February 2011 - openSUSE Build Service

[opensuse-buildservice] improving opensuse build service build turnaround times
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

Hello Question: Could any idle (ppc64) services assist in building x86_64 and i586 projects ? The x86 Architecture always seems busy I count sometimes upto 13 idle [build51 to build64]. Looks like there can be lots of packages on the waiting qur Are there any plans to increase the number of packages processed in a given timeframe in opensuse build service. As indicated from [] there are many packages to process. [1]https://build.opensuse.org/ Cheers Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-buildservice] issue with dangling builds
by Hans-Peter Jansen 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Hi, in home:frispete:python, I've linked in python{-base} for 11.1, since I needed to fix a bug, that Python v2.6.0 suffers from (resulting in misbehavior and strange crashes of current python-sip wrapped packages). For some reason, I forgot to disable build and use-for-build flags of python-base for the other targets (11.2 and 11.3). Now, that I noticed the issues, I wiped the offending packages via webui, and triggered rebuilds. But still the packages of 11.2 and 11.3 try to build against python-base-2.6.0. It looks, like OBS still uses the misguided builds, that I wiped already. What can I do? TIA, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-buildservice] FOSDEM OBS meetup
by Sascha Peilicke 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Hi guys, same as last year, the openSUSE Build Service will be present at FOSDEM. We have several talks and some of the developers hanging around at the openSUSE booth. However, in order to discuss some current and upcomming OBS topics (like the documentation effort), I'd like to organize a little meetup for all interested parties and contributors. Please reply if you're interested and I'll try to organize something on short notice. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke SUSE Linux Products GmbH

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[opensuse-buildservice] Just reporting all jobs on build31 (x86_64) look stalled.
by doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hello, Just reporting all jobs on build31 (x86_64) look stalled. 12 jobs in total. Cheers Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-buildservice] Is the web ui server experiencing a dos attack?
by Dave Plater 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

Hi, jfyi although it's damned irritating but I can live with it. Sometimes when I get a glitch in my internet connection, the web ui loads a page that looks like it was optimised for lynx and when I reload the page all is well again. Now atm it's permanent and very difficult to use. Just when I'm juggling two pairs of packages gst plugins bad needs to test build with mjpegtools not too bad because I can see that the correct version has built. Blender's local test build need an updated openCOLLADA to build as well. I should try lynx and see what it looks like. Jokes aside, in case no one is aware there's something wrong somewhere, in the firefox status bar I see an oscillation between (can't read it properly it's too quick) "connecting to opensuse.org" and "waiting for static opensuse.org" normally I see a quick "connecting to opensuse.org" then a sometimes slow waiting for "static opensuse.org" and after that a page load message which doesn't happen atm. There's still the command line so I'll survive, oh yes I forgot lynx, maybe I can work in midnight commander never tried it before. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-buildservice] server:mail exim multiple packages available
by Lars Müller 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

Hi, in server:mail exim got updated to the current, 4.74 release. Nevertheless we see rpm files in the repository of version 4.6.9 and 4.71. Does this happen due other OBS repositories linking to this particular version? Well, the same applies to network:samba:STABLE and TESTING. In STABLE we have 3.5.6 and 3.5.4 and in TESTING 3.6.0pre1 and 3.5.4rc ... This applies to the search at http://software.opensuse.org/ only. As soon as you check http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ you see for Samba all is correct. While you for exim really find exim-4.69-70.16.1, exim-4.69-72.7.1, exim-4.71-4.4.1, and exim-4.74-17.1 packages at download.o.o. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
by Nelson Marques 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen <postmodernhousewife(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has >> >> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its >> >> use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong >> >> implication for users that it is only for openSUSE. The other reasons >> >> raised by Gumb are also valid ones. >> > >> > OBS is the beating heart of openSUSE, I don't see any problem in >> > having 'openSUSE' on a platform as OBS. >> >> Agreed > > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue with it is > that people clearly assume the "openSUSE Build Service" is there to "Build > openSUSE Software". If people see it that way, maybe it's marketing failure? As you state and I quote: «hat people clearly assume the "openSUSE Build Service" is there to "Buil openSUSE Software".» This only points failure on marketing practices, marketing efforts are failing in passing the message, but in reality, it's not actually far from the reality. OBS plays it's role, it enables all the contents distributed in openSUSE Linux distribution. Maybe before we can be attractive to developers we have to be attractive to end users, so that they ditch their distribution repositories and use ours (which isn't supported by any distribution). So for you to succeded this is probably one of the issues that needs to be worked out first... Make OBS a repository of reference to other distributions. > The discussions and chats I've had at several conferences > including the latest LCA clearly brought that forward and I think those of you > who've been at conferences have heard the same sentiments. Now the scope of > the Build Service is much wider than that and this misconception is hurting at > least some of our uptake. The marketing team is fighting this perception all > the time. >From a talk I had with someone I met on OSC, I actually asked him why they didn't used devel snapshots through OBS. The answer I got was... every distribution has packagers, they do that for me, why would I want to waste time on that? I don't package, I do other more important things. > The brand is currently usually abbreviated as OBS - and known (in writing) > like that. MeeGo actually calls it 'open build service' already, as do many > other people. I wouldn't argue yet that 'open build service' is already the > de-facto name, but it's going in that direction. Once more, this could indicate severe marketing strategy failure. Careful with such statements. > So there is a reason to rename it: do something about a misconception which is > hurting uptake. The reason to rebrand and reposition a well established service is based on an hypothetical marketing failure? Maybe it's time for you to drop Darwinism and maybe be more mindful of Smith/Drucker/Kotler, as they will provide an answer for your problems. > Reasons not to do it: > 1 we diminish the link between openSUSE and OBS > 2 we loose some brand value due to the repositioning 1 & 2 - will only happen if Marketing doesn't take action to support the whole repositioning (this is where the fat budgets play there role). > On 1, I don't see this as a real issue as OBS is and will be principally > developed by openSUSE - and as I wrote before, the culture of 'credit where > credit is due' in FOSS protects us in this regard as well. Unless you want to make of OBS a fully commercial product, that makes no sense. > 2 is really minimal - OBS is the name most known and won't change; moreover > many people already call it open build service (or even just 'the build > service' which is actually really good for us I would say - saying OBS is the > de-facto standard build service). Interesting... A "build service" builds something, that's how someone probably will face it. As I face it, it's an outstanding distribution platform, to feed or distribute contents. There is a difference, and if you think closely, it might be more benefic for OBS to be promoted as a distribution platform, at least it sounds far more appealing to me, and the fact is has a HUGE 'OPENSUSE' in it's name can only benefit openSUSE as a Linux distribution. > Hence I believe the reason to do it eclipses the reasons not to do it. Just trying to prevent a situation like the one portraited partially on [1]. If you look carefully, that entry is quite a powerful example. That entry suggests that picking KDE as the default Desktop actually didn't brought the expected user base to openSUSE. And changing back to GNOME will only hurt us more, because you are endangering hurting users and paint us like if we don't know what we're doing. I hope OBS will not be the subject of such changes every once in a while. It kills consumer trust, and we want to build relations with users based on trust so we can build loyalty. Changing all the time will only hurt what we're trying to build. [1] - https://features.opensuse.org/311023 > On the facebook thing, I doubt our number likes on facebook for openSUSE have > much if anything to do with uptake of OBS. Not to say we shouldn't try to > increase that number... Depends... you are only seeing one side of the problem, you neglect still that we work to provide contents to people and to show people that our contents/software is a reliable option. It makes all sense to me that the more contents we serve, the more attractive we will be for those making the contents. I'm sure that making such a risky maneuvre because a group of people call it something else is rather naive. This email expresses a personal opinion and therefore there is no right or wrong, just a point of view. NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-buildservice] Patch to bs_srcserver
by Klaas Freitag 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

