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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet
by crowhurst 14 May '03

14 May '03

> >> We have 100Mb broadband > Bl**dy hell!!! really?!?! ain't it sweet ;) > What are you using to see whether a user has visited a site, what is your reporting tool? > Our users authenticate with the proxy, and that is what tells us what they've been doing, and controls their access. Actually to be honest I doubt if anyone asked we would know. That is all down to our esteemed leader! I expect there is some proprietory RM utility that is inherently complicated to use. The linux part would be my responsibility, thats why I'm making it a bit more of a priority! I could I suppose authenticate each user, and then use a linux based proxy just to sit my internet clients behind, and do all of the logging on that? Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: crowhurst [mailto:crowhurst@hatchend.harrow.sch.uk] > Sent: Wed 14/05/2003 10:47 > To: suse-linux-uk-schools > Cc: > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet > > > > Well currently we don't have one! At least not on site - Each client has an > ip in the range 10.112.44.x with the proxy being at a remote site. It all > seems to work quite happily though. . Someone told > our head of it that our proxy would be slowing it down (which I had my > doubts about but still...) so we had the upheaval of changing it all about > so that each client talked directly to our broadband providers proxy. > > I'm not sure that the way you have yours is suitable for us though. Let me > clarify: > > I need to be able to say that user x did/did not look at the site > www.somethingdodgy.com > I don't want each user to have a "Windows account" and a "Linux Account" so > want to be able to use the username/password from the win2k domain. for > both. It is each individual user that needs to authenticate. > > cheers, > > Dan

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet
by Robb Bloomfield 14 May '03

14 May '03

>> We have 100Mb broadband Bl**dy hell!!! really?!?! What are you using to see whether a user has visited a site, what is your reporting tool? Our users authenticate with the proxy, and that is what tells us what they've been doing, and controls their access. -----Original Message----- From: crowhurst [mailto:crowhurst@hatchend.harrow.sch.uk] Sent: Wed 14/05/2003 10:47 To: suse-linux-uk-schools Cc: Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet Well currently we don't have one! At least not on site - Each client has an ip in the range 10.112.44.x with the proxy being at a remote site. It all seems to work quite happily though. . Someone told our head of it that our proxy would be slowing it down (which I had my doubts about but still...) so we had the upheaval of changing it all about so that each client talked directly to our broadband providers proxy. I'm not sure that the way you have yours is suitable for us though. Let me clarify: I need to be able to say that user x did/did not look at the site www.somethingdodgy.com I don't want each user to have a "Windows account" and a "Linux Account" so want to be able to use the username/password from the win2k domain. for both. It is each individual user that needs to authenticate. cheers, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robb Bloomfield" <rebloomfield(a)royallatin.bucks.sch.uk> To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet > Let me clarify slightly... > > The proxy used to use our NT4 server to authenticate, so we only had one username and password... then we moved to Active Directory without knowing that IGEAR can't talk to it, so we had to set up proxy accounts, hence two usernames and passwords. > > Each student is fully accountable, as our Linux clients with Konqueror are able to pick up the proxy and authenticate quite happily. I can also manage the proxy via its web interface using Linux.... > > What are you using for a proxy? > > -----Original Message----- > From: crowhurst [mailto:crowhurst@hatchend.harrow.sch.uk] > Sent: Wed 14/05/2003 10:21 > To: Robb Bloomfield > Cc: > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet > > > > According to our Grid for Learning T&C's each user must be accountable for > what he/she has viewed on the net. Authenticating them against their Win2k > domain usernames, using SAMBA was best way I thought, but any other views > on this anyone? > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robb Bloomfield" <rebloomfield(a)royallatin.bucks.sch.uk> > To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:18 AM > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet > > > > The machines should be fine to run just a web browser, and I would say > that depending on your setup, you wouldn't even need a SAMBA server. We're > using an I-GEAR proxy through our local grid for learning, which works no > problem on linux clients. The authentication is done by the proxy, as it > can't query Active Directory in it's current build.... > > > > HTH, > > > > Robb > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: crowhurst [mailto:crowhurst@hatchend.harrow.sch.uk] > > Sent: Wed 14/05/2003 10:08 > > To: suse-linux-uk-schools > > Cc: > > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Whilst I have played a little with Linux over the years, I wouldn't say I > > was an expert by any means, and I have just joined this list. > > > > I work for a school in London, and we have a pile of Pentium 200 machines, > > with 32MB and 2Gb disks gathering dust in the corner. > > > > Rather than bin them I am keen to put them to good use as internet > terminals > > (probably fat client) > > > > We are going to be running a RM Connect 3 network, that is Win2k/XP as our > > main network. The users would have to be authenticated by the Win2k > domain, > > but other than that I cant foresee any restrictions. > > > > Would these machines be able to cope with this? They would only need to > run > > a web browser, and possibly email. So nothing fancy. Just Log In > Browse > > internet > Log off > > > > I also have the use of a 300MHz server 256MB 10Gb. > > > > I figured I could use the server as a samba server, which will allow me to > > authenticate to the Win2k domain I think, with the clients running a > > stripped down GUI with a browser. > > > > Any ideas on the best GUI/browser combination to use? > > > > > > Anyone tried something like this? I'd like to hear from you! > > > > And any other ideas/advice/input is greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Dan > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet
by Robb Bloomfield 14 May '03

