June 2000 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Schools-UK howto (was: Edex)
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

> I came into this thread late so missed most of it. We really need all > this info on a web site somewhere. I agree. I was wondering about starting up a schools-uk howto type document. Initially, it could just contain some pointers to where the information is, for the sorts of things schools would like to do (ie to narrow down the list of howtos/faqs and man pages that you have to digest in order to configure (say) DNS or Samba). Just a thought. I don't mind 'adopting it' for now, as a project off of the Northants LUG web site. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, I can knock up a simple 'starting page' and people could send in some submissions for the sorts of things they would like to see included. I could then fish around for contributions to actually flesh out some details. Thoughts anyone ? Kevin.

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Suse 6.4 installation
by Alan Davies 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

I'm still waiting for my 15ukp offer to arrive but in the mean time I installed 6.4 off a PC magazine (DVD version). Despite selecting UK and English for everything I still get the German Version of Star Office on the screen. How do I remove/correct this? Having had )almost) no trouble installing LINUX on laptops and desktops I had a really difficult time - A Diamond A55 S3 Trio3D/2X card would not work (despite it appearing in the list of chip sets) failing to give a hardware cursor and proving obstinate at anything but a limited 800x600 SVGA output. In the end I gave up and put in an S3 Virge (you may gather from this that I don't pay more than 20ukp for a graphics card...15ukp if I can manager it!) BTW - What is an AGX supposed to be for? I also couldn't get the ISA Crystal Sound card to work - although a Creatibve PCI one worked fine - and it also picked up my cheap 8139 100/10 Ethernet card - so there was some good news. Getting carried away I noted that SUSE6.3 book said there was support for bttv848 Television card - which I happened to have. The update file referred to - wasn't there and despite uncommenting the lines in the hardware start up - it doesn't seem to see it or do anything. Is there an application? Where? -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Test
by Administrator 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

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List problem
by Roger Whittaker 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

There was a small problem with the list yesterday which is why stuff all came in a bunch and out of order. If anyone posted messages which failed to appear, let me know - and re-post. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Edex
by Mr J W Philpott 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

Hi I will admit to being a bit on the slow side, why not try Linux they said, so I did, it works, but how do I get to use the internet. Edex, our ISP, use a proxy, I can contact this through our router, I can ping alsorts of places but every time I try navigator I get: 'unable to connect to server (TCP Error: no route to host). I've tried to add in the gateway and IP address of the cache on the other side, but no luck. I had planned to replace our Apache server on a windows 98 machine, so have set up a machine with 2 cards. I tried to get the Linux machine to work through this Apache server, no luck. What am I missing Jamie (Is this a stupid question? I did try the FAQs) J W Philpott Head of ICT Charles Burrell High School, Thetford, Norfolk

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Are you a boarding School?
by adrian.wells 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

Are you a boarding School? If so and you use the BT's Schools Internet Tariff (giving "free" access 8am - 6pm) Then ring your account manager and ask to have extensions to your package giving weekend and evening cover. As RM customers you get a discounted price as follows per Quarter. £45.00 Evenings £29.25 Weekends Why RM or your BT account manager hasn't told you about this is a mystery! Our last bill was £572.84 ex VAT Our next bill will be £224.25 ex VAT Since my bursar thinks I personally make these calls, he now loves me again! :-) Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] 486 :) or :(
by Matt Johnson 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

SuSe 6.3 (I assume 6.4) is very flexible on the install. You can set it up to run on a 486 for sure. BUT, a 'standard' config leads to it running 'like a dog' in my experience. I refuse to use it on our desktops at the moment, 'cos I want a pretty interface (KDE), and apps like Star Office and Netscape. It grinds to halt on a P90 with 16mb of RAM! I'll either have to upgrade all our stuff, or look at other alternatives. -- Matt Johnson St. Andrew's CE Primary ----- The views expressed in this email are the views of the named sender, and come to think of it, in fact every other member of staff on site. The caretaker, and the cook were especially strong in their support of the points made. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

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Adding users
by Dave Williams 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

