January 2004 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Quick question
by Paul Taylor 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

How do I kill kde and return the server to just a login so that I can save on resources. I have never done this as I am a child of the gui and it is killing my web server on the net. Paul

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FLOSSIE - 41 booked, 9 more to break even
by John Ingleby 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Brilliant! I just learned that 41 people have now booked to attend the FLOSSIE conference on Wednesday 18th. Feb at London Institute of Education. We can be confident of gaining at least 9 more to break even financially. Should we aim for a target of 100 ? This isn't only a conference for the converted! If you know anyone who doubts that FLOSS can save them money, or who's thinking of using FLOSS, do let them know about this event. The booking form is at: http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/registration_form.pdf John ****

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Wireless stuff
by Alan Davies 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

No - I haven't got as far as making our Suse box to do wirelesss - yet. But its a small part of the plan.... We have decided to cover our campus with Wireless acces points. We went for 801.11g at a potential of 54Mb/s but with the longer range of the old 801.11b standard. At the moment this gives us more compatibility with existing kit - especially PDAs which only seem to have 801.11b cards. Of course I soon discover there is much to learn... Channels 1 to 14 in the UK. I set my AP to channel 12. Our PDAs would not pick it up. Why? Because only channels 1 to 11 are 'universal'; channels 12 to 14 are only available in UK (EEC?) In the process I also discover that although the channels are 5MHz apart each channel is 22MHz wide so there are only 3 effective non overlapping channels - so some though must be given to channel settings on adjacent APs to get maximum benefit vs coverage. I'm not sure as so decide which channel to use - if some channels are used peramanently by DECT phones, BlueTooth, etc how will I know? Is there any reporting software utilties? Then there is security. We've all heared of those tin cans used as aerials by hackers driving around in cars. So I set up 128bit WEP in the APs. Agh...the PDAs only cater for 64bit (not that it told me anywhere - it was just impossible to type in the key - and they wouldn't connect..) QUESTIONS: Why does the AP give me 4 keys? (but only transmit one?) Is it a random choice for me? Do I assign keys to different user groups so that I can forbid groups for connecting? What's the idea? Should I have the same key in the mobile (which only accepts one?) Can it be any of the 4 keys? Should I set the SSID to be the same for the whole campus? Does this make moving between access points easier (no need to select as you migrate?) (I don't think its quite as transparent as mobile phone cells there seems to a a gap of several seconds while it changes - and tends to stick with existing weak signal even if you are right next to another) Or should I give a descriptive name to each AP? If lots of users are in an area covered my more than one AP do the clients share out the connections? Do they pick the lowest channel or highest? At random? Or do they pick on the strength of the signal? Or the loading of the Access points? Anyone with experience in these matters? If so, what else would you draw my attention to? Many thanks. -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Any ideas on LTSP?
by Rob Keeling 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

We are having some repeated problems with our LTSP installation. We run a Suse 8.1 based server, running icewm, openoffice 1.0.2 and Galeon for a web browser. The server spec is 1Gb ram, Athlon 1.6Ghz ide hard disk. and has anywhere from 1 to 20 clients. We are seeing frequent freeze ups while browsing the web, leaving stuck processes that need be killed. Other than nightly reboots, are there any other low processor load browsers that might be better than Galeon or do we just need a newer version? I have been using Mozilla Firebird on our win32 boxes, does this work well with ltsp? What are others experiences? Getting some flack from our SMT about removing the linux solution, which is not a good sign. Thanks Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. - Douglas Adams

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Any ideas on LTSP?
by francis stanbridge 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Not sure about the technicalities (at this time of night!) - some practical experience to gauge from: Red Hat 9.0, LTSP,(GNOME desktop) Dual Athlon 1.5 GHz , SCSI UW h.drive, 1 GB ram (homebrewed junk) - seems to support 20 ~ 30 clients OK - browser is Mozilla. Have not pushed it further - yet! Reliability - 100% ! I just do nothing to this server (other than reboot due to poor cooling causing a thermal trip) - we now use it for DHCP and DNS - its just better than the other brand for what we require. In comparison our 3 Win 2k terminal servers - dual cpu 800 Mz, 1 GB ram, SCSI U2W hard drives will support 50 windows terminal server clients each - at a push this has been up to 70 clients. It scales well. (This is not a plug for MS - we will move to an 80 % + Linux server and client network this summer).When freshly installed will run for weeks on end with v.good performance. Percieved performance e.g. loading Publisher, image manipulation in Photoimpact is good. Currently it requires daily reboot, Also suffer (at present) similar slowing down problems. Time for a re-install - yawn... The cheap, pragmatic solution - 1. Try Mozilla 2. More memory - try another GB (ie £100) Based on the Windows experience (not direct but the only data I can compare with) I would anticipate 1 x 1 GHz cpu supporting 20 ~ 25 clients reasonably. Good Luck Francis Francis Stanbridge Community College Bishop's Castle Shropshire SY9 5AY tel: 01588 638257 fax: 01588 630034