14 May '03

>>These machines will not perform at all well as fat clients - unless you don't >>want to run a desktop. We managed a P120 with 32MB RAM, was a bit slow, but once the browsers up, it was okay...

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet
by Robb Bloomfield 14 May '03

14 May '03

The machines should be fine to run just a web browser, and I would say that depending on your setup, you wouldn't even need a SAMBA server. We're using an I-GEAR proxy through our local grid for learning, which works no problem on linux clients. The authentication is done by the proxy, as it can't query Active Directory in it's current build.... HTH, Robb -----Original Message----- From: crowhurst [mailto:crowhurst@hatchend.harrow.sch.uk] Sent: Wed 14/05/2003 10:08 To: suse-linux-uk-schools Cc: Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Using older machines for the internet Hi everyone, Whilst I have played a little with Linux over the years, I wouldn't say I was an expert by any means, and I have just joined this list. I work for a school in London, and we have a pile of Pentium 200 machines, with 32MB and 2Gb disks gathering dust in the corner. Rather than bin them I am keen to put them to good use as internet terminals (probably fat client) We are going to be running a RM Connect 3 network, that is Win2k/XP as our main network. The users would have to be authenticated by the Win2k domain, but other than that I cant foresee any restrictions. Would these machines be able to cope with this? They would only need to run a web browser, and possibly email. So nothing fancy. Just Log In > Browse internet > Log off I also have the use of a 300MHz server 256MB 10Gb. I figured I could use the server as a samba server, which will allow me to authenticate to the Win2k domain I think, with the clients running a stripped down GUI with a browser. Any ideas on the best GUI/browser combination to use? Anyone tried something like this? I'd like to hear from you! And any other ideas/advice/input is greatly appreciated. Thanks all, Dan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind
by Chris Puttick 14 May '03

