January 2003 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Migrating Users NT/2000 -> Linux
by Alex Brett 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

We are actually going to continue using Windows clients (moving the entire school over to linux is an eventual goal but will not be happening for a few years yet). The solution getting them from a database is not possible as we do not keep a copy of users passwords. I'll bear in mind the idea of creating a database though and sticking them into an NT server and a linux server that way - could be useful in the future. No decisions have been made yet and I'm just looking into what is actually practical. From the look of that samba roadmap a great deal of the features there look useful to me - and looking at the alpha the group mapping feature looks particularly useful as presumably that fixes the problems I've had before where group policies don't work just by putting in a group name in poledit - you have to use default user and have multiple policy files and give each group a different netlogon dir (if people understand what i mean). Thanks for all the info, Alex Brett alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk On 31 Jan 2003 at 3:32, steven thomas wrote: > I am interested in what sort of desktop/distro you are > planning to use and how you intend to lock it down.. > > Steve Thomas > St David's School > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Migrating Users NT/2000 -> Linux
by Chris Puttick 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

Ok... In NT (any version...), there is a command line utility called <addusers>. With the /d switch, the usernames and groups are dumped to a specified filename. See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3ben-us%3b199878 for more details. Then if you want to migrate the passwords, a tool such as L0phtCrack can get most (managed 98% here) passwords out of the SAM database, via pwdump. The alternative to the above is to wait until summer, then tell all the users their passwords have been reset for security reasons, then miss out the last step and just generate passwords for them. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Alex Brett To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 1/31/03 8:08 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Migrating Users NT/2000 -> Linux I am looking at migrating a whole set of users at a school from a current set up where they are on an NT to a linux server - ultimately because they're buying a whole set more workstations and can't afford the extra CALs for NT. Is there any easy way to migrate the users keeping their passwords (and home directories if possible but this could be done manually) in the same way that users can be migrated from NT to 2000 using the AD Migration Tool. I currently have a version of the users in a temporary 2k test server if this makes any difference or provides another way of doing it. Incidentally I will either be migrating them to redhat 8.0 or a version if suse if that makes any difference. Anybody done anything like this before? Thanks, Alex Brett alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Migrating Users NT/2000 -> Linux
by Alex Brett 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

I am looking at migrating a whole set of users at a school from a current set up where they are on an NT to a linux server - ultimately because they're buying a whole set more workstations and can't afford the extra CALs for NT. Is there any easy way to migrate the users keeping their passwords (and home directories if possible but this could be done manually) in the same way that users can be migrated from NT to 2000 using the AD Migration Tool. I currently have a version of the users in a temporary 2k test server if this makes any difference or provides another way of doing it. Incidentally I will either be migrating them to redhat 8.0 or a version if suse if that makes any difference. Anybody done anything like this before? Thanks, Alex Brett alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Primary School Software
by Chris Puttick 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

