On Tuesday 27 January 2004 19:10, Thomas Adam wrote:

Galeon is far too over-loated, relying on the core set of GNOME libs to get the damn thing going. Mozilla-firebird is quite good, I would go with that.

I haven't tried Firebird on LTSP but I suspect it may perform worse than Galeon. My experience is with Mozilla, but the reasoning is the same: For Mozilla and Firebird, the user interface uses XUL, whereas Galeon uses 'real code' (even if it is bloated). Consequently, when multiple instances of Galeon are running, all this code is shared, whereas with Mozilla and Firebird, the user interface code is interpreted separately, and stored separately in memory for each instance. This made a dramatic difference in the memory demands on the server for us . Sorry I can't remember how much, but it was an extremely significant improvement when we moved from Mozilla to Galeon. Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Adam" To: "Rob Keeling" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Any ideas on LTSP?

--- Rob Keeling wrote:

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We are seeing frequent freeze ups while browsing the web, leaving stuck processes that need be killed.

An indication as to their state when the freeze is of importance here:

ps aux | awk '/Z/ {print $11}' ps aux | awk '/D/ {print $11}'

suse-6thltsp:~ # ps aux | awk '/Z/ {print $11}' COMMAND awk suse-6thltsp:~ # ps aux | awk '/D/ {print $11}' COMMAND /usr/lib/samba/classic/nmbd /usr/lib/samba/classic/smbd /usr/sbin/squid (squid) /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs /sbin/mount.smbfs suse-6thltsp:~ #

This would help us determine if the process is merely zombing is really is being killed. Galeon isn't segfaulting is it?

Top Lists 7:29pm up 1 day, 1:51, 1 user, load average: 1.14, 1.08, 1.01 83 processes: 80 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 99.8% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 999988K av, 985596K used, 14392K free, 0K shrd, 37864K buff Swap: 514040K av, 0K used, 514040K free 719744K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 17609 8PotterC 25 0 25952 25M 16568 R 99.8 2.5 315:20 galeon-bin 19646 root 15 0 1060 1060 820 R 0.1 0.1 0:00 top 1 root 15 0 240 240 204 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 keventd 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 ksoftirqd_CPU0 4 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 kswapd 5 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 bdflush 6 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 kupdated 7 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 kinoded 9 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 mdrecoveryd 73 root 0 -20 0 0 0 SW< 0.0 0.0 0:00 lvm-mpd 343 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 eth0 389 root

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Other than nightly reboots, are there any other low processor load browsers that might be better than Galeon or do we just need a newer version?

Not sure what the ps aux | awk '/Z/ {print $11}' ps aux | awk '/D/ {print $11}' Mean, but this is pointing to a possible samba problem? What do you think? Thanks Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School