14 May '03

First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Second, if you want to reincarnate the older machines, try playing with thin client, it's more productive in reducing school costs and so much more fun! Third, mount <your RM server>\<user's share> to /home/<username>/mywork - I'd probably investigate doing this with smbmount and smbauth. As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Edmondson To: Rob Keeling; SuSE Linux UK Schools Sent: 5/11/03 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind Hi Rob, Thanks for getting back to me. > Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. By console, I meant Workstation. I have installed SuSE 8.1 with a KDE desktop (running Mozilla for Web, Open Office for productivity). The reason for doing this is to reincarnate some of our older machines (plus I enjoy fiddling). The school is running RM Connect 2.4 (soon to be 3). That is the reason I want the usernames and passwords to come from the NT domain. On Connect, each user has a work space called MyWork. This is held on the server's D drive, but gets mapped to a users N drive. D:\Users\Y98\Y98SmithJ becomes N:\MyWork when JSmith logs in. Any advice..? Regards Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://www.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keeling" <rob(a)rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk> To: "SuSE Linux UK Schools" <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone out there successfully got SuSE working with WinBind so that > > users can log on to a SuSE console with their NT/Win2K username and > > password? > > > > Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. > > > Once this is done, how easy is it then to map a work drive from the NT > > domain to a SuSE drive? > > With a fiddle factor I have managed to set up suse 8.1 to join a NT domain, > allow the > Domain users to log on with their home directory mounted from an NT server. > > I haven`t managed the same trick with X windows yet, but hopefully someone > is going to point out the glaring error tomorrow. > > Let me know what your trying to acheve. > > Rob Keeling > Network Manager > Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School > > > > > Your help is appreciated, > > > > Many thanks > > > > Gareth Edmondson > > ICT Department: Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr > > 01792 870026 > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Starting xdm with SUSE 8.2
by Alan Davies 13 May '03

13 May '03

I always seem to get this problem. New version of SUSE - and there is something which I can't get to work. With SUSE8.0 it was the telnet demon. This seems to work fine with v8.2 - first time (almost). However the remote display manager does not seem to work. I have modified the line in displaymanger to say yes. I have commented out the line in xdm-config. But my cygwin Xserver clients will not connect. What else do I need to look for? (oh - and yes I changed the run level to start up xdm.)

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school
by Chris Puttick 13 May '03

13 May '03

As a matter of interest, ours (will be, pending v23.4.3.5.... approval) is self sustaining, based on a school subscription to services. But then we're using a JANet link and filtering at the school level using evolved Powys type boxes. Reduces the costs significantly (while improving performance, manageability and cost of upgrade). -----Original Message----- From: Richard Rothwell To: 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com ' Sent: 5/12/03 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school I cannot imagine _anyone_ being prepared to use the BGfL (Birminghan) as their only internet connection! If filters are extreme - to the point of stupidity... You cannot access on-line bank accounts, slashdot was filtered for weeks before our screaming was heard, I could go on... I guess this cuts to the point that when this Government money runs out, then these local GfL's are going to have to become very competative, very quickly. Anyone up for a small wager? > > I think that ALL schools (and libraries) should act > as local community > wireless nodes. > ===== rgds, Richard Rothwell -------------------------------------------------------------------- GNU and Wine are rirds. Rird is recursively defined. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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MS media player and file deletion
by Paul Sutton 13 May '03

13 May '03

Can someone please clarify the situation regarding the ability of MS to delete files from a harddisk, via Media player or using the EULA as a way of doing this, thanks paul

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school
by Phil Driscoll 12 May '03

12 May '03

Oops - forgot to copy this to the list. To the best of my knowledge, the government requires you to have a symmetric connection so ADSL is not an option unless it is impossible to get a symmetric connection. A ludicrous directive I know - as anyone who has ever metered their network traffic will agree! Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school
by Chris Puttick 12 May '03

12 May '03

Particularly if the user is happy to be severely filtered, as would be required for any pupil accessing school resources through the same network... And they'd probably need to use something with a little more "intelligence", like the Vivato stuff, as the pupils would need access to the school's resources, not just the Internet - see: http://vivato.net -----Original Message----- From: Josef Davies-Coates To: MJ Ray Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com; vortex(a)free2air.net Sent: 5/12/03 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school I think that ALL schools (and libraries) should act as local community wireless nodes. So long as these networks are community owned the potential benefits from such a system could be huge for everyone. Other sites to check out (aprat from the already mentioned http://www.consume.net) are http://www.free2air.org and http://www.freenetworks.org Best, Josef Davies-Coates MJ Ray wrote: >David Bowles <dbowles(a)educationsupport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > >>I'm living now is so far from my local exchange (over 7KM) there is no >>way I could get broadband even if BT made my exchange broadband ready. >> >> > >Remember: there are other ways to get high-speed access than ADSL and cable. >A number of wireless networking projects are underway and more interested >people are welcome at most of them. The largest project site is probably >http://www.consume.net/ > >MJR > > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind
by Chris Puttick 12 May '03

