August 2003 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printers.conf restart
by Chris Puttick 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

That's the correct format - can you try just denying a specific user and see if that works? After that post your entire printers.conf so we can see it in context. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nix To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 8/28/03 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printers.conf restart I tried it and it still let the unwanted user print. I think i must have done something wrong elsewhere. Does anyone if I have to edit any other file other than /etc/cups/printers.conf? If the problem isnt with the which file im editing. Then could someone tell me if im doing it right? In /etc/cups/printers.conf I have put a line the says DentUser @Students To specify an entire group that dont have access to the printer. I also tried DenyUser= @Students But neither worked. Could someone please tell me what im doing wrong? Cheers > You probably need to restart CUPS - rccupsd restart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nix > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Sent: 8/28/03 1:38 PM > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printers.conf restart > > I have made some additions to printers.conf to allow/deny users access > to > a printer. I there something I have to restart in order to get my > changes > recognised. I ask this because i have specified certain users cant use a > printer. So I tested what I had done and It appeared not to work. Does > anyone know what Im doing wrong? > Cheers > -- > Andrew Nix > > St Pauls Catholic High School > Firbank Road > Newall Green > Wythenshawe > Manchester > M23 2YS > tel: 0161 4375841 ext 168 > fax: 0161 4982030 > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For > additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For > additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printers.conf restart
by Chris Puttick 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

You probably need to restart CUPS - rccupsd restart -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nix To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 8/28/03 1:38 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Printers.conf restart I have made some additions to printers.conf to allow/deny users access to a printer. I there something I have to restart in order to get my changes recognised. I ask this because i have specified certain users cant use a printer. So I tested what I had done and It appeared not to work. Does anyone know what Im doing wrong? Cheers -- Andrew Nix St Pauls Catholic High School Firbank Road Newall Green Wythenshawe Manchester M23 2YS tel: 0161 4375841 ext 168 fax: 0161 4982030 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Printers.conf restart
by Andrew Nix 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I have made some additions to printers.conf to allow/deny users access to a printer. I there something I have to restart in order to get my changes recognised. I ask this because i have specified certain users cant use a printer. So I tested what I had done and It appeared not to work. Does anyone know what Im doing wrong? Cheers -- Andrew Nix St Pauls Catholic High School Firbank Road Newall Green Wythenshawe Manchester M23 2YS tel: 0161 4375841 ext 168 fax: 0161 4982030

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Linux systems for managementin Educat ion
by Chris Puttick 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

My apologies for crassly reading the last copy of the email, thinking "I must reply to that" and then it promptly disappearing out of view (and out of memory...). School management systems are very varied and encompass a wide variety of tasks; essentially nothing exists that covers the full range, open source or commercially. There are a number of open source projects that cover particular aspects of school administration, in various stages of development. Only one (that I'm aware of) seeks to make allowance for everything, SchoolTool. By adopting a modular approach, SchoolTool intends to not only cover every aspect of school administration, but also different countries needs. See: http://schooltool.sourceforge.net Schooltool has not yet released code, but is funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation and has contracted developers - core code is scheduled for delivery in September. SchoolTool will be accessible by both web browsers and cross-platform GUIs. A number of key (and funded) projects are in the pipeline, such as ILP (Individual Learning Plans), CPDM (Curriculum Performance Data Management), and the primary adaptation of the latter. These are being developed concurrently, with ILP and Primary-CPDM (project Tigger) being developed by the same team here at Central Manchester City Learning Centre. All these three are going into pilot stage next month. All are web-based to reduce TCO. Public online demonstrations will be available shortly, and the two we are directly involved in will be registered on SourceForge in a few days (as PigletandFriends!). There is also our helpdesk system, HelpMeICT, which is a highly configurable web-based solution, which is easily adapted to provide ticket-tracking for admin and building services requests as well as ICT. A single server could transparently deal with hundreds of sites, grouped as required. While this is not specifically for schools, it is undoubtedly something that schools are in increasing need of to manage their ever-growing IT systems. Equivalent commercial helpdesk solutions would cost thousands of pounds per school (and per council/NHS Trust etc.!). HelpMeICT is also being adapted as a pupil behaviour tracker. See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/helpmeict/ and http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com I'm aware of several other school admin solutions that are available open source, but these are primarily US/Canada focussed and would need considerable adaptation to be of use here in the UK. Commercial support for the solutions listed will be available. I hope this helps. If you want any further information on any of the above, please feel free to contact me. Regards Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre +44 (0)161 212 1972 -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells To: Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 8/26/03 2:44 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Linux systems for managementin Education Hi Joanne, Below is a copy of my reply to Leo. The LINUX list has been quiet of late - holidays (?), I have only received four emails since forwarding Leo's request on the 11th. I would rather you spoke to the grinder rather than a monkey so that puts me out of the picture! If no one gets back to you soon, or if I can help in any other way please feel free to drop me a line. Kind regards Adrian Wells ----- Original Message ----- From: adrian.wells <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> To: Leo Waldock <leo(a)leowaldock.com> Cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Linux systems for managementin Education > Hi Leo, > > Thanks for the mail, I've forward your request to > suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com where the guys are working on a new Open > Source Project. > > We use Dolphin/Mentor here, If you would like some copy on that then drop me > a line. > > Later > > Adrian Wells > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leo Waldock <leo(a)leowaldock.com> > To: <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > Cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:57 PM > Subject: Linux systems for managementin Education > > > > Adrian > > > > I'm writing a feature for Jo Sawyer at Public Sector Computing about the > > alternatives for management software in the education sector. I understand > > you have some involvement in this field and would appreciate your > comments, > > particularly relating to products that are available now, and that have > been > > tried and tested in the field. > > > > I'll be on holiday from Sunday 10th August until 20th August, so if this > is > > a work email address that you won't access until Monday, please don't > think > > I am ignoring any reply that you send me. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Leo Waldock > > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Linux systems for management in Education
by adrian.wells 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