Have a look at Freeduc http://www.ofset.org - which is also the home of gcompris, which is an excellent piece of software. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Rowe To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 1/28/03 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Primary School Software On Tuesday 28 January 2003 1:14 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > Dear All > > We have had 2 linux servers with Linux backups for the > past five years working wonderfully > > About a year ago I tried out Linux software for use by > the children - (me wants Linux users in de classroom) > > nearly everything I tried was difficult or plain just > didn't work) - I want to try again to see if its any > better - any suggestions (obviously not rude ones I'm > only primary!) > > one group (I've forget who or whom) was trying to > produce a cd and presumably there are more sites out > there now I've seen a Knoppix based CD with educational software on it, but can't find the link now (will post if I do find it). Two good packages that my five & nearly-four year old like are tuxpaint and gcompris. I would guess that both are available for SuSE. Tuxpaint is a drawing package specifically aimed at young kids, and my two have no pronblem using it. GCompris is a launcher for a whole raft of educational software - reading, writing, maths, puzzles, keyboard & mouse skills. It's very actively maintained and seems to have more in it every time I look. Regards, Martin -- martin(a)dbg400.net AIM/Gaim: DBG400dotNet http://www.dbg400.net /"\ DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities - AS/400 / iSeries Open \ / Source free test environment tools and others (file/spool/misc) X Debian GNU/Linux | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail & news / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Suse Linux 8.0: trouble with audio
by linuxuser 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi! I'm an italian student in a school of Rome. We bought Suse Linux 8.0 and I tryed to install it on two computers we have at school. If we manage to let Linux work with these computer, we'll try to use it on all school's computers. Anyway, we get some trouble. The first computer, we tryed to install Linux on, is a Pentium IV 2.5 Ghz, with a large hard disk (120 GB) and a lot of RAM (512 Mb). On this computer the sound card (integrated on the main board) has not been recognized by Linux, and the sound doesn't work. The sound chipset name is: Sigmatel Stac 9750T. Also the printer (Hp deskjet 920C) doesn't work (maybe because of the USB ports...) and the modem (a PCI card): Aztech CNR 2800 W V92. On the other computer, a Pentium IV 1.6 Ghz, with 40 GB HDD and 256 MB RAM, Suse Linux 8.0 managed to recognize all the hardware, during installation. Anyway there's a bigger problem: when I reboot the system (after installation) it can't boot. It stops on the line about sound (something like "loading previous sound...") I hope someone could help me! Thank you in advance! Greetings from Italy, Paolo. PS Please do no write back through the list. Email me at linuxuser(a)progettoxiii.it or plato.elio(a)inwind.it

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Primary School Software
by Ron Johnson 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Dear All We have had 2 linux servers with Linux backups for the past five years working wonderfully About a year ago I tried out Linux software for use by the children - (me wants Linux users in de classroom) nearly everything I tried was difficult or plain just didn't work) - I want to try again to see if its any better - any suggestions (obviously not rude ones I'm only primary!) one group (I've forget who or whom) was trying to produce a cd and presumably there are more sites out there now Thanks in advance Yours Wonald __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Backup Entire Harddrive
by Matt Hinds 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi, This has probably been the subject of previous discussion so apologies for asking, but can someone tell me how to backup an entire linux system so we can restore quickly in the event of a system crash? How would we restore the image as well? Many thanks in anticipation! Cheers, Matt Hinds CLC Systems Manager

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VPN
by Kevin Gilpin 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi, We are looking to setup a VPN for our network, which includes internal and external network. I was wandering if any one could give me some hints or tips what to use what not to use. Do we use hardware or software? Thanks Kevin -- Kevin Gilpin

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Upgrading 7.2 to 8.1
by Chris Puttick 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi Special points: yes, don't run the "upgrade" option from the CD unless you've never installed anything other than from the original disks. And even then, it would probably be best not to... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Reaume To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 1/27/03 4:48 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Upgrading 7.2 to 8.1 Hello from Ireland! I have been following some of the discussions on this site for some time, but much of it is beyond my current skill level. I am quite interested in the alternatives to to the Big M though. However, I do run a file and samba server in 7.2 and would like to move to 8.1 which I have. It seem that it should be pretty straightforward in the documentation. Is there anything special to be aware of in the upgrade? Thanks for any help! Michael Reaume IT Coordinator St. Laurence College Loughlinstown Dublin 18 Ireland Tel: +353 1 2043077 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Upgrading 7.2 to 8.1
by Michael Reaume 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Hello from Ireland! I have been following some of the discussions on this site for some time, but much of it is beyond my current skill level. I am quite interested in the alternatives to to the Big M though. However, I do run a file and samba server in 7.2 and would like to move to 8.1 which I have. It seem that it should be pretty straightforward in the documentation. Is there anything special to be aware of in the upgrade? Thanks for any help! Michael Reaume IT Coordinator St. Laurence College Loughlinstown Dublin 18 Ireland Tel: +353 1 2043077

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Cron Problems...
by Administrator 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Hello!!! Can anyone see anything wrong with this as a crontab? File: /var/spool/cron/tabs/root -=============================- 54 23 * * 0-4 squid -k kill 59 23 * * 0-4 /etc/dansguardian/dorename 5 0 * * 1-5 squid -k rotate -=============================- Should kill off squid, the 'dorename' thing renames the access.log and the '-k rotate' restarts logging. In crontab, I don't think squid kills or rotates at all, but manually it works perfectly... Any ideas? Dug Stokes Senior Webmaster Gilberd IS Department E: dug(a)gilberd.com W: www.gilberd.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Yast2 passwords
by Matt Johnson 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