12 May '03

RM (originally) stood for Research Machines - I believe they are just RM PLC now. They specialise in the supply of really expensive ICT solutions for education, particularly schools. Almost entirely MS, with the exception of their new proxy server, which is Squid. See: http://rm.com -----Original Message----- From: Josef Davies-Coates To: Chris Puttick Cc: 'adrian.wells '; ''SuSE Linux UK Schools ' ' Sent: 5/12/03 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind Please remind me what RM stands Thanks Josef Davies-Coates Chris Puttick wrote: >One of the schools we support now pay £230 for a brand new, fully functional >desktop PC with 17" flat CRT monitor. Thin (ish) client of course, but the >new ones are only needed for multimedia work - secondhand units cost more >like £100. Their new servers cost them about £1400 each, have 3 year on-site >warranties included. > >Never having asked before what the RM solution was costing them, I now fully >understand how eager the school was to go down this route... > >-----Original Message----- >From: adrian.wells >To: 'SuSE Linux UK Schools ' >Sent: 5/12/03 9:33 AM >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind > > > > >>As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up >> >> >with > > >>RM? >> >> > >It costs us, in addition to maint. contracts on the servers (which we >would >have anyway) and ISP (which we would pay anyway), a little under £200 >per >machine (one off) for the office licence & the RM licence. > >Their is a plus side, I insist that we by PC from RM for "compatibility >reasons" otherwise I am (was) forced to purchase the cheapest kit going >which meant that sometimes I might have as many as 5 machines with the >same >spec. This is murder from a maint. point of view although I ran batches >on >the Novell box to load the correct drivers, still not nice! > >Adrian Wells > > > >

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school
by techies stpauls 12 May '03

12 May '03

is there any real evidence to say that radio masts cause health prolems? or is it just people geting excited over media hype? > As an aside, > > It's interesting that people are happy to put wireless networking into > schools but not mobile radio masts (from which the schools can make > revenue). I know that the power output is different, but one is likely to be > sat in close proximity for some considerable time when the body is > susceptible to such influences. (I was under the impression that the > operation of such equipment is not yet technically legal in the U.K.. - > maybe that's just some frequencies?) > Is this because it is not perceived to be 'big business' or is RFR somehow > safer if used for surfing the net? :-) > > Does anyone have any HSE figures or thoughts? > > On a personal note, I don't have a mobile phone. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josef Davies-Coates <josef(a)uniteddiversity.com> > To: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> > Cc: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com>; <vortex(a)free2air.net> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL speeds into school > > > > I think that ALL schools (and libraries) should act as local community > > wireless nodes. > > > > So long as these networks are community owned the potential benefits > > from such a system could be huge for everyone. > > > > Other sites to check out (aprat from the already mentioned > > http://www.consume.net) are http://www.free2air.org and > > http://www.freenetworks.org > > > > Best, > > > > Josef Davies-Coates > > > > MJ Ray wrote: > > > > >David Bowles <dbowles(a)educationsupport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I'm living now is so far from my local exchange (over 7KM) there is no > > >>way I could get broadband even if BT made my exchange broadband ready. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Remember: there are other ways to get high-speed access than ADSL and > cable. > > >A number of wireless networking projects are underway and more interested > > >people are welcome at most of them. The largest project site is probably > > >http://www.consume.net/ > > > > > >MJR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > Sam Deakin and Andrew Nix St Paul's Catholic High School Firbank Road Newall Green Wythenshawe Manchester M23 2YS tel: 0161 4375841, ext. 168 fax: 0161 4982030 tech4766(a)mecgrid.org.uk

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind
by Chris Puttick 12 May '03