I'm still struggling to devise a simple way to add large numbers of user accounts using csv files or similar. The users already exist on an Acorn Level 4 server and I want to move the users and passwords, transparently to a Linux server. I have no problem exporting the csv file but...... Anyone help with these points 1) useradd in RedHat does not appear to understand the -p option and it is not mentioned in the man pages. Does suse recognise this option and as a result allow a single line entry for a user and their password? 2) If I type useradd as root I get an error - "bash: useradd: command not found" but $PATH reports /usr/sbin as part of the path and this is where useradd is located. What am I missing? 3) Can anyone recommend a good source of information on writing shell scripts - I might then be able to fiddle around with the passwd command. Dave Williams

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Edex
by Mr J W Philpott 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Eh thanks (?) DNS is set up OK, I can ping using a URL. I think my problem is that Edex have a proxy that they use for filtering, I've set up my linux machine so that it knows about our router, it can access www-cache.edex.net.uk, but anything else gives a route error: 'unable to connect to server (TCP Error: no route to host). I'm using Apache to host our web site and do intend to use Squid, but this is one giant leap for teacher kind. I use 2 cards as we have only been given 60 odd IP addresses by Edex, so use our own set, and want to keep our network seperate/safe(?). Thanks for the pointer to the squid string, 'll try that. Jamie J W Philpott Head of ICT Charles Burrell High School, Thetford, Norfolk

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Article on replacing NT by Linux
by Roger Whittaker 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

This may be worth a read ... http://www.linuxcare.com/viewpoints/article/04-19-00.epl -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Comparing Open Source and Windows ...
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

There is an interesting article on Linuxcare, comparing Windows NT with open source alternatives (applications and protocols). Anyway, an interesting read : http://www.linuxcare.com/viewpoints/article/04-19-00.epl Kevin.

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail
by adrian.wells 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

Hi Steve, >I don't think you are making LINUX fall over, so much as setting up a >connection through an incorrect channel. I won't tell anyone, honest! :-) >Sendmail never asks for a communication device during set-up, but >yast asks how you have your connection to the outside world set up. Thanks, I wasn't sure of that before. I did the installation while far too tired, and didn't take any notes as it was far too easy and couldn't possibly go wrong! >My guess is that you have either set >up PPP and that is where you have set up TTY instead of ttyS0 (note case is >important), or the other place you may have entered the wrong info is under >yast/system admin/integrate hardware - here you can configure the device >your modem is using, in your case use /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 >Hope this helps Yes loads thanks, you have prompted my memory - The modem details must be in vwdial. I'll check it out tonight. Again, Thanks. Adrian

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SendMail
by adrian.wells 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

I can make LINUX fall over! :-( I have installed SendMail and set it up from YaST however, somewhere during the installation/setup I was asked for my modem which I supplied as TTY1 rather than TTS01. So SendMail now tries to get mail from TTY1 ! Which after several tries logs you out and won't let you log in again (never gets to the password, just keeps prompting login) and workstations are unable to log in. I have tried un-installing/re-installing SendMail in the hope of correcting the Modem Entry, but it doesn't ask me for the device any more. I have searched through the config files but can't find where the association is held. SendMail is uninstalled at present - any ideas please? Adrian Wells

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail
by adrian.wells 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hi Roger, >The `real' configuration file for SendMail is >/etc/sendmail.cf I have deleted this file manually before uninstalling SendMail & re0installing it! - no joy. SendMail no longer asks me for installation details. :-( Adrian Wells

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] DNS config
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

> Rather than clog up the listing mailboxes, I would be > happy to share my school named files ... "Me too" - I manage a secondary DNS server, so could give some help with configuring that set-up if required. I was thinking the other day, that it would be really useful if there was a place where we could publish tips or reports or success stories and the like, so that people looking at doing similar things could go there for a reference ... I could create an area off my Linux Users group website if people would be interested ... ? Just 'thinking out loud really', Kevin. (Northants LUG)

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Apache
by Giles Nunn 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, DCR wrote: > Okay > I am sure you can all do this, > > But i am darned if I can get apache up and running > > There seems to be so much conflicting advice > Do I get rid of srm.conf and access.conf and just use httpd.conf > do I keep all three > Why is it that after setting the servername and document root, netscape > keeps trying to access / instead of my document root ??? > > Help !!!!! > > ---------- > Under SuSE Apache runs out of the box - all you have to do is enable it using yast (or directly). I assume that you want to modify the standard configuration. To keep things easy keep all three conf files and only modify those you have to. What do you need to change from the standard config? I don't know if I am being too simplistic here but have you restarted httpd after modifying the conf files (eg. kill -HUP <pid> )? ____________________________________ Giles Nunn - Network Manager Carms Schools ICT Development Centre Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 ____________________________________

