April 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] RM proxy server query
by Stephen Ogden 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

>From: Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16(a)yahoo.com> >What's wrpng with using Squid and SquidGuard, along >with DansGuardian??? > >Works everytime for me....no trouble. Since I notionally no longer work for that school.. they didn't want a 'solution' (current squid box) that required retraining their 'willing to retrain network administrator' or relying on me to help them (even though it didn't need touching at all any more). So they (the moron non techie in charge) buy exactly the same thing (oops.. sorry.. I mean far far less) from RM for a competitive price (read: exortionate). >Regards, > >Thomas Adam >(No Longer a VII form student at Purbeck) > > --- Stephen Ogden <psuedo_azrael(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >From: Philip Hands <phil(a)hands.com> > > >On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 01:26, Stephen Ogden wrote: > > > > RM now sell a proxy server solution that uses > > proxy .. caching but not > > > > filtering.. unless you pay extra. > > > > They don't even give you the root password so > > you can install extra > > >stuff > > > > yourself. > > > > > >That's a bit poor, but I suppose they are trying to > > prevent people from > > >shooting themselves in the foot. > > > > True, all maintainance has to be done by them, or > > you void the warranty.. > > but it very nicely prevents you even seeing what > > software is used.. or > > adding your own. > > > > > > I was just curious in what way this reflected > > the license of the GPL > > > > software they are selling.. does witholding > > access to your ability to > > >modify > > > > the program count as any sort of infringement? > > > > > >Well, I doubt the are withholding access in any > > real manner. If you > > >have physical access, you should be able to get > > root, by rebooting, and > > >either breaking in at the LILO prompt, or booting > > of a rescue floppy or > > >CD. If they've made it so that you'd need to void > > the warranty to > > >acheive this, then it is starting to look like > > they're going at least > > >against the spirit of the GPL, if not the letter. > > > > Yes, that's the way I see it.. it feels really > > dirty! > > > > >Do they provide source code for the product? If > > it's GPLed, in part or > > >whole and they've not accompanied it either with > > the source, or with a > > >reasonably prominent offer of the source, and > > idication of your right to > > >it, then they're in breach of the GPL. > > > > I can't say for sure, however, as you have no access > > to the box, who knows > > what software you're even getting! It is probably > > just standard squid. And > > all the source may well be available on the > > machine.. that you can't get > > into. > > > > I did offer to get in and change the root password.. > > but the man in charge > > thought that would be a rather bad idea ... he's > > probably right > > > > >Cheers, Phil. > > > > -- > > Azrael > > > > ("\''/").___..--'''"-._ > > `0_ O ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) > > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' > > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' > > ((i).-'' ((i).' (((.-' > > > > Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot > > be made the slave of > > the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be > > crossed with a cat it would > > improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat. > > > > ICQ#52944566 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > >===== >Thomas Adam > -- Azrael ("\''/").___..--'''"-._ `0_ O ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' ((i).-'' ((i).' (((.-' Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with a cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat. ICQ#52944566 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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THANKS power surge-PC not working
by Ron Johnson 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Thanks Phillip Hands, Ian Birdsey, Ian Lynch, David Nelson, David Woolard etc. the advice was very helpful and greatly appreciated in the end I did practically the whole lot recommended. PSU did need replacing cleared CMOS and reseated processor, cpu worked in other PC etc finally convinced mboard gone got new one ECS mboard(poor board poor layout) still didnt work then thought front case switches (wires everywhere made me look clever?) then graphics card - finally day and half later pinned it down to one hdd making system not come on (presumably shorted) and then got smoke coming from 2nd hdd (ho ho) so next step will be new hdd and hope the rest works Thanks for all the help - I enjoyed figuring it out (cept for the cost) I now know heaps more (may not amount to much!) Yours Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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power surge-PC not working
by Ron Johnson 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Dear anyone We had an electrician in today to do kitchen stuff (well it is the holidays and we have been saving)( for ages) so electricity has been on and off most of the day (do u know where this is heading I wonder). I noticed when the electrics where turned back on my computer came on (had surge plug connected last week) so clever me I switched off the supply to my computer (obviously after shutting it down would I be so stupid as to not do that?) Well actually yes I would be and am fairly stupid as I did not bother to turn off the supply to my sons computer (we are not rich built both they are good but cheap)(didnt fit a surge plug last week I mean why would you?) Well actually my sons PC was good but is not so good now it wont start up nothing Ive put in a new psu (atx) and still no joy when I turn on the supply to the computer nothing seems to work although the cpu fan - a couple of times has made a very small movement one cd drive light comes on and then goes out as do the diagnostic LEDs on the motherboard but nothing else at all I get no power to any drives nothing works it seems to cut or short out in some way Any suggestions as to how many new bits to get or what to do its a K7T Pro (MS-6330) ATX VA mainboard with a 400 Duron. Thanks in advance for listening/reading Yours Ronald __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Linux Based WYSIWYG HTML editor?
by Rob Keeling 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

I am looking for a WYSIWYG html editor to maintain our schools website, we are currently using windows and Dreamweaver, but I would like to start using LTSP and need to find a simple web page editor, we don`t use a fraction of the features in Dreamweaver most of the time so I was wondering if anyone had any recomendations? Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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Kernel bogey
by ptaylor 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Hi all: I have recently up-graded my "old" machine and installed a new HD while leaving the "old" drive temporarily as a slave. The "old" drive I had been using fro about 3 years and had therefore up-graded from 6.0 to 7.3 in stages. As such, on my desktop I had HD icons for the various Win partitions on the drive in the machine, including one for the NT partition. On clicking these icons, all would merrily boot up so I could shuffle material from partition to partition. These were on a second drive in the machine. On the new machine I have a large drive with 2000 in the beginning and SuSE 7.3 on the rest. When the machine booted up there was no icon for 2000 as there was before and when I added it, it would not boot, despite having the same fstab entry as before. IN 7.1 or 7.2 (KDE 2.1), there was an option to configure the kernel and add ntfs support but I can't find it in this version. I have also rtfm about configuring the kernel and followed the instructions (p. 232 of the reference manual) about running make config at /usr/src/linux, but that does not exist. Any suggestions about how I can get to the kernel and make ntfs support happen or what I am doing wrong? Paul

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Flame broiled
by ptaylor 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Hi all: Before I get roasted for my earlier posting, I had forgotten to create a \windows\C directory in the root tree. It now works fine. Paul

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