12 May '03

One of the schools we support now pay £230 for a brand new, fully functional desktop PC with 17" flat CRT monitor. Thin (ish) client of course, but the new ones are only needed for multimedia work - secondhand units cost more like £100. Their new servers cost them about £1400 each, have 3 year on-site warranties included. Never having asked before what the RM solution was costing them, I now fully understand how eager the school was to go down this route... -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells To: 'SuSE Linux UK Schools ' Sent: 5/12/03 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind > As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with > RM? It costs us, in addition to maint. contracts on the servers (which we would have anyway) and ISP (which we would pay anyway), a little under £200 per machine (one off) for the office licence & the RM licence. Their is a plus side, I insist that we by PC from RM for "compatibility reasons" otherwise I am (was) forced to purchase the cheapest kit going which meant that sometimes I might have as many as 5 machines with the same spec. This is murder from a maint. point of view although I ran batches on the Novell box to load the correct drivers, still not nice! Adrian Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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FW: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse on the school network !!
by Chris Puttick 12 May '03

12 May '03

Can only speak for Viglen, but their software is a pain... I use Webmin to configure each SuSE/RedHat server, works really well. Rest is done by Windows machines at the moment. Has anyone any experience in using Print Queues and autodownloading the driver with Win2000 from Linux using Webmin? Dug Gilberd School -----Original Message----- From: Chris Puttick [mailto:chris@centralmanclc.com] Sent: 11 May 2003 08:36 To: 'Suse-Linux-Uk-Schools ' Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse on the school network !! Try webmin: http://www.webmin.com/ - that should take care of a lot of your requirements. You might also want to consider thin client Linux (particularly a rather nice little solution to be called Nymph (?)), even if you retain Windows for must-have software that won't function in any other way. Thin client makes package roll-out painless (just the servers!), obviates the need for any serious desktop protection solution (only affects that user, rather than that computer, and the user profile can be rebuilt in minutes) and makes home/school access a reality. RM and Viglen are a pain in the proverbial... (just guessing!) Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Edmond Sng To: Suse-Linux-Uk-Schools Sent: 5/11/03 12:30 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse on the school network !! Hi, Are there any software vendor in the industry that sells linux based workstation administration software? I am aware that we can have a linux PDC and use SAMBA to connect windows workstations. I am looking for an administration software that can manage users' desktop, remotely install the software packages, creating and deleting users, managing print queues, set up topics etc. At the moment the school is still using NT4.0 and the administration software packages is supplied by a PLC company that specialise in School network. It would be great to get out of NT4.0 and get into Linux. Look forward to hearing from you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind
by Rob Keeling 11 May '03

11 May '03

> Hi, > > Has anyone out there successfully got SuSE working with WinBind so that > users can log on to a SuSE console with their NT/Win2K username and > password? > Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. > Once this is done, how easy is it then to map a work drive from the NT > domain to a SuSE drive? With a fiddle factor I have managed to set up suse 8.1 to join a NT domain, allow the Domain users to log on with their home directory mounted from an NT server. I haven`t managed the same trick with X windows yet, but hopefully someone is going to point out the glaring error tomorrow. Let me know what your trying to acheve. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School > > Your help is appreciated, > > Many thanks > > Gareth Edmondson > ICT Department: Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr > 01792 870026

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3.1 anomolie?
by Paul Taylor 11 May '03

11 May '03

Since upgrading 8.1 to KDE 3.1 i have noticed that if I open the file manager (su) in anything but a root desktop, it opens and displays for a second then disappears. I thought this was SuSE related but on another machine using RH 9 and 3.1 it does the same thing. Has anyone else seen this? Anyone know a fix? Paul

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse on the school network !!
by Chris Puttick 11 May '03