--- Derek Harding <derek(a)lagham.uklinux.net> wrote: > It's easiest to create the YAST2 users then delete > their password fields in /etc/shadow, 'cos I don't > thnik YAST2 allows null passwords - _however_ - have > you tried Webmin? With Webmin the users can be > streamed in from a text file, given null passwords > and added to the SMB logins at the same time. I'll give it a go :) Although, we use unencryted (plain text) passwords (gulp again - this is a primary school behind an LEA firewall - I know it's not bombproof) for Samba because the registry hack on the 15 Windows98 boxes seemed less overall admin then adding 600 users with that smbpasswd script. I didn't realise that Webmin could do that bit for you! Have I understood that correctly? I know none of this is ideal. Perhaps I could investigate encrypted passwords if Webmin did that easily? Thanks for the guidance and discussion so far... Off to purchase SuSE 8.1 now and give this a whirl. -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Yast2 passwords
by Matt Johnson 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Some pointers, reassurance or advice please... This effects me putting SuSE as the main file server in a school... I want to use Yast2 (either text or graphical) to add users. With SuSE 7.1 etc, good ol' Yast (1) would let you create a user with no password (gulp). I don't want the children in this _infant_ department to have passwords.... so how can I get Yast2 to except a null password? I'd rather do it in Yast2 then another solution if possible - my reason being I suppose ignorance and fear of the unknown... i.e. that I don't fully understand all the implications for creating users and I *know* and *trust* Yast2 to do it right specifically for a *SuSE* installation. I could use this script or that, or webmin, but does it do it right for *SuSE*? I don't understand MD5 (?), Kerberos etc. I just want to put names into Yast2 and have it do it for me ;) Thanks in advance. -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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FW: Open Source in Education Conference 2003
by James Spedding 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

With apologies to those on the list who have already got this information, I'd like to post this announcing that the website for the Open Source in Education Conference 2003 is now up and running. http://www.mpowernet.anglia.ac.uk/conference/ Here is some of the information from the site to fill you in on the where and why..... The Conference: A National Conference to explore the use of Open Source software in UK Primary and Secondary Education Institutions. The Aims: * to raise awareness of open source as an alternative solution * to evaluate its suitability for use in schools and, * to examine and learn from the implementation of open source in educational settings. Date: Friday 4th April 2003 (9:25am - 4:30pm). Venue: Danbury Park Conference Centre, Main Road, Danbury, Essex CM3 4AT People from BECTA, the E-Envoy's office and Diana Laurillard (head of E-Learning for DfES) will be there as well as quite a few from this list who have already expressed an interest and put their name down - not to mention Ian, Phil, Roger, Malcolm, Chris Dawkins and others who are actually speaking during the day. On the website you will find the booking form and other relevant information, and please note places are limited. I'm afraid the price has gone up a little since my preliminary announcement (due to increased administration costs) to £79 + VAT. Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact me by phone on (01245) 226930 or off-list. Thanks, James

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Cloning machines
by Chris Puttick 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Ghost has only got as far as understanding Ext2 (and then it comes with a few quid pro quos) and we use Reiser by preference. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Johnson To: SuSe Sent: 1/22/03 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Cloning machines Doesn't Ghost 'do' or 'clone' Linux these days? I maybe way off here, but the original post mentioned Ghost, and I thought I saw that Linux drives were supported on the Ghost packaging I was having a look at. I may be completely wrong. Of course, I assume you need to actually do all this from a Windows install to use Ghost? If I was having to deal with 'geometry', an 'cylinders', and 'probably', I know what I'd do... -- Matt Johnson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Doesn't get better than this...
by Chris Puttick 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

In case you were looking for a little ammunition: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

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Cloning machines
by Chris Puttick 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Hi I know I should be able to do this, but many years of using Ghost have made my brain go soft. Can someone talk me through cloning 12 identical machines? I was assuming something like tar, tftp and lilo, but the sites I found on the subject just confused me... Cheers Chris

