squid.conf http_port 81 icp_port 0 cache_peer proxy.embc.org.uk parent 80 0 no-query default connect-timeout=300 cache_peer 213.249.157.48 parent 80 0 no-query connect-timeout=300 acl alld dst 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl localip dst 10.4.172.0/255.255.253.0 acl localdns dstdomain .queenelizabeths.derbyshire.sch.uk acl localhostd dst 127.0.0.1 never_direct allow alld always_direct allow localip localdns localhostd dead_peer_timeout 300 seconds acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? no_cache deny QUERY peer_connect_timeout 300 seconds acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl manager proto cache_object acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 acl SSL_ports port 443 563 acl Safe_ports port 80 # http acl Safe_ports port 21 # ftp acl Safe_ports port 443 563 # https, snews acl Safe_ports port 70 # gopher acl Safe_ports port 210 # wais acl Safe_ports port 1025-65535 # unregistered ports acl Safe_ports port 280 # http-mgmt acl Safe_ports port 488 # gss-http acl Safe_ports port 591 # filemaker acl Safe_ports port 777 # multiling http acl CONNECT method CONNECT http_access allow manager localhost http_access deny manager http_access deny !Safe_ports http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports http_access allow localhost http_access allow all icp_access allow all httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on append_domain .queenelizabeths.derbyshire.sch.uk -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. - Douglas Adams

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid Problems!
by Thomas Adam 17 May '04

17 May '04

--- Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Rob Keeling <rob(a)rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > We keep getting Dead parent cache errors, with all internet access > > blocked (as we don`t allow direct connections), > > this lasts for a minute or so and then clears. I have tried increasing > > the parent cache timeouts with no sucess. > > > > The question is what am I doing wrong? > > You did not attach the error message. My powers of telepathy are weak at > the best of time, but guessing games I cannot play. > > Dead Parent cache can mean anything, since it relates to a number of > issues. I suspect though that it might be the result of a protcol and/or > a > firewall issue, assuming you have one. Hmm, seems half my message was truncated. I did go on to say.... If you use a "cache_peer", which becomes unreachable, then you'll get that error message, Rob. Normally though, this can happen when the parent becomes overloaded. If this is the case then you'll need a second parent. If the parent you're using does not use ICP, then you *will* need to set the "no-query" option for the cache_peer. As to why you get your error every minute is to do with the way squid tries to reactivate the proxy. There is a timeout of one minute hard-coded in the source which cannot be optionally changed unless you change the source. -- Thomas Adam ===== "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net "<shrug> We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] MIS
by Grainge, Derek 17 May '04

17 May '04

>Personally, I strongly dislike SIMS, but what things >make it "development software"? > & the quarterly 'patches' which turn out to be fairly major upgrades. The early worms are giving it the bird it seems. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Ben Higginbottom 17 May '04

17 May '04

>There's also Xray for physics type things. I am not so sure about >biology, though. Theres also a few other toys, such as for drawing feynmann diagrams but most scientific programs are highly specialised or ridiculosly powerful, such as MatLab that Octave cant even be compared to. >At least the frequency has been turned down. :) Well the list has been quiet :) Regards, Ben

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Take up?
by Phil Thane 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello, I've been monitoring the SuSE schools linux discussions for about a year. Some of the group know TechSoft, Ed Lea and Chris Puttick tested our (Windows) Design Tools software under WINE last year, very successfully. At present we don't produce a Linux version, but I'm keeping an eye on progress of Linux in schools in case we have to revise our position. Does anyone know how many schools use Linux? And what they use it for, ie admin or curriculum or both, and exclusively or in a mixed environment? (Talking of mixed environments, I use SuSE at home, but run Win 98 under Netraverse's Win4Lin for the other half who is wedded to her MS Apps. They do a network version, does anyone use that in schools? ) What is the general feeling about non-gpl software for Linux? Our software is written in C++ and as I understand it, not being a programmer, it could be re-compiled (with some effort) but we're never going to be giving it away. Our business model is we sell software (and CNC machines) then provide free tech support, sometimes for decades. Changing to free software and expensive support would seriously upset our established customers. School budgets being the strange things they are you could almost guarantee that when something goes wrong, or new, in-experienced staff arrive and need help, there is nothing in the 'support' budget. Our way means that once the budget has been approved and the software and kit bought, that's it. It may be old-fashioned but it works for us, and seems to suit our customers. Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager TechSoft UK Ltd. Falcon House Royal Welch Avenue Bodelwyddan Denbighshire LL18 5TY UK Phone (+44) (0) 1745 535007 Fax (+44) (0) 1745 535008 Email phil(a)techsoftuk.co.uk Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager TechSoft UK Ltd. Falcon House Royal Welch Avenue Bodelwyddan Denbighshire LL18 5TY UK Phone (+44) (0) 1745 535007 Fax (+44) (0) 1745 535008 Email phil(a)techsoftuk.co.uk

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Crocodile Clips
by Joanna Harris 17 May '04

17 May '04

Does anyone know of an alternative to crocodile clips, have looked everywhere even on the old posts on the SuSe mailing list to no avail. Many Thanks Jo

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Chris Puttick 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hi Jo Welcome out of "lurk" mode! Both information about Crocodile Clips and for info about using open source solutions in schools can be found at SchoolForge UK: http://schoolforge.org.uk (do join and help where you can) Crocodile Clips is not easy to replace in schools as it is very specialised, so instead it has been tested (and is used in Linux schools) on the Wine (http://winehq.org) application layer and found to work pretty much perfectly. Let us know what else the list can help with! Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Joanna Harris [mailto:jo@sharrad.co.uk] Sent: Wed 5/12/2004 7:13 PM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Cc: Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips Does anyone know of an alternative to crocodile clips, have looked everywhere even on the old posts on the SuSe mailing list to no avail. Many Thanks Jo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] LEAs and FLOSS
by Richard Smedley 14 May '04

14 May '04

Robert J Gautier wrote: > > We have put FLOSS-based servers in for Ceredigion, Worcestershire and > Suffolk. I will try to get you some names of people to speak to, but > in the meantime you might be able to find someone simply by asking for > the respective IT departments. Thanks Bob, Shall we take this off-list? And thanks to Richard R - see you at AFFSAC tomorrow. Cheers, - Richard

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by Paul Jensen 14 May '04

14 May '04

To everyone, thank you for your comments so far, they're been very helpful. How many of you think it would be a good idea to get SuSE to setup a web site where useful information on deploying and using Linux for both home users and organisations is provided, thus making it easier to work with this stuff? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Paul Jensen 14 May '04

14 May '04

Hi Garry. As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps. It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user. Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects. >From: garry saddington <garry(a)joydiv.fsnet.co.uk> >To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:48:56 +0100 > >On Thursday 13 May 2004 12:54 pm, Grainge, Derek wrote: > > Hi Garry > > > > > Web projects are notoriously difficult to get high grades in so why not > > > do a database project instead. > > > > At what level? My GCSE students (as default) would do two projects, Web > > and Modelling, for AQA. I'd direct them AWAY from databases as the work is > > more technical / time-consuming for no great benefit. Most marks come > > from the report covering the project development, and so longs there's a > > reasonable level of content the exam board have no axe to grind. I don't > > agree that web projects are 'notoriously difficult' to get good marks in - > > there's plenty scope. > > > > e.g. a website of 8-12 pages, including text, pictures, perhaps other > > media, and an online form which works. Without the last there are criteria > > (data gathering, validation, outputs) which the project can't satisfy. We > > have a spare web server which my students publish on internally to show > > they have done all of that successfully. Perhaps famous last words, but my > > students have been doing that for some years now without complaint. And > > they get good grades. All of which is jumping through hoops, but > > successful jumping. > > > > I would agree that an A2 ICT student (we do OCR) would almost have to do a > > database. They have to do something reasonably complex - which may come > > from integration of products (eg Web site with database back end), or from > > the complexity of the database & the task itself. I guess an equally > > complex spreadsheet involving multiple data sets with relationships between > > them would be satisfactory. But the board have said they're not > > interested in artificially complex solutions to problems. > > > > Derek > > > > >I was only talking A-level and agree with you on all your comments. I was >trying to suggest that there are other ways that you can adapt in order to >use Linux for teaching. >regards >garry > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

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CAD/CAM & Linux
by Phil Thane 14 May '04

14 May '04

Hello, Following Adrian's and Phil's comments, we are not really in the ProDESKTOP style 3D end of the market, our main program (2D Design) is intended to serve as an intro to CAD/CAM work. It has features you'd expect in say AutoCAD lite (or QCAD) but also some more illustration type features such as Corel (or SodiPodi). The point being that in the average secondary graphics class are children who might want to be engineers, architects, graphic designers, textile designers, etc etc... So we reckon they all need a basic grounding before specialising later. 2D Design also has built-in drivers for the 2D and 2.5D machines we sell so you don't have to get involved in 'post-processing' just make a simple project. The nearest I've seen on Linux is CAM Expert which is a commercial product from the same guy who produces the free QCAD, but ours is simpler to use. 2D Design runs quite happily under Wine, though there are issue printing via CUPS. Ed Lea hacked some new Wine code last year to enable our CAM machines to operate from parallel and serial ports, but I don't know if his code has made it to the official release. Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager, TechSoft UK Ltd.

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LEAs and FLOSS
by Richard Smedley 14 May '04

14 May '04

Hello, I've just rejoined the list after a few years away (I try and keep my volume of e-mail down to sane levels, though it'd be pushing it to ever say that I succeeded =^) Is there anyone on this list from Powys LEA or involved in CardiffSchools.net? I'm writing an article on Free Software use in UK schools, and while I have plenty on school usage and software, I'd like a bit more from LEA-level on attitudes to FLOSS. Thanks, - Richard Smedley

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org]
by Ian Lynch 14 May '04

14 May '04

-- Ian Lynch <ian.lynch(a)zmsl.com> ZMS Ltd

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q1 - Q2
by adrian.wells 14 May '04

14 May '04

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q1 - Q2Hi Chris, Everyone was talking education (it's a school list - I know!) So I thought I'd put everyone straight. If I purchase anything for Sidcot I always try to get an educational discount, you can be sure of that :-) I also have several customers who are entirely disconnected with education and they along with friends and family all get the "Try LINUX" patter from me :-) It's all very well multi nationals sniffing around LINUX, but the small companies will need to take the plunge for things to really move, they employ a huge percentage of the population. I have to say that I >was< one of those who suggested that schools ought to be using what they have at home and the work-place i.e. MS. - If the majarity had been Word Perfect then that would have been my choice; before I'm flamed yet again :-) - However even we ludites can change :-) But this view is still very widely held, even when you point out that by the time Johnny goes to work, the current packages will probably not be in use anyway. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Puttick To: adrian.wells Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q1 - Q2 Thought it was for Sidcot school? Let me know if not, but we should be able to get a discount for most organisations that are primarily educational. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells [mailto:adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk] Sent: Thu 5/13/2004 9:02 AM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Cc: Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q1 - Q2 Hi Guy's & Guyesess Thanks to everyone that replied on and off list - some very good ideas there. So as not to miss-lead, this is for a company not a school - they'll just have to pay more! :-) Kind regards Adrian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server
by adrian.wells 14 May '04

14 May '04

Thanks Andy, I came across netpilot years ago when they started offering a LINUX "web proxy in a box", not kept up to date with them though. It's a shame that their web pages don't work in FireFox! Menu's all over the place :-( I think that in the first instance we'll use a mail forwarding technique and then wean them over to a full LINUX solution. Of course having purchased the existing email server (which does all they want at the moment) they feel that they have something invested in this particular solution even though they only have one user licence left and will need two very shortly :-) I installed a SuSE LAMP box for them last w/e and they're very impressed with the performance, of course moving from 64K ISDN to 512K ADSL had a little to do with it :-) I'm also trying to get them to use LINUX boxes as document servers and get open office onto the desktop. The problem is that this perceived 'investment' persists even when the software or hardware solution no longer works. It's like spending money on an old car, you end up keeping it another year and spend yet more the next time it fails it's MOT. Later Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Spong" <postmaster(a)andyspong.plus.com> To: "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server > Dear Adrian, > It's not Suse but it is Linux, have a look at http://www.netpilot.com, you get > a complete idiot proof linux solution that can be administered either locally > or via any web browser, half an hour should have you up and running.Have a > chat with Steve @ http://www.forlinux.co.uk that's where I bought mine from > and now the headmasters secretary runs the mail server! > Hope this is of some use > > Andy > > On Wednesday 12 May 2004 11:45, adrian.wells wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone recommend a LINUX mail server with a nice GUI front end. > > > > This is to be administered by a local user with no LINUX / little PC > > experience - (I know, dangerous!) > > > > Maybe a web interface would be useful for setting up things like extra > > accounts, alias and list maintenance. > > > > This is to replace an existing "computalynx" mailserver running on Win2000. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Adrian Wells >

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] School use of OpenOffice.org
by Paul Jensen 14 May '04

14 May '04

Out of curiousity, how many of you are currently using OpenOffice.org as the main Office Productivity software in your schools and colleges, and are there any major issues popping up about using this software? I'm at Cass Business School in London, and I'm hoping to expand on this to see how the software would fare for businesses and organisations in London. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Grainge, Derek 13 May '04

13 May '04

> I was only talking A-level and agree with you on all your comments. I was > trying to suggest that there are other ways that you can adapt in order to > use Linux for teaching. I realised you might be referring to A-level, but I'm not sure others in the thread were. Re OCR spec. They don't mention MS Access - they daren't. But every scrap of paper I have seen from the examiners bears its hallmarks. The materials on the Milberry and McWeeney websites and CDs are aimed directly at Access. And these chaps are not unconnected with the exam board. I have had students, one working on Access / asp/ IIS and the other working on mysql / php/ Apache. Either approach is satisfactory to the examiners. The limiting factor is the experience of the teachers rather than exam board expectations. And if a student explains what he's doing, as he should, the moderator doesn't need to understand the technicalities of php. After all, all he's doing is checking that I've done my marking job properly. i.e. by using a web-based front end you make the exam board even happier because you're integrating products: that was my gist. And that opens up a lot of non-windows options. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Grainge, Derek 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hi Garry > Web projects are notoriously difficult to get high grades in so why not do a > database project instead. At what level? My GCSE students (as default) would do two projects, Web and Modelling, for AQA. I'd direct them AWAY from databases as the work is more technical / time-consuming for no great benefit. Most marks come from the report covering the project development, and so longs there's a reasonable level of content the exam board have no axe to grind. I don't agree that web projects are 'notoriously difficult' to get good marks in - there's plenty scope. e.g. a website of 8-12 pages, including text, pictures, perhaps other media, and an online form which works. Without the last there are criteria (data gathering, validation, outputs) which the project can't satisfy. We have a spare web server which my students publish on internally to show they have done all of that successfully. Perhaps famous last words, but my students have been doing that for some years now without complaint. And they get good grades. All of which is jumping through hoops, but successful jumping. I would agree that an A2 ICT student (we do OCR) would almost have to do a database. They have to do something reasonably complex - which may come from integration of products (eg Web site with database back end), or from the complexity of the database & the task itself. I guess an equally complex spreadsheet involving multiple data sets with relationships between them would be satisfactory. But the board have said they're not interested in artificially complex solutions to problems. Derek -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Take up?
by Ben Higginbottom 13 May '04

13 May '04

>What is the general feeling about non-gpl software for Linux? It vary's greatly, there are GPL purists such as Stallman who want everything to be free and pragmatists who belive a person should be able to use any license they want and rate the program in accordance with what it provides rather than the licence it is under, the perfect example would be the bitkeeper cvs system used for kernel development. >Our software is written in C++ and as I understand it, not being a programmer, it >could be re-compiled (with some effort) but we're never going to be giving it >away. Depends very much on the compiler that was used and whether or not it supports cross compilation. Unsurprisingly visual C++ is rather poor in this regard whereas gcc excells. And then you have the issues of the licences of any libraries that were used. If the code followed the C99 standards pretty closely and the coders wrote for flexibility, then there shouldnt be too much of a problem in porting it. >Our business model is we sell software (and CNC machines) then >provide free tech support, sometimes for decades. Changing to free >software and expensive support would seriously upset our established customers. >School budgets being the strange things they are you could almost >guarantee that when something goes wrong, or new, in-experienced staff arrive and >need help, there is nothing in the 'support' budget. Our way means that once >the budget has been approved and the software and kit bought, that's it. It >may be old-fashioned but it works for us, and seems to suit our customers. The GPL is essentially a defensive license designed to make people play fair, but there are many other open or at least free licenses such as alladin that restrict the use of the software in certain enviroments. What you should be asking is what benefits would you gain from opening up the software, do you make money from CNC machines and the Software or CNC machines as well as software; does the software have any use outside of driving your machines; do you think that its release will develop into an active community that will add value to your primary product of CNC machines and so on. As for takeup in education, universities have been using unicies from the year dot, for example the Bill Gates building at cambridge dual boots with red hat and every computer science department will be using it to teach operating systems, most CS freshers dual boot their machines and by second year will ahve likely migrated. Polytechnics are likely to be a different story, as are the non technical university departments. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Flexidata 3
by Ben Higginbottom 13 May '04

13 May '04

>I think that is overly pessimistic. I have to be, new software - especially an office suite can only be rolled out at schools over the summer so that the teachers have time to learn it and it has to work near flawlessly, as if anything goes wrong with it there will be hell to pay. >If you have E-learning credits to burn, I have ways of doing it without >having to buy a lot of software you don't particularly need. I'm sure Mike will be interested in any suggestions you have :) >No. We had a meeting as a result of the conference but it didn't involve >Mike, I assume because he didn't put his name forward? you'd have to ask him, I think he's on the list. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Ben Higginbottom 13 May '04

13 May '04

>You don't need to tell me about the demerits of Access >- I have been convinced of that a long time ago. What >alternative could I use (if any)? I need something >that can even be tailored to year 7's. There are quite a few DB frontends such as mergeant, knoda and rekall/totalrekall, however none are really simple although they will do the job at A level. As for the really simple stuff, its in development but as of this moment the only alternative I've found is Flexidata running under wine. >As far as the macromedia suite is concerned, I just >cant get it installed with wine -- even though I have >read reports posted from people who say they can. Have >any of you tried this and won? http://www.frankscorner.org/ has information regarding getting it running under wine and macromedia are porting their apps over to linux. Infact I think they have recently released a version optimised to run under wine in the meantime. >Do you know of any decent GPL school Administration >system replacement I can get my hands on? Schooltool, but thats not really ready yet, weve decided to go with CMIS for the next 3 years at the cost of £20,000 a year due to their webbased eportal system rahter than windows based client software. Unfortunately the company wrote eportal with IE specific javascript, and although its only a minor feature (navigation tabs) and a quick fix, they refuse to change the code. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Flexidata 3
by Ben Higginbottom 13 May '04

13 May '04

>What about Rekall which runs on windows and Linux and is GPL. We are >dicovering the wonders of the OpenOffice database for our KS3 ICT. Rekall I think is quite good, but the head of IT here didnt think it was as userfriendly as it needed to be and as a result the 4th years end up using win98 for the next two years. He thinks it'll be good enough by next year but thats too late for us. OOo's Db frontend is in a similar situation, fine if your comfortable with SQL, but not for teaching a pack of 12yr olds. Regards, Ben

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q1 - Q2
by adrian.wells 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hi Guy's & Guyesess Thanks to everyone that replied on and off list - some very good ideas there. So as not to miss-lead, this is for a company not a school - they'll just have to pay more! :-) Kind regards Adrian

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Flexidata 3
by Ben Higginbottom 12 May '04

12 May '04

At the recent open source in education conference in london there was apparently a lot of discussion in regards to a simple database frontend (at the time I was stuck in a samba course I should have been teaching) anyway, as some of you might know Trinity High School in Manchester is moving to a dual boot enviroment as of september, and with Chris leaving for an even better paid job everything has ended up being dumped on me to do. One of these 'little jobs' was to see if I could get an access clone called flexidata runing under wine, and well it doesnt just run under wine, it practically gallops. Just about every feature works exactly as well as it does in its native enviroment and its approved by the NC as an access alternative for teaching upto 3rd years. The only problems it has are the help files are in the mshelp format (but talking to the developers they are moving towards a HTML format) and that the demo you can request for free from the flexible software website is required to be in the machine whilst you run it, and for some reason its incapable of identifying the CD in the drive, thankfully the developers gave me a license key for a CDless installation. A schools site license costs about £300 and you can learn more here: http://www.flexible.co.uk/FlexiDATA3.html Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Flexidata 3
by Ben Higginbottom 12 May '04

12 May '04

>With regard to the database, its also worth looking at the proposals for >the dba development of OpenOffice.org 2.0 due out towards the end of >next term. You can download a very early build of OO.o 2.0 from Thanks Ian, I am aware of the roadmap but even if they start grafting in code directly from TotalRekall (not a simple process given the way its been written) they are probably going to sail past they release date and it'll probably be a year after that before it'll be really usable for students, especially the lower years. Flexidata is something that can be used today, and it can burn up the e-learning credits and will do the job until theres a GPL alternative, plus the open attitude of the developers towards Linux suggests any migration would be far less painful than a move from access and mdb's. >If any schools were interested in making a donation to this project >contact me. Maybe we could start a petition to tap into the DfES >innovation fund. You did talk to Mike Chapman at the conference didnt you, he has a 'small' budget towards such a project as well as the attention of the people at the DfES for what were doing at Trinity. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
by Ben Higginbottom 12 May '04

12 May '04

>Does anyone know of an alternative to crocodile clips, >have looked everywhere even on the old posts on the SuSe >mailing list to no avail. gEDA, Ksim, Klogic spice and Kfilter all run natively on Linux and are free in one way or another. Eagle runs well under wine but is really a layout package with some simulation plugins. None however are what you might call suitable for pupils, but the following sites might be of use: http://sal.jyu.fi/index.shtml http://www.linuxeda.org As Chris has already said, CrocClips runs well under wine, and please dont mind Thomas, he just needs to be LARTed on occasion :) Regards, Ben

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Introduction
by Joanna Harris 12 May '04

12 May '04

Right, Intro 19 year female, Technician at a school that hates open source but basically runs projects at my partners school, which soon should be moving to dual boot (has basically linux everything else, from CCTV to Firewall, Proxy to main servers) Have been using Linux for 5 years, was introduced in sixth form when we used Corel!! Now use only Linux at home with no other OS in sight. Started www.linuxschools.org.uk which isn't up right now....problem with hosting company, but I hope it to be a good reference to people wanting to run Linux/open source in schools. urmmm, I think that is it....just me, an insane geekess. Jo

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server
by Ben Higginbottom 12 May '04

12 May '04

>Can anyone recommend a LINUX mail server with a nice GUI front end. SLOX, we've just moved over to it as a step towards a dual boot enviroment by september. Everything but online update is done from a web frontend, all the standard mail clients can access it and there are many other useful features, such as a calendar, forums, project manager and soon. Educational pricing is around £250 and includes 50 client licences. Compared to exchange its an absolute steal. There's also squirrelmail, which is completely free, however isnt at all easy to administer when compared with slox. Theres an online demo on Suse's site if your interested. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server
by Ben Higginbottom 12 May '04

12 May '04

just checked the actual pricing: £239 - SLOX + 50 concurrent licences + 1 years maintenance £219 - either 50 more concurrent clients or another years maintenance contract. Regards, Ben

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server
by Chris Puttick 12 May '04

12 May '04

Not pricey at all for schools, although depends how many users. Haven't got latest education prices to hand, but about £500-£600 for 100 (concurrent) user licences including one year maintenance and installation support, and the Web-GUI is brilliant. See: http://www.suse.co.uk/uk/business/products/openexchange/demo.html Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Williamson [mailto:kyle@solented.co.uk] Sent: Wed 5/12/2004 11:51 AM To: 'adrian.wells' Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server It's a little on the pricey side, but SuSe'S mail Server? Kyle == Kind Regards, Kyle Williamson - Solent Educational Ltd Tel: (023) 80 841912 Fax: (023) 80 879453 Solent Training Centre, Hardley Industrial Estate, Hardley, Southampton, SO45 3NQ kyle(a)solented.co.uk / http://www.solented.co.uk .~. /V\ L I N U X // \\ > Don't fear the penguin < /( )\ ^^-^^ -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells [mailto:adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk] Sent: 12 May 2004 11:45 To: SuSE for Schools Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Q2 - Linux Mail Server Hi, Can anyone recommend a LINUX mail server with a nice GUI front end. This is to be administered by a local user with no LINUX / little PC experience - (I know, dangerous!) Maybe a web interface would be useful for setting up things like extra accounts, alias and list maintenance. This is to replace an existing "computalynx" mailserver running on Win2000. Kind regards Adrian Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] servers
by G.Harris 12 May '04

12 May '04

We use a company called Precedence Technologies who have an excellent webmail system based around a Unix server but accessible through any browser anywhere in the world. www.precedence.co.uk/ George Harris > Hi all: > > I am currently running a managed server from the school (not at the > school) as > part of the school's business and enterprise status. The site is based > with > Easyspace but I need more storage as I am thinking about doing my e-mail > on > the server as well. With 750 students plus staff I would need 10-15GB > of > free space and the Easyspace device is only 4GB of which nearly 2 is the > OS. > I would like to use a UK company but they seem really expensive in > comparison > to what must be yanqui ones. Has anyone any experience they can share? > > Paul -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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Q2 - Linux Mail Server
by adrian.wells 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, Can anyone recommend a LINUX mail server with a nice GUI front end. This is to be administered by a local user with no LINUX / little PC experience - (I know, dangerous!) Maybe a web interface would be useful for setting up things like extra accounts, alias and list maintenance. This is to replace an existing "computalynx" mailserver running on Win2000. Kind regards Adrian Wells

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Roger Whitaker
by mike 07 May '04

07 May '04

Roger now works for for an ibm associated company. I met him on the IBM stand the Linux show at Olympia. He did hope that the list had not died since he left SuSE. He did not fancy the house move required for the new location where Novells head offices are. So he has now found new hunting grounds and appeared to be enjoying it. Regards Mike -- mec(a)aaugonline.net mike.clinch(a)ukuug.org Apple Tech. at school and linux box at home

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servers
by Paul Taylor 05 May '04

05 May '04

Hi all: I am currently running a managed server from the school (not at the school) as part of the school's business and enterprise status. The site is based with Easyspace but I need more storage as I am thinking about doing my e-mail on the server as well. With 750 students plus staff I would need 10-15GB of free space and the Easyspace device is only 4GB of which nearly 2 is the OS. I would like to use a UK company but they seem really expensive in comparison to what must be yanqui ones. Has anyone any experience they can share? Paul -- De omnibus dubitandum

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well served
by Paul Taylor 04 May '04

04 May '04

Thanks for the response guys I will take a closer look at your suggestions. I have not seen any activity here for quite some time and the eerie silence was beginning to worry me. Is Roger still maintaining this list? -- De omnibus dubitandum

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