11 May '03

Try webmin: http://www.webmin.com/ - that should take care of a lot of your requirements. You might also want to consider thin client Linux (particularly a rather nice little solution to be called Nymph (?)), even if you retain Windows for must-have software that won't function in any other way. Thin client makes package roll-out painless (just the servers!), obviates the need for any serious desktop protection solution (only affects that user, rather than that computer, and the user profile can be rebuilt in minutes) and makes home/school access a reality. RM and Viglen are a pain in the proverbial... (just guessing!) Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Edmond Sng To: Suse-Linux-Uk-Schools Sent: 5/11/03 12:30 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse on the school network !! Hi, Are there any software vendor in the industry that sells linux based workstation administration software? I am aware that we can have a linux PDC and use SAMBA to connect windows workstations. I am looking for an administration software that can manage users' desktop, remotely install the software packages, creating and deleting users, managing print queues, set up topics etc. At the moment the school is still using NT4.0 and the administration software packages is supplied by a PLC company that specialise in School network. It would be great to get out of NT4.0 and get into Linux. Look forward to hearing from you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Suse on the school network !!
by Edmond Sng 11 May '03

11 May '03

Hi, Are there any software vendor in the industry that sells linux based workstation administration software? I am aware that we can have a linux PDC and use SAMBA to connect windows workstations. I am looking for an administration software that can manage users' desktop, remotely install the software packages, creating and deleting users, managing print queues, set up topics etc. At the moment the school is still using NT4.0 and the administration software packages is supplied by a PLC company that specialise in School network. It would be great to get out of NT4.0 and get into Linux. Look forward to hearing from you.

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OFT and MSSA
by Chris Puttick 10 May '03

10 May '03

What about the more extreme case of the council using funds to extend an MS Enterprise agreement to schools? Is this for the OFT to examine or the NAO? I have reason to believe the coucil in question are directly negotiating with MS rather than going to tender for equivalent solutions. -----Original Message----- From: ian To: SuSE mailing list for UK schools Sent: 5/5/03 11:06 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] OFT and MSSA In December I filed a complaint to the OFT with regard to MSSA being anti-competitive because it requires the payment of licences to MS for machines that do not run any of their software. I think most people would agree that an effect of this, intentional or not, is to block competition by ensuring revenue for MS from rival installations. There was an article in the Register and the Times on this and I am talking to Computer Weekly about it tomorrow. The OFT have now decided there are reasonable grounds for a full investigation so collecting evidence is important. This is an important issue for Suse and in fact any Linux distribution that wants to get onto the desktop in schools. If MS succeed in a strategy of getting most schools onto the MSSA it will virtually kill any chance of getting Linux at the desktop in schools. The OFT, has specific bureaucratic requirements in investigating these issues and it could take up to 2 years to come to a judgement and even then it might not be the one we would like. So this is only a beginning but an important one if Linux is to thrive in schools. If you have any evidence that MSSA is blocking Linux adoption in your school or any other that you know, particularly if you work for a commercial Linux company (Roger?) the principal case officer dealing with this is Edward.Anderson(a)oft.gsi.gov.uk. If you need more information drop me a line. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-5-664844,00.html (Times link) Thanks, -- ian <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Technician job
by Christopher Dawkins 08 May '03

08 May '03

Would you excuse a brief advert? Our Aussie gap-year technician has to return home suddenly for medical reasons. We have a potentially full-time post for a replacement, preferably resident. Write to me - don't clog the list .... -- Christopher Dawkins, Felsted School, Dunmow, Essex CM6 3JG 01371-822698, mobile 07816 821659 cchd(a)felsted.essex.sch.uk

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Schoolforge-UK cont'd
by Chris Puttick 07 May '03

07 May '03

Sounds good to me, although starting a sentence with precipitated? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: James Spedding To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 5/7/03 11:56 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Schoolforge-UK cont'd here's the bit I was going to put on the CD. does it say enough or too much? Precipitated by the coming together of delegates at the conference a new organisation has been formed "to promote and support the use of freely-licensed resources and non-proprietary software in UK Schools" and "to make open educational resources more effective, efficient, and ubiquitous by enhancing communication, sharing resources, and increasing the transparency of development". Further information and official announcements will follow from Schoolforge-UK. If you are interested in finding out more please email interest(a)schoolforge.org.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Local Squid DNS Resolving
by Mark Evans 07 May '03