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1924
by Paul Taylor 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Hi all: My adsl router is getting a deluge of attacks on port 1924. A search tells me that this is the XIIP port which makes it no clearer. Does anyone know more about this. Is this a popular port to use as an attack? The sheer volume of DOS on this port suggests that my line is going down under the weight of the attacks and it keeps resetting which is quite irritating. Are there any counter attacks? Paul --

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Interesting report by chairman of BECTA
by Phil Driscoll 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

David Hargreaves, who is chairman of BECTA, is also a senior associate for the Demos think tank. If you've a spare hour, download and read his paper (as PDF) from http://www.demos.co.uk/media/educationepidemic_page277.aspx If you can't be bothered reading it all, do a search for linux, linus and hacker. I haven't read it all yet, but from what I've read so far, he seems to think that the education system should trasform itself by embracing 'hacker culture' and open source methodology! -- Phil Driscoll

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FLOSSIE numbers: now 34 including 3 exhibitors
by John Ingleby 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

The latest count of bookings is 34, including 3 exhibitors. Just 16 more to break even, and with 4 weeks to go, surely we can help 66 more people realise why it's important they come to this conference. If for some reason you haven't sent your booking in yet, the (PDF) form is at http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/registration_form.pdf Many thanks to all for getting the word out, -- John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by G.Harris 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

The cost of the Citrix licences is offset by many other advantages: Central administration of TC and PC desktops and software. We can keep using old computers long after anyone else has disposed of them and they run at near server speed even on a 233 pentium box.(The DfES still haven't cottoned on to this one and Becta are still assessing our system based upon a standard PC model. We also have another piece of software from Precedence technologies in Cambridge called ThinIT which is a cut down Unix which can be put onto any PC and run the Citrix client over the top. Every machine in the school has exactly the same desktop. No extra costs for lock down of desktops No WinXP licences except on specialist PCs, eg. music, video Web based administration from anywhere in the school of all servers. If we pay subscription advantage we get a free upgrade of the Citrix operating system every time it is changed which is worth considerably more than the tiny fee we pay. TCO is considerably lower than with a PC system over a 5 year period and over the 8 years we have now been on the Citrix system we have saved massive amounts of money both in initial and maintenance costs and have been blessed with a network which is available most years for over 99% of the time. We even run the free Pro Desktop 3D CAD software over the system with no limitations. Our technician has worked on other systems but she would not go back to a PC only system now. > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 07:07, G.Harris wrote: > > > The rest of our system is a mix of Windows PCs, Linux terminals, Unix > PCs > > and even some Mac and old Acorn machines all running Citrix Metaframe > > centrally to deliver a mixture of software from the Microsoft and Open > > Source communities. > > As a matter of interest, what did your Citrix licenses cost per seat? > The thing that has always put me off with Citrix is the cost of the > license which was about £130 a seat last time I looked but reducing with > volume. > -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by G.Harris 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Saga 2 Oh, and it also runs over wireless with no problem and it is accessible as a desktop from home even over a 56K modem which gives us full access to whatever we decide home users will have. We have access to the school web mail, a modified school intranet (pupil and staff versions), texting, a forum, all at minimum cost. Our staff find it very easy to use, but we are looking to tidy it up with a VLE, maybe home grown if we have time or perhaps something like Uniservity which fits in with our zoning ethos and is just brilliant. > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 07:07, G.Harris wrote: > > > The rest of our system is a mix of Windows PCs, Linux terminals, Unix > PCs > > and even some Mac and old Acorn machines all running Citrix Metaframe > > centrally to deliver a mixture of software from the Microsoft and Open > > Source communities. > > As a matter of interest, what did your Citrix licenses cost per seat? > The thing that has always put me off with Citrix is the cost of the > license which was about £130 a seat last time I looked but reducing with > volume. > -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] E-learning strategy consultation document
by Chris Puttick 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Personally following a brief read I'm a little concerned that the only mention of open source is a negative one - S120 - "How can we ensure that open source systems are affordable in terms of support?". If nothing else, how can they throw in that term without addressing a definition and examples in the body of the document? I'm also concerned that sections with obvious open source answers have nothing in them e.g. S102. I'm sure there's others but I haven't had a chance to read through them. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: ian [mailto:ian.lynch2@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sun 1/18/2004 1:12 PM To: SuSE Linux UK Schools Cc: Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] E-learning strategy consultation document The closing date for the government's e-learning strategy consultation document is the end of January. It is likely to be influential in future education software policy and hardly mentions FLOSS. I have heard that the number of responses made to the document is low so there is an opportunity to redress the balance if people who understand the issues take the time to fill out a response. The document itself is at http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations2/16/ I have sent a response on behalf of the Association for Free Software and my own company. If anyone wants this as a basis to save them time I can send it, but best not copy it word for word. Mainly its to get certain idea about open standards, strategy and inclusion policy across. -- ian <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Web Server setup.
by Rob Keeling 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