Sorry, Thought that maybe the email and address may help! :-) Kind regards Adrian ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Adrian, We spoke onthe phone a couple of months ago about the possibility of our publication covering free SIMS software for schools,. I've since read a discussion you've had online here: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-uk-schools/2003-May/0222.html and would very much like to follow up the topic in a an article in the next issue. One of our freelance writers, Leo Waldock, has been trying to contact you for some further information, to enable him to write the article for us. Would you be able to drop him or myself a line to talk about this further? Otherwise, could you put me in contact with someone else who would be able to offer some further information? Many thanks, Jo Sawyer Editor Tel:- +44(0)121 233 8712 Fax:- +44(0)121 233 8715 mailto:jo.sawyer@trinitypub.co.uk http://www.publicsectorcomputing.co.uk Public Sector Computing IT Trade Publishing Ltd 1st Floor Edward House 92/93 Edward Street Birmingham West Midlands ENGLAND B1 2RA Registered in England VAT registration No. 643999383 Registered Office: Kingsfield Court, Chester Business Park, Chester, CH4 9RE "Leo Waldock" <leo(a)leowaldock.com> 08/08/2003 16:57 To: <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> Subject: Linux systems for managementin Education Adrian I'm writing a feature for Jo Sawyer at Public Sector Computing about the alternatives for management software in the education sector. I understand you have some involvement in this field and would appreciate your comments, particularly relating to products that are available now, and that have been tried and tested in the field. I'll be on holiday from Sunday 10th August until 20th August, so if this is a work email address that you won't access until Monday, please don't think I am ignoring any reply that you send me. Regards, Leo Waldock ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

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Linux systems for managementin Education
by adrian.wells 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

Hi Joanne, Below is a copy of my reply to Leo. The LINUX list has been quiet of late - holidays (?), I have only received four emails since forwarding Leo's request on the 11th. I would rather you spoke to the grinder rather than a monkey so that puts me out of the picture! If no one gets back to you soon, or if I can help in any other way please feel free to drop me a line. Kind regards Adrian Wells ----- Original Message ----- From: adrian.wells <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> To: Leo Waldock <leo(a)leowaldock.com> Cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Linux systems for managementin Education > Hi Leo, > > Thanks for the mail, I've forward your request to > suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com where the guys are working on a new Open > Source Project. > > We use Dolphin/Mentor here, If you would like some copy on that then drop me > a line. > > Later > > Adrian Wells > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leo Waldock <leo(a)leowaldock.com> > To: <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > Cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:57 PM > Subject: Linux systems for managementin Education > > > > Adrian > > > > I'm writing a feature for Jo Sawyer at Public Sector Computing about the > > alternatives for management software in the education sector. I understand > > you have some involvement in this field and would appreciate your > comments, > > particularly relating to products that are available now, and that have > been > > tried and tested in the field. > > > > I'll be on holiday from Sunday 10th August until 20th August, so if this > is > > a work email address that you won't access until Monday, please don't > think > > I am ignoring any reply that you send me. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Leo Waldock > > > > >

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HelpMeICT new version
by Chris Puttick 15 Aug '03

15 Aug '03

Hi For those interested, HelpMeICT (our GPL helpdesk software) version 0.72 has been released with some minor enhancements including the ability to record the time taken by support staff in tackling and/or solving the problem. You can download it from the Sourceforge project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/helpmeict/ and try the online demo (and download it): http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com Cheers Chris