07 May '03

On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 08:52:28AM +0100, Dug Stokes wrote: > Ok, but we use NT/2000 Servers for DNS... :S IIRC these are a hacked about version of bind4, personally I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole. > Can you summerise what this does?! It's a standard configuration for bind 8 with forward and reverse zone files. There are some good docs in the Linux Network Administrators Guide http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x-087-2-resolv.html Also there is no point in attempting to query the external nameservers for anything on your LAN. They don't know anything about it and will return "not founds". > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk] > Sent: 06 May 2003 15:50 > To: Dug Stokes > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Local Squid DNS Resolving > > > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:15:31PM +0100, Dug Stokes wrote: > > They're internal name servers; I've setup the following in the resolv; > > > > nameserver 10.35.145.130 > > nameserver 10.35.145.12 > > nameserver 194.177.160.2 > > nameserver 194.177.170.2 > > > > The top two are interal addresses. > > At absolute best this will work some of the time > > On machines 10.35.145.130 and 10.35.145.12 > put the line > forwarders { 194.177.160.2; 194.177.170.2; }; > into /etc/named.conf > > Assuming that 10.35.145.130 is the master the > rest of its /etc/named.conf should look something > like > > zone "localhost" IN { > type master; > file "localhost.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "127.0.0.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > zone "gilberd.essex.sch.uk" IN { > type master; > file "gilberd.essex.sch.uk.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > zone "145.35.10.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "10.35.145.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > > Assuming that 10.35.145.12 is a slave then > the rest of its /etc/named.conf should look something > like > > zone "localhost" IN { > type master; > file "localhost.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > > zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type master; > file "127.0.0.zone"; > check-names fail; > allow-update { none; }; > }; > zone "gilberd.essex.sch.uk" IN { > type slave; > file "slave/db.gilberd.essex.sch.uk"; > masters { 10.35.145.130; }; > }; > zone "145.35.10.in-addr.arpa" IN { > type slave; > file "slave/db.10.35.145"; > masters { 10.35.145.130; }; > }; > > Then remove all references to 194.177.160.2 > and 194.177.160.2 in /etc/resolv.conf. > > To check that it is working try > "host 127.0.0.1 10.35.145.130" > -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

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Schoolforge
by James Spedding 06 May '03

06 May '03

After a long wait the conference CDROM is ready to go but...... I want to include something about Schoolforge UK's creation but I don't know what I could say before the official announcement. If it's best I keep my mouth shut then let me know otherwise I'm open to offers. Also, I agree the font for the Schoolforge Logo is terrible - any suggestions for a replacement? Serif? sans-serif? simple arial? something else? Also Chris did you get any joy from the schoolforge.org people for their original artwork? James

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Local Squid DNS Resolving
by Dug Stokes 06 May '03

06 May '03

Ahh, yeah, host not found, even though there are servers in resolv. D -----Original Message----- From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk] Sent: 06 May 2003 14:47 To: Dug Stokes Cc: 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com' Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Local Squid DNS Resolving On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:32:07PM +0100, Dug Stokes wrote: > Yep, I changed the setting, (yes, it was the right one!), been tailing > the log which works with IdentD (always has!) - and -k reconfigured, > and also stopped and started it. Nothing. :( What have you got in /etc/resolv.conf? Does "host <any IP on your local network>" give you? If you get "Host 15.146.144.195.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" or similar then you have no reverse DNS. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problem mounting floppy
by s-clarob＠st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk 06 May '03

06 May '03

open a terminal session make sure /media/floppy does actually exists as a directory then making sure your not in the /media/floppy directroy mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy the vfat file system should work for windows formatted floppys and older dos formatted floppys. Rob. At 14:49 06/05/2003 +0100, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: <s-clarob(a)st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problem mounting floppy > > > > Have you tried mounting the floppy specifying the mount point and fs type? > > I.E. not relying on the fstab > > > > Robin > >How would I do that? I have a shortcut on the desktop that includes this >info, is this what you are suggesting? > >Adrian

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