February 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Educational event
by Grainge, Derek 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

> > If that's the one I think it is, then I believe I am speaking at it. > > Michael When Mark announced it I wondered if it might be :-) -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Educational event
by Jonathan Bacon 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Grainge, Derek [mailto:DGG@wellington-college.berks.sch.uk] > In a parallel universe ( HMC_ICT(a)yahoogroups.com , which is a > discussion > group for Independent schools) there are moves afoot to do > something very > similar. The time is right: there's lots of interest, stimulated by > Microsoft licensing and problems with XP. Well I would be happy to help where I can. My time is a little limited as ever...but I am happy to contribute where needed. I would also be happy to speak if needed. I think an event of this nature would be very useful to a number of groups - namely schools and also distributors. I also think it could refine some direction in the educational side of Linux. It would be good to demonstrate some uses of Linux in an educational setting and not in a comparative void. Jono

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Educational event
by Jonathan Bacon 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

Hi all, I have been thinking today, what would be good would be some kind of educational seminar that can act as a point of contact for schools to send someone to see what this whole open source linux thing is. I am sure between SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake etc some kind of funding could be secured and some university would be able to host it. Just ideas floating around, but there could be talks and demonstrations about using Linux and open source in education. Any thoughts? Jono

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] StarOffice
by Matt Johnson 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

Yes, my post wasn't checked. I've corrected it. Well put - I agree completely with your summing up. Please see my corrected post. Ta -- Matt --- Tim Pizey <timp(a)paneris.org> wrote: > On Monday 11 February 2002 11:22, Matt Johnson > wrote: > > > > I totally agree that the notion of something for > > nothing is both wrong, and wrong (i.e. incorrect, > and > > wrong (morally)). > > > I think that this is to misunderstand computing. > Computing has something in common with literature > and language. > Sure Shakespeare was paid, or patronised, during his > (or her) life, > but we receive Shakespeares work as 'something for > nothing' > not withstanding the money we may pay a particular > publisher. > > So open-source software is software which hopes to > become > part of the corpus of computer science which will > survive the > original author and become part of human culture. > > Can't see anything wrong or wrong here. > Just the normal standing on the shoulders of giants > which > pervades civilisaton. > > cheers > timp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Re: StarOffice
by Paul Munro 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

Mark Evans wrote: >The interesting thing is that in schools (and many corporate settings) the people using the software arn't those who choose to buy it in the first place. Indeed those who see most of the marketing may not be the people who use it either... This of course is true. In business however, this is always the case. I wouldn't like to be sold something (no matter how good) unless it came with a bit more than a disc!! You are right in some ways though--it's usually the end-user who doesn't get a fair deal and then has to use the blasted software come what may; but that's what policy makers and decision breakers are there for isn't it? Paul :-)

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Re:StarOffice
by Paul Munro 11 Feb '02

11 Feb '02

Whoooaaaaaa there me matey!!! I wasn't saying that because OpenOffice.Org was free that it was the proverbial..I was merely saying that as a student the OpenOffice.Org version *right now* for me would be excellent, and if my friends in business and schools were going to use StarOffice the site license scheme with perhaps appropriate support/updates would be prefereble to downloading a free copy and forfeiting the