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Open Office
by Samuel Deakin 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Open Office doesn't work on the student profiles, but it works on mine, so I copied over my working folder of open office "cp /home/samdea/OpenOffice.org1.1 -R /home/test2/OpenOffice1.1/" "chown test2:users /home/test2/OpenOffice.org1.1/ -R" I also copied the shortcut of samdea/Deaktop the test2/Desktop and chown it I then logged in as test2 and tested it and it come up with the installation of Open Office. I want it to just work with no installation. How would I copy it to every user except test3, samdea, anix Is there a file somewhere that I need to copy over from samdea to test2 which will make OpenOffice think its already been installed Thanks Sam

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SIMS Killer
by adrian.wells 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Hi, More from "Public Sector Computing". Maybe the School Admin Software Team would like to reply to this. I've mailed Leo to tell him that I've forwarded his request to this list. Later Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: Leo Waldock <leo(a)leowaldock.com> To: <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> Cc: <Joanne.Sawyer(a)trinitypub.co.uk> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Linux systems for managementin Education > Adrian > > I'm writing a feature for Jo Sawyer at Public Sector Computing about the > alternatives for management software in the education sector. I understand > you have some involvement in this field and would appreciate your comments, > particularly relating to products that are available now, and that have been > tried and tested in the field. > > I'll be on holiday from Sunday 10th August until 20th August, so if this is > a work email address that you won't access until Monday, please don't think > I am ignoring any reply that you send me. > > Regards, > > > Leo Waldock > >

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addins users to groups....... 500+
by Andrew Nix 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

I need to add 500+ user to a group. Does anyone know how I can this without adding each person individually? As I think I might be sat in this seat for the next two weeks adding everyone and miss my holiday to Ibiza! Cheers -- Andrew Nix St Pauls Catholic High School Firbank Road Newall Green Wythenshawe Manchester M23 2YS tel: 0161 4375841 ext 168 fax: 0161 4982030

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+
by Chris Puttick 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

I just keep coming back to newusers - from the man page: update and create new users in batch SYNOPSIS newusers [new_users] DESCRIPTION newusers reads a file of user name and cleartext password pairs and uses this information to update a group of existing users or to create new users. Each line is in the same format as the standard password file (see passwd(5)) with the following exceptions. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nix To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 8/8/03 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+ > On Friday 08 August 2003 09:23, Andrew Nix wrote: >> > Yes, I think that I am confusing the issue by a factor of X^Y. >> Unlike Debian's 'useradd', SuSE doesn't offer the same >> functionality. Therefore, still using the same command as you have >> been using, change "useradd" for "usermod" and then try it. >> >> I changed the it to usermod. But I get the reply user Students doesnt >> exsist. Below is the exact command issued. Is there something wrong >> with it? Or is theresomething else i need to add to it? >> >> for i in $(cat ./KS3_20023_PUPILS.csv | awk -F, '{print $1}'); do >> usermod $1 -G @Students; done >> >> I also tried it with a text file and the command is this: >> >> for i in $(cat ./Group\ Adding); do usermod $i -G Students; done > > I get the same error message with the above code. However, it does work > fine on SuSE8.2 if you use useradd instead of usermod :-) > > for i in $(cat ./newusers); do useradd $i -G students; done I use 8.2 and I agree it would work if the users werent already set up. But as they are it just tells me that they do exsist! Any other ideas? > Alastair > >> >> But each time I get the same response. Any idea anyone? >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Andrew Nix

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Linux Annoyances (O'Reilly)
by Roger Whittaker 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

A friend is writing parts of this forthcoming book and as part of the process of producing the book, he and his co-authors would be grateful for some help. A mailing list has been set up on which Linux users can air their views on any Linux annoyances so that the authors can provide solutions in the book. The list is: annoyances(a)dee-annleblanc.com You can subscribe here: http://michelangelo.renaissoft.com/mailman/listinfo/annoyances -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd Appleton House 139 King Street Hammersmith W6 9JG ------------------ 020 8846 3923 ------------------ roger(a)suse.co.uk ------------------

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+
by Garfoot,J 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

This might be of interest : http://www.lfsp.org/users.html It's a nice set of scripts that bulk add and remove users. The advantage is that it also sorts out SAMBA usernames, quotas and other useful features. Joe Garfoot

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+
by Garfoot,J 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