I am trying to set up a small internal web server for student use. The idea is that the subjects who create web pages can then upload (via sftp) the pages to each users home area on the server. I have this working, using winbind, pam_skel and apache set with Home dirs on, all on a SuSE 8.2 box. What I want to add now is mysql & php support. The idea being that we can give them a sample php script (say a questionnaire script for data handling), which their class mates can complete, and then the results can be read out of mysql probably via phpmyadm. However, I read that there are security problems with php if multiple users run scripts on the webserver, which run as the web server user. How do others cope with this problem? Any suggestions greatly received! Rob Keeling -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.

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E-learning strategy consultation document
by ian 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

The closing date for the government's e-learning strategy consultation document is the end of January. It is likely to be influential in future education software policy and hardly mentions FLOSS. I have heard that the number of responses made to the document is low so there is an opportunity to redress the balance if people who understand the issues take the time to fill out a response. The document itself is at http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations2/16/ I have sent a response on behalf of the Association for Free Software and my own company. If anyone wants this as a basis to save them time I can send it, but best not copy it word for word. Mainly its to get certain idea about open standards, strategy and inclusion policy across. -- ian <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com>

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Web Server setup.
by Rob Keeling 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Brett" <alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk> To: "Rob Keeling" <rob(a)rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Web Server setup. > If you enable php safe mode (http://www.php.net/features.safe-mode) > then scripts can only access files etc that are owned by the same UID > as the owner of the script itself, therefore they can't see/change > anything they haven't created. > > Hope this helps, > Alex Brett > alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk Alex, does this mean php checks for the owner of the script file, or checks for the effective uid which is running the script? For example, if the script is stored on the filesystem as owner fred, group nogroup, and apache is running as wwwrun,nogroup, will php in safe mode use fred or wwwrun? If its fred, then it sorts the problem, if it`s wwwrun, then anyones script could look at anyone elses files. Does that make sense? Thanks for the help. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School > > > On 17 Jan 2004 at 19:12, Rob Keeling wrote: > > > > > I am trying to set up a small internal web server for student use. The idea is that > > the subjects who create web pages can then upload (via sftp) the pages to each users > > home area on the server. > > > > I have this working, using winbind, pam_skel and apache set with Home dirs on, all on a SuSE > > 8.2 > > box. > > > > What I want to add now is mysql & php support. The idea being that we can give them a sample > > php > > script (say a questionnaire script for data handling), which their class mates can complete, and > > then > > the results can be read out of mysql probably via phpmyadm. > > > > However,I read that there are security problemswith php if multiple usersrun scriptson the > > webserver, > > which runas the web server user. > > > > How doothers copewith this problem? > > > > Any suggestions greatly received! > > > > RobKeeling > > > > -- > > > > I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. > > > > > >

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Sharp Zaurus
by garry saddington 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

I have had a terrible time trynig to set up usb networking on SuSE 9. I have followed all the instructions on the Sharp developers site and on the SuSE help database, and it won't work. When I plug the Zaurus into the cradle I get the beeps from the hotplug system and an ifconfig -a reveals two new interfaces - usb0 and usb1 both with different mac addresses and neither with any ip address assigned despite setting up the instructed network scripts. I have an inkling that the problem may be that both usbnet and usbdnet kernel drivers are activated as seen in lsmod. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? regards garry

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FLOSSIE bookings keep moving up!
by John Ingleby 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Thanks to all those who've already sent bookings, we now have 30 for the FLOSSIE conference in London on 18th February. We need just 20 more to break even, so there's every opportunity to go for a really *big* conference with over 100 delegates. Remember, we have capacity for 400, so if you haven't yet registered, or urged someone you know to register, please do it now! To book for the conference, download the (PDF) booking form from http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/registration_form.pdf or send an email to yvonne(a)thelearningmachine.co.uk -- John Ingleby ************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Rolling out software
by Grainge, Derek 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

> However, these days I only have absolute minimum locally installed - > OpenOffice is about it. Everything else is on server. If necessary, > registry settings and dll's can be copied across and registered automatically. Fair 'nuff. But there are still a number of programs which insist on storing config files in program folders. And some companies (e.g. Adobe) who claim their software HAS to be installed on local drives. Which is not necessarily true, but breaks their terms and conditions if you worry about such things. You are fighting programmers who don't understand the platform when networked and companies which are over-restrictive about what you can install and where. Plus ca change .... I guess that applies to Linux software as well as windows: some software will run if stored remotely, some won't. What do we all do about 'awkward' software? Refuse to use it? Fiddle with it? Spit upon the author's grave? (yes I realise I'm well off the original subject. Apologies) -- Derek Grainge Microtechnology Wellington College dgg(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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SquidGuard
by s-clarob＠st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Does anyone have any idea what has happened to the squidguard project? Rob

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Rolling out software
by Matt Johnson 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Hi all, It seems the greatest advantage that a solution such as RM Community Connect 3 has over installing SuSE Linux with Samba in a large school network to act as a PDC for Window XP clients is: Rolling out software. How do people manage their large installs? Silent install scripts? I'm new to this but I think this issue is possibly the show stopper in terms of convincing management they don't need to be locked in to proprietory companies. For those that don't know, RM Connect has a tool that allows admins to easily monitor changes that an install makes, and then pushes it out to selected machines at tthe click of a mouse. It's worked well here on Connect 2.4 (a purchasing decision made 6 months before I got this job). It's now time to move away from 98 on the desktop as it's being unreliable, and I don't want to be tied in any more. The progression that's assumed is RM CC3, but now's the time to move this school into a more open source solution. I could do with a hand on this specific issue. Any ideas...? (The other two schools I've installed and managed Linux in are small enough to manually install all software - that's less possible here and I'd like a more scalable solution). (I know the advantages of using Linux thin-clients or even fat clients. But XP has been settled on already for the curriculum desktops.) Thanks loads for any suggestions. -- Matt Johnson ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Rolling out software
by Joe 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

>How do people manage their large installs? Silent >install scripts? I'm new to this but I think this >issue is possibly the show stopper in terms of >convincing management they don't need to be locked in >to proprietory companies. We found four ways round this problem. (We had a linux/samba server and windows clients) - With Norton Ghost you can create images of software packages. These can then be automatically installed on Windows clients over the network. It helps if all the clients have the same OS. You might get away with installing a Win2K image on an XP machine but then again you might not. It's quite expensive to get all your machines licensed to use the network install feature. - Microsoft provide a program called scriptit which allows you to send key presses to running windows programs. We used it to automate install packages. You still have to visit each machine, log on and start the script but it saves clicking Next, Next Next etc... It's very fussy if someone touches the PC while it's running and switches focus away from the Installer's window it gets confused and gives up. Some things like WinZip we just couldn't get to work - For some smaller programs we extracted the relevant files and registry settings and copied them to the clients when the kids logged on. The script then wrote the machine name to a text file so we knew which PCs were done. - The final way we found was to form a lunch time "computer club" of keen kids. We organised exciting outings to the various computer suites where they could learn about practical IT by installing pieces of software. They obviously enjoyed it because they always came back! Hope this helps Joe

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Rolling out software
by Ben Higginbottom 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

>How do people manage their large installs? Silent >install scripts? I'm new to this but I think this >issue is possibly the show stopper in terms of >convincing management they don't need to be locked in >to proprietory companies. Take a look at AutoYaST: http://www.suse.de/~nashif/autoinstall/ Other options to consider are Norton Ghost (but your limited to using Ext2/3) or Clone In regard to CC3, North Manchester CLC went down that routewhen they were first set up, and apparently ripped out an active directory system because they couldnt get the policies to work, recently I've heared that that system too is in the process of being removed as well, so clearly isnt all that good or far too restrictive (imagine my surprize :) regards, Ben (currently spending half his week trying to keep a connect 2/win 98 system going a few months longer)

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Ximian
by Paul Taylor 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Hi all: Has anyone managed to get Ximian working from download? I have tried on 2 machines at home with 9.0 and both times it downloads fine and installs to about 99.9999% and then crashes out saying that x file is not compatable. Also, at school my colleague has tried to install it on a test machine and with the proxy it downloads about 60% and then says "IO - Soup error". I assume this is security related but I'm not sure on more than that. That machine will not do online updates as in the error log it says that there is no public key for gnpgp. Is that related to Soup? Paul Ps If Michael Brown is reading, my e-mails are bouncing back as spam and my calls are not getting through. I need to order 5-10 NICs from you but need to know the price for the finance manager. Can you let me know on this e-mail address or ptaylor(a)writhlington.bathnes.sch.uk please. -- ポール, 美弥子 & 小雪

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Ximian
by Ben Higginbottom 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

>Has anyone managed to get Ximian working from download? I have tried on >2 machines at home with 9.0 and both times it downloads fine and installs >to about 99.9999% and then crashes out saying that x file is not >compatable.Also, at school my colleague has tried to install it on a test machine >and with the proxy it downloads about 60% and then says "IO - Soup error". >I assume this is security related but I'm not sure on more than that. >That machine will not do online updates as in the error log it says that >there is no public key for gnpgp. Is that related to Soup? Well guessing your refering to Ximian desktop rather than evolution, then yes I played with it over christmas on suse 9. Its a very nice,very polished version of Gnome 2.2, with lots of little fixes rather than anything hugely different. However unless your converting a group of mac users to linux or require corporate levels of support for windowmanagers I'd just install Gnome 2.4, IIRC ximian wont be upgraded until gnome goes to 2.6. As for the errors your getting, I cant be sure but wget can get a little troublesome with proxies, what are your settings in wgetrc? Regards, Ben

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RE: [Schoolforge-uk] FLOSSIE Progress
by Grahame Leon-Smith＠FreeComputers 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hi all I will be attending. I also have a possible speaker. Is there any room left ? Regards, Grahame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Grahame Leon-Smith, Chairman of Trustees Tel +44-1932-874303 Fax +44-1932-874068 FREE COMPUTERS FOR EDUCATION Registered Charity No. 1059116 PLEASE VISIT OUR WEB SITE AT < http://www.free-computers.org> and for further information just send a blank email to: < mailto:free-computers-news-subscribe@yahoogroups.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: schoolforge-uk-admin(a)lists.centralmanclc.com [mailto:schoolforge-uk-admin@lists.centralmanclc.com]On Behalf Of John Ingleby Sent: 08 January 2004 11:31 To: Schoolforge-UK; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Subject: [Schoolforge-uk] FLOSSIE Progress Aplogies for cross-posting - I just learned there are now 22 registrations for the FLOSSIE conference on 18th February! We're making progress, but there's not long to go. Remember, the conference needs 50 delegates to break even, so just *28 more* will do it. We're aiming for at least 100, and there's capacity for 400, so if you haven't registered already, please do it now! To register, download the booking form from the link at www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/conference200402.html or send an email to yvonne(a)thelearningmachine.co.uk Keep 'em coming! John Ingleby ************ -----Forwarded Message----- From: YPlows(a)aol.com To: john(a)coronet.co.uk Cc: ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com Subject: Flossie Numbers Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:17:09 -0500 John Just to let you know that as at this morning we have 22 bookings for the conference with more (hopefully) expected. Regards Yvonne _______________________________________________ Schoolforge-uk mailing list Schoolforge-uk(a)lists.centralmanclc.com http://lists.centralmanclc.com/mailman/listinfo/schoolforge-uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 20/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 20/12/2003

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FLOSSIE Progress
by John Ingleby 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

Aplogies for cross-posting - I just learned there are now 22 registrations for the FLOSSIE conference on 18th February! We're making progress, but there's not long to go. Remember, the conference needs 50 delegates to break even, so just *28 more* will do it. We're aiming for at least 100, and there's capacity for 400, so if you haven't registered already, please do it now! To register, download the booking form from the link at www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/conference200402.html or send an email to yvonne(a)thelearningmachine.co.uk Keep 'em coming! John Ingleby ************ -----Forwarded Message----- From: YPlows(a)aol.com To: john(a)coronet.co.uk Cc: ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com Subject: Flossie Numbers Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:17:09 -0500 John Just to let you know that as at this morning we have 22 bookings for the conference with more (hopefully) expected. Regards Yvonne

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