Hi, I just committed a patch to bs_srcserver [1] that adds some data to Hermes notification calls such as comments. As this kind of information spices up the Hermes notifications tremendously. I like to ask the backend developers kindly to keep an eye on that, when new data is available in the requests, please add it to the list of submitted data. That works seamlessly, no "registration" or stuff is needed for that, but the Hermes messages can become richer and as a result more useful for the users. Also, if data was added, please drop me a note that I can fix the message template. Thanks, Klaas [1] http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build- service/commit/d9a8bfb7196ddd606f977e304f85ea46fad04604 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
by Helen 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

>> Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of >> Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right >> name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non- >> Germans... > > Well. "Project Bretzn" is the codename for the idea to simplify the process of bringing applications from the developers to the enduser. Part of it is the plugin for IDEs and another part is the AppStore. > But the word "Bretzn" was always considered a joke. So we shouldn´t put the term "Bretzn" into the actual user interface. It´s just an internal codeword. > > But it´s of course possible to mention Bretzn if someone want´s to describe the idea and the initiative. But "Bretzn" should never appear in the openSUSE menu. ;-) > > > Cheers > Frank The name DOES seem to be sticking! So if you want to change it, it will need to be quite soon! http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/project-bretzn/ cheers, Helen >>> Just thinking out loud here. >>> >>> Bryen > > > -- > Frank Karlitschek > karlitschek(a)kde.org > > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
by Jos Poortvliet 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: <snip> > This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some > marketing discussions. I strongly believe we need to change the name > openSUSE Build Service to Open Build Service because from a marketing > perspective it is a lot easier to sell OBS. OBS is a tool that is not > limited to openSUSE and thus it should not have a name that limits > public perception in that way. Open Build Service (powered by the > openSUSE Project) has a better chance at larger adoption. > > Those of us who discussed it decided to hold off a few months at the > time because we didn't want to rock the boat and there were other things > happening. But now I believe the momentum is right for the name change. > We're really starting to build up on the fact that "openSUSE" is not a > distribution but a Project, and that you can participate and benefit > from the Project without even using the distro. This is what we're > really here for, to create a community that can collaborate across > borders and provide services that do not limit you to the use of the > distribution itself. Yup! At the conference I got several people interested in OBS by stating that very clearly: "I don't care if you use Fedora or Ubuntu, OBS is interesting for you because it builds packages for all distro's!" "oh, really, does it? It's not just for openSUSE?" "No, OBS is cross-distribution. MeeGo uses it, so does VLC to build packages for all distro's" Having OBS being Open Build Service makes this argument easier... I actually (as I said) started saying that after having the discussion a few times and indeed it works. Whoever is not convinced of that: stand at a booth for a day at FOSDEM or SCALE and explain OBS to people. Try it with "open build service" and "openSUSE build service" and see the difference... > I am all for changing it to Open Build Service, but let's not make that > a decision by the marketing team but rather state the case to the > buildservice team why this is essential for us to be able to further > push for adoption of the service. Let them decide it. > > Bryen M Yunashko > openSUSE Marketing Team

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