If you download it all the readme files and install instructions you'll need to install it are in the tar file. Once it's setup all we do is make a CSV file containing the fields : username,password,description,user group username1,password1,description1,user group ... ... etc Then at the command line just type # createusers csv_file.csv There's also a GUI but I've not used it. Joe Garfoot -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nix [mailto:andrew.nix@st-paulshigh.manchester.sch.uk] Sent: 06 August 2003 09:34 To: suse-linux-uk-schools Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+ Does anyone have any idea how to use it? > This might be of interest : > > http://www.lfsp.org/users.html > > It's a nice set of scripts that bulk add and remove users. The advantage > is that it also sorts out SAMBA usernames, quotas and other useful > features. > > Joe Garfoot > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For > additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Suse hardware database?
by richard＠tortoise.demon.co.uk 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Does anyone have a current address for this? The link on www.suse.com is invalid. regards Richard-- richard(a)tortoise.demon.co.uk

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Cups Printing Problem
by Rob Keeling 03 Aug '03

03 Aug '03

I am trying to install the Cups samba print driver on Cups 1.1.18 running on SuSE 8.2. I have added two printers, a DeskJet 6127 and a LaserJet 4p. For some reason, following Kurt`s excelent instructions I can install the drivers for the LaserJet, but the DeskJet appears to add the driver, but on a XP client, you can add the print queue, but as soon as you select printer properties it runs the local add printer wizzard and asks for a driver! If I change the cups printer type for the Deskjet 6127 queue I can make the download work. The laserjet is using foomatic+ljet4 The Deskjet is using foomatic+hpijs I need to roll this out to our school print server next week, which has 30+ printers mainly DJ6127`s! What am I doing wrong? Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+
by Chris Puttick 02 Aug '03

02 Aug '03

I believe you can just modify the spreadsheet and use the newusers command again - it can update bulk users as well as create them. Have a look at "man newusers" and "man 5 passwd" for details. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Adam To: Andrew Nix; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 8/1/03 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] addins users to groups....... 500+ --- Andrew Nix <andrew.nix(a)st-paulshigh.manchester.sch.uk> wrote: > > --- Thomas Adam <thomas_adam16(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Andrew Nix > > <andrew.nix(a)st-paulshigh.manchester.sch.uk> wrote: > I > >> need to add 500+ user to a group. Does anyone know how I can this > >> > without adding each person individually? As I think I might be sat > >> in this > >> > seat for the next two weeks adding everyone and miss my holiday to > >> Ibiza! > >> > Cheers > >> > >> You can do something like this: > >> > >> for i in $(cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{print $1}'); do chown > >> $i.GROUPNAME; > >> done > > > > Actually, you don't do that! It won't work.... > > > > > > for i in $(cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{print $1}'); do adduser $i > > GROUPNAME; done > > Will that add everyone in /etc/passwd? If so there are profiles in there > that dont need to be added to the group. I should have said this > earlier. I am fully aware of that, and it was a very quick hack. > I have a spreadsheet that was used to create all the profile and I want. > I > used a commmand something like: > > addnewuser <filename of spreadsheet> > > and it created them all for me! Can something similar be done with > groups? Assuming that you have the list of users, export it to a cvs (a comma separated file) and issue the command: for i in $(cat ./the_file | awk -F, '{print $NUM}'); do useradd $NUM -G groupname; done You'll have to change the above so that $NUM is the column number that the username appears in (i.e. $1, $2, etc) and change "groupname" as appropriate. HTH, -- Thomas Adam > > The above will work!!! > > > > Sorry, Andrew, > > > > -- Thomas Adam > > > > > > > > ===== > > Thomas Adam > > > > "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- www.linuxgazette.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For > > additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > ===== Thomas Adam "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- www.linuxgazette.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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OT: Adios Amigos
by James Spedding 01 Aug '03

01 Aug '03

Just wanted to say thanks to all those that made the OS in Edu conference such a success and to give encouragement to all this on this list to keep up the good work. I know you're making a real difference I'm leaving the employment of APU today and (hopefully) heading off into the sunset in a VW camper. If you're at the next conference perhaps I'll see you there. Otherwise thank you all so much for your continuous support. A nice chap called Dave Smith is taking over from me. Be nice to him! ;o) TTFN James

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CUPS
by Andrew Nix 01 Aug '03

01 Aug '03

Is it possible to have no default printer? If so do I just have to remove the default printer bit out of /etc/cups/printer.conf? Or is there another way to do it? I have been looking for the answer using the cups web interface and the online manual but have had no luck. Does anyone know? Cheers -- Andrew Nix St Pauls Catholic High School Firbank Road Newall Green Wythenshawe Manchester M23 2YS tel: 0161 4375841 ext 168 fax: 0161 4982030

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