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DNS config
by Derek Harding 02 Jun '00

02 Jun '00

Hi, Rather than clog up the listing mailboxes, I would be happy to share my school (or home ham radio, or non-ham) named files to provide anyone with a working "template". Drop me your e-mail and I'll reply as soon as I get the chance. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding derek(a)lagham.zetnet.co.uk hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid2
by Gary Parr 02 Jun '00

02 Jun '00

Okay i have squid "sort of" working now point to server (192.168.1.1) get the Apache pages, point to anything else and get the squid error message notifying that it cant get the site. What I need to do is get it to autodial into my demon account when a request is made for addresses outside my intranet. What do i need to do. Modem = external Pace 33k6 (Wvdial detects" Gary >From: "Richard Naylor" <ranaylor(a)ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: "Richard Naylor" <ranaylor(a)ntlworld.com> >To: "Nick Drage" <nick-drage(a)gmx.ch> >CC: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid2 >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:41:20 +0100 > >you might want to check that squid is running (ps aux|grep squid). >if not, do some debugging. first stop squid /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k >shutdown. >then give it a few seconds and do /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -N. >if nothing is printed on screen then squid should be running ok. >if you want to debug, then while squid is running type >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -d 3 or whatever debugging leverl you want. >errors may be found in /usr/local/squid/logs/*.log or just cache.log. > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, Gary Parr wrote: > > > installed Squid 2, but having no luck. > > > > > > The config says the port is 3128, so if i set netscape etc to > > > > > > Proxy http 1921.168.1.1 port 3128 > > > > > > i expect to be going via the proxy, and get squids error pages... > > > but trying to access a site outside the network (connection not setup >yet), > > > I get the normal "Netscape windows error - server down" > > > > > > What am i doing wrong. > > > > While the error is, er, developing, can you do a netstat -an on both the > > relevant boxes to show what is actually happening, that might help..... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Today's welcome message
by Roger Whittaker 02 Jun '00

02 Jun '00

People are signing up for this list every day ... Let's hear from you - post a message to introduce yourselves and say what you are doing or hoping to do with Linux. Reminder about the Linux Expo and Conference: look at www.suse.co.uk Olympia, London, 1st and 2nd June. Have a lot of fun ... Roger -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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getting hold of SuSE for schools
by James H. Carter & Cybèle de Jong 01 Jun '00

01 Jun '00

Hi I'm trying to get hold of SuSE 6.4 for my school, including SO5.1 and WP8 at 15pounds but I'm getting no reply from the schools email address. Does someone know a quicker route! Perhaps a telephone number? James Carter South Lee School www.southlee.demon.co.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid2
by Gary Parr 01 Jun '00

01 Jun '00

Hi got it running now thanks, Just got to gte the modem working now ;-( Gary >From: "Richard Naylor" <ranaylor(a)ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: "Richard Naylor" <ranaylor(a)ntlworld.com> >To: "Nick Drage" <nick-drage(a)gmx.ch> >CC: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Squid2 >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:41:20 +0100 > >you might want to check that squid is running (ps aux|grep squid). >if not, do some debugging. first stop squid /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k >shutdown. >then give it a few seconds and do /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -N. >if nothing is printed on screen then squid should be running ok. >if you want to debug, then while squid is running type >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -d 3 or whatever debugging leverl you want. >errors may be found in /usr/local/squid/logs/*.log or just cache.log. > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, Gary Parr wrote: > > > installed Squid 2, but having no luck. > > > > > > The config says the port is 3128, so if i set netscape etc to > > > > > > Proxy http 1921.168.1.1 port 3128 > > > > > > i expect to be going via the proxy, and get squids error pages... > > > but trying to access a site outside the network (connection not setup >yet), > > > I get the normal "Netscape windows error - server down" > > > > > > What am i doing wrong. > > > > While the error is, er, developing, can you do a netstat -an on both the > > relevant boxes to show what is actually happening, that might help..... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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