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Cloning machines
by Chris Puttick 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Forgot to mention these are laptops (for primary use), so it will have to be over a network, (or from a CD?) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Stainburn To: Phil Driscoll; Chris Puttick; 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com' Sent: 1/22/03 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Cloning machines On Wednesday 22 January 2003 10:10 am, Phil Driscoll wrote: > On Wednesday 22 January 2003 8:48 am, Chris Puttick wrote: > > I know I should be able to do this, but many years of using Ghost have > > made my brain go soft. Can someone talk me through cloning 12 identical > > machines? I was assuming something like tar, tftp and lilo, but the sites > > I found on the subject just confused me... > > I did this yesterday on my own machine when my main hard disk overheated > and started making funny noises - however I had the new and old hard disks > connected to the same machine. > > All I had to do was dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb - although I had to do much > agonising before hitting return just to make sure I was doing the copy in > the correct direction. Note that this takes ages as you copy the entire > disk surface, not just the area covered in files, and the destination drive > has to be at least as big as the source. This also has the problem that if the two drives don't have the same geometry it may not work. Generally if they have the same number of heads and sectors and the cylinders is greater on the target you'll be okay. It does work in other circumstances but it's not guaranteed. It's a case of suck-it-and-see. Also, bear in mind that if the source is mounted at when you're copying, you may end up with an inconsistant target with filesystems needing fscking etc. If you're going to do this, I'd suggest switching to runlevel 1 to close down as many services as possible, and 'sync' before starting. If possible unmount or remount read-only whatever you can. For best results, run your system from a 3rd HD. > > I've not done this over a network, but if I had to, my instinct would be to > boot up a floppy based distribution (maybe keeper?) and arrange things so > that I could see the source drive or a tar.gz image of it somewhere over > the network, and then use the dd command to do the work. I would try and avoid even a modest clone over a network these days. The smallest drive CCL sells is a 30GB disk. Without doing any maths, I would say that even over a 100MB LAN, that's going to take a while, and that's after all the other technical problems. > > However, I'm sure that someone who actually knows what they are doing might > be aware of a better way :) > > Cheers -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Public Display System using web
by Jim Bews 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

We are currently implementing a public display system where web pages from our Suse/Apache server are created as an auto-refreshing circular list. Output is fed from a PC to a series of TV monitors as with many public display systems. As much of this information will be time limited, such as details of lectures, it would be useful to have this based on a database. Any suggestions for this project would be appreciated. Jim Bews - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jim Bews, Computing Officer, School of Chemistry, Purdie Building, University of St. Andrews, St. Andrews, Fife, KY16 9ST Tel: 01334-463830 Email: j.r.bews(a)st-andrews.ac.uk Fax: 01334-463808 WWW: http://chemistry.st-andrews.ac.uk/staff/jrb/

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Need Linux Experience :)
by Russell 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Hi all, This might be one of the few times I write to the mailinglist, but I would like to know if I would be able to do Work Experience in the Wilmslow, Manchester area. I am interested in linux and would like to work in such an invironment such as Network admin for linux servers. I am reasonable experienced, Ive started my own internet service provider, providong webhosting and linux shells. Please reply with any information you might have. If you know a school or office which uses Linux servers it would be very helpfull. Many Thanks, Russell Trafford russellian(a)onetel.net.uk

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by peterbarber 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Don't know if it is of help but the common transfer (and the plasc forms) generate XML output which you may be able to use to transfer information into, and out of, SIMS. >===== Original Message From Mark Evans <mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> ===== >On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:45:12AM +0000, ian wrote: >> On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 11:38, Mark Evans wrote: >> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:47:40PM -0000, Kyle Williamson wrote: >> > > And so we have, alas :( >> > > I could do with something where I click a magical button and the exam >> > > timetables,timetables etc are transported across into MySQL... >> > >> > If you find such a "magic button" could you also check for one which >> > works with LEAs :) >> >> Don't know too much about this, but won't the DfES common data format >> allow transfer of all the data from SIMS to other databases? I thought >> the idea of the CDF was to make the data independent of the system it >> was in? > >Considering the fun we had with PLASC I'm not convinced that this >concept is well understood by the decision makers. > >-- >Mark Evans >St. Peter's CofE High School >Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 >Fax: +44 1392 204763 > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by Grainge, Derek 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

The subtext being that SIMS.net is replacing SIMS and MENTOR; hence a specific development to access SIMS will inevitably be a short-term solution. I doubt that Capita will continue to support SIMS for long now they have a new product on the market. The other point being that if any part of SIMS has files of a recognisable format, an ODBC interface can be created either to the file or to the data dictionary if it exists. No doubt you have been down this road. > Sounds nice... BUT our SIMS system isnt based around MS-SQL, > its more a bit of a bit of everything :S > > I think it was Rob Keeling who mentioned something about this? > > From: Grainge, Derek [mailto:DGG@wellington-college.berks.sch.uk] > > > I don't know about SIMS, but SIMS.net uses MS-SQL; No doubt > the data will > be encrypted. > > I can happily read data from Capita's other product, Mentor, > as it has an > ODBC interface. The files are foxbase (but you don't need to > know that to > read data) and unencrypted. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by Grainge, Derek 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

I don't know about SIMS, but SIMS.net uses MS-SQL; No doubt the data will be encrypted. I can happily read data from Capita's other product, Mentor, as it has an ODBC interface. The files are foxbase (but you don't need to know that to read data) and unencrypted. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle Williamson [mailto:kyle@solented.co.uk] > Sent: 17 January 2003 21:23 > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP > > > Did we ever find a technically resolution to SIMS talking to PHP? > > Kyle > > > == > > Kyle Williamson > Solent Educational Limited > > Tel: (023) 80 843189 Fax: (023) 80 848715 > http://www.solented.co.uk/ > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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SIMS / PHP
by Kyle Williamson 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

Did we ever find a technically resolution to SIMS talking to PHP? Kyle == Kyle Williamson Solent Educational Limited Tel: (023) 80 843189 Fax: (023) 80 848715 http://www.solented.co.uk/

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software
by Grainge, Derek 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

My school has it working under NT; and I have to say I am not really all that impressed. It has miscounted costs, and we have had to force it to recount pages to rectify this. It will report student's balances and you can provide them with credit, and optionally refuse to print when the system goes in the red. You can bill pupils or parents later. My feeling is that billing later misses the point: which is to prevent little gremlins from wasting printouts in the first place. As far as credit is concerned, if you decide to prevent printing when the balance hits zero, you will get queues of kids whinging about their balances - and this will impose a considerable burden on the small number (one?) of people who are asked to administer the system: a bottleneck. Pcounter's website mentions a machine you can install near a printer. This allows pupils who are over-limit to identify jobs and put money in to pay for them. The machine itself isn't cheap and I think it's windows only. There must be better than this? What do others have to say? > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Davies [mailto:colinidavies@yahoo.com] > Sent: 16 January 2003 17:52 > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software > > > I found out about a print control program called > Pcounter at Bett. Although it is intended for NT > (excuse my language)It does work on Linux with samba > running. However getting it to work without using an > extra computer with NT is causing problems. Our > current bill for printing consumables is approaching > £10K and this seems a promising solution to the > multiple printing. > > Has anyone got Pcounter or any other print control > software working under Linux? > > Colin Davies > Meadows Community School > Chesterfield > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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Re: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software
by David Watson 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

Hey all Check out PrintBill (http://freshmeat.net/projects/printbill/?topic_id=154) on freshmeat.net, runs on linux, costs print-outs per page or based on toner usage. I haven't used it myself yet but I have been testing it at home, I will be running soon. You wrote: > The school I was at had PCounter on a Novell server. It also miscounted but we discovered it was because there was more than one queue to a physical printer and the config needed changing. The licence costs were quite considerable over our server base. > > CUPS was the answer I eventually adopted but since then, having left the school, I'm sure I've seen some sort of print accounting/quota for Linux but I can't recall it! -- David Watson Systems Manager Blue Coat School

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software
by Chris Puttick 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

If there is no OS Linux solution yet, I have a couple of questions: Q1 Anyone up for developing one? Funded? Q2 Anyone want to chip in towards the development costs? Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Grainge, Derek To: Colin Davies; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 1/16/03 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software My school has it working under NT; and I have to say I am not really all that impressed. It has miscounted costs, and we have had to force it to recount pages to rectify this. It will report student's balances and you can provide them with credit, and optionally refuse to print when the system goes in the red. You can bill pupils or parents later. My feeling is that billing later misses the point: which is to prevent little gremlins from wasting printouts in the first place. As far as credit is concerned, if you decide to prevent printing when the balance hits zero, you will get queues of kids whinging about their balances - and this will impose a considerable burden on the small number (one?) of people who are asked to administer the system: a bottleneck. Pcounter's website mentions a machine you can install near a printer. This allows pupils who are over-limit to identify jobs and put money in to pay for them. The machine itself isn't cheap and I think it's windows only. There must be better than this? What do others have to say? > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Davies [mailto:colinidavies@yahoo.com] > Sent: 16 January 2003 17:52 > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printer control software > > > I found out about a print control program called > Pcounter at Bett. Although it is intended for NT > (excuse my language)It does work on Linux with samba > running. However getting it to work without using an > extra computer with NT is causing problems. Our > current bill for printing consumables is approaching > £10K and this seems a promising solution to the > multiple printing. > > Has anyone got Pcounter or any other print control > software working under Linux? > > Colin Davies > Meadows Community School > Chesterfield > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > -- ************************************************************************ ******** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ************************************************************************ ******** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Printer control software
by Colin Davies 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

I found out about a print control program called Pcounter at Bett. Although it is intended for NT (excuse my language)It does work on Linux with samba running. However getting it to work without using an extra computer with NT is causing problems. Our current bill for printing consumables is approaching £10K and this seems a promising solution to the multiple printing. Has anyone got Pcounter or any other print control software working under Linux? Colin Davies Meadows Community School Chesterfield __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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The Guardian last Tuesday
by Derek Harding 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

Hi, A friend passed this on to me. http://education.guardian.co.uk/elearning/story/0%2c10577%2c869738%2c00.html Even a simplification is better than nothing! -- Best wishes, Derek

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OT: Databases for use with classes
by gs＠hallgarth.middlesbrough.sch.uk 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

Hi all What databases do any of you use with classes? We are currently switching to Linux but are still using Access on Windows for KS4. Geoff Snowdon Hall Garth School

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] it can be done - linux in primary sch ools
by Chris Puttick 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

You want to see primary school apps? Have a look at gcompris http://www.ofset.org/gcompris/ or better still, download FREEDUC http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft/edusoft.html and run it all straight from boot CD (do press F2 at boot though, unless your French is good). Trust me, it's worth the download/burn time. And anyone comes up with an idea for a puzzle for gcompris, and doesn't have the development skills, I've got developers lined up for a go... Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: psutton To: Suse schools Sent: 1/12/03 6:49 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] it can be done - linux in primary schools Hi thought people may find this interesting / encouraging. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6349 from paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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it can be done - linux in primary schools
by psutton 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

Hi thought people may find this interesting / encouraging. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6349 from paul

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BETT
by Phil Driscoll 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Anyone on the list exhibiting at BETT? -- Phil Driscoll

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Linux version of Exchange?
by Chris Puttick 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Many products can reproduce Exchange calendar functionality as Outlook can publish the free-busy information, which can then be utilised by a number of solutions. Have a look at the Horde project (horde.org) for starters. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Johnson To: SuSe Sent: 1/8/03 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Linux version of Exchange? --- Gareth Edmondson <gareth(a)indigo-cube.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a Linux product (free) that can > replicate the functions > of MS Exchange, and then go on to work with either > OUtlook Express or > Outlook 2K? I want to make use of calendar > functionality in school. > > Many thanks > > Gareth Edmondson > ICT Teacher > Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr Hi, I've been looking at www.phpgroupware.org over the last couple of months. It's not Exchange... It uses a browser for access. Not sure if it'll help. I'll monitor this thread to see if there's something better that crops up. -- Matt Johnson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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KMySql
by Paul Taylor 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Happy New Year all: Does anyone know if there are any plans to update KMySql for KDE3? I know there are some good alternatives but thought this would be more user friendly for younger students. Paul

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