Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips
Hi Garry. As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps. It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user. Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects. >From: garry saddington <garry@joydiv.fsnet.co.uk> >To: suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:48:56 +0100 > >On Thursday 13 May 2004 12:54 pm, Grainge, Derek wrote: > > Hi Garry > > > > > Web projects are notoriously difficult to get high grades in so why not > > > do a database project instead. > > > > At what level? My GCSE students (as default) would do two projects, Web > > and Modelling, for AQA. I'd direct them AWAY from databases as the work is > > more technical / time-consuming for no great benefit. Most marks come > > from the report covering the project development, and so longs there's a > > reasonable level of content the exam board have no axe to grind. I don't > > agree that web projects are 'notoriously difficult' to get good marks in - > > there's plenty scope. > > > > e.g. a website of 8-12 pages, including text, pictures, perhaps other > > media, and an online form which works. Without the last there are criteria > > (data gathering, validation, outputs) which the project can't satisfy. We > > have a spare web server which my students publish on internally to show > > they have done all of that successfully. Perhaps famous last words, but my > > students have been doing that for some years now without complaint. And > > they get good grades. All of which is jumping through hoops, but > > successful jumping. > > > > I would agree that an A2 ICT student (we do OCR) would almost have to do a > > database. They have to do something reasonably complex - which may come > > from integration of products (eg Web site with database back end), or from > > the complexity of the database & the task itself. I guess an equally > > complex spreadsheet involving multiple data sets with relationships between > > them would be satisfactory. But the board have said they're not > > interested in artificially complex solutions to problems. > > > > Derek > > > > >I was only talking A-level and agree with you on all your comments. I was >trying to suggest that there are other ways that you can adapt in order to >use Linux for teaching. >regards >garry > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe@suse.com >For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help@suse.com > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess
On Thursday 13 May 2004 17:23, Paul Jensen wrote:
Hi Garry.
As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps.
It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user.
Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects.
I've talked to the Heathcotes at BETT a few times about things outside of the M$ paradigm and they seemed relatively interested if someone came up with the material and justified the market somewhat. I have been trying to write some work along the same lines (i.e. lots of screen shots) using phpmyadmin and MySQL. It worked reasonably well with a year 10 GNVQ group and I am now in the process of getting it up-graded for my OCR VCE group. The OCR contact said they had no objections to this solution as long as it met the criteria. Paul
>From: garry saddington <garry@joydiv.fsnet.co.uk> >To: suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Crocodile Clips >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:48:56 +0100 > >On Thursday 13 May 2004 12:54 pm, Grainge, Derek wrote: > > Hi Garry > > > > > Web projects are notoriously difficult to get high grades in so why not > > > do a database project instead. > > > > At what level? My GCSE students (as default) would do two projects, Web > > and Modelling, for AQA. I'd direct them AWAY from databases as the work is > > more technical / time-consuming for no great benefit. Most marks come > > from the report covering the project development, and so longs there's a > > reasonable level of content the exam board have no axe to grind. I don't > > agree that web projects are 'notoriously difficult' to get good marks in - > > there's plenty scope. > > > > e.g. a website of 8-12 pages, including text, pictures, perhaps other > > media, and an online form which works. Without the last there are criteria > > (data gathering, validation, outputs) which the project can't satisfy. We > > have a spare web server which my students publish on internally to show > > they have done all of that successfully. Perhaps famous last words, but my > > students have been doing that for some years now without complaint. And > > they get good grades. All of which is jumping through hoops, but > > successful jumping. > > > > I would agree that an A2 ICT student (we do OCR) would almost have to do a > > database. They have to do something reasonably complex - which may come > > from integration of products (eg Web site with database back end), or from > > the complexity of the database & the task itself. I guess an equally > > complex spreadsheet involving multiple data sets with relationships between > > them would be satisfactory. But the board have said they're not > > interested in artificially complex solutions to problems. > > > > Derek > > > > >I was only talking A-level and agree with you on all your comments. I was >trying to suggest that there are other ways that you can adapt in order to >use Linux for teaching. >regards >garry > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe@suse.com >For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help@suse.com >
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On Thursday 13 May 2004 5:23 pm, Paul Jensen wrote:
Hi Garry.
As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps.
It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user.
Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects.
I am an AQA moderator and I can assure all here that credit is certainly given for any work the student does. I have had some excellent projects (my students) using Knoda and some rubbish. The difference between Knoda and Access is that Access has so many frills that it is time consuming to spot an un-workable solution whereas in Knoda it is quicky obvious where the solution is inadequate. Access obscures the true nature of a useful database design from the student and so is to be avoided at all cost for training purposes and also for all other purposes! I am attempting to do exactly what you suggest but with OpenOffice in the database starter's guide: http://digitaldistribution.com:8080/oocommunity/Starter Guides/ regards garry
Sorry Gary, that link didn't seem to work -- got a 404
I must say it is great to find there is so much support for linux in schools in this country -- It really is a boon to me to know that others have submitted non-Access based CW and succeeded.
I had a look at KNoda, and it looks like a good piece of kit.
You have all opened up many paths of investigation to me, now i'll be busy ferreting away for weeks!!
Thanks again for all the feedback.
Dermot
garry saddington
Hi Garry.
As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps.
It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user.
Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects.
I am an AQA moderator and I can assure all here that credit is certainly given for any work the student does. I have had some excellent projects (my students) using Knoda and some rubbish. The difference between Knoda and Access is that Access has so many frills that it is time consuming to spot an un-workable solution whereas in Knoda it is quicky obvious where the solution is inadequate. Access obscures the true nature of a useful database design from the student and so is to be avoided at all cost for training purposes and also for all other purposes! I am attempting to do exactly what you suggest but with OpenOffice in the database starter's guide: http://digitaldistribution.com:8080/oocommunity/Starter Guides/ regards garry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help@suse.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
On Friday 14 May 2004 8:01 am, Dermot Mc Laughlin wrote:
Sorry Gary, that link didn't seem to work -- got a 404
try the link without the starter on the end. regards garry
I must say it is great to find there is so much support for linux in schools in this country -- It really is a boon to me to know that others have submitted non-Access based CW and succeeded.
I had a look at KNoda, and it looks like a good piece of kit.
You have all opened up many paths of investigation to me, now i'll be busy ferreting away for weeks!!
Thanks again for all the feedback. Dermot
garry saddington
wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2004 5:23 pm, Paul Jensen wrote:
Hi Garry.
As a A-level student I did ICT at Sharnbrook Upper School in Beds, and we were taught along the lines of "do an Excel or Access solution", and given books which taught us how to do solutions using these apps.
It's nice to hear that you're able to use different packages for the coursework, I just wonder though how good the quality of the courseworks are, as the AQA marking seems to be predicated on how good (advanced) the solution is, where really I think it should be about how well the solution meets the needs of the end user.
Saying that, the books I was given were by P.M.Heathcote, and I think they were published by Galloway press. It would be great to adapt the material for students doing other projects.
I am an AQA moderator and I can assure all here that credit is certainly given for any work the student does. I have had some excellent projects (my students) using Knoda and some rubbish. The difference between Knoda and Access is that Access has so many frills that it is time consuming to spot an un-workable solution whereas in Knoda it is quicky obvious where the solution is inadequate. Access obscures the true nature of a useful database design from the student and so is to be avoided at all cost for training purposes and also for all other purposes!
I am attempting to do exactly what you suggest but with OpenOffice in the database starter's guide: http://digitaldistribution.com:8080/oocommunity/Starter Guides/
regards garry
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Dermot Mc Laughlin
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garry saddington
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Paul Jensen
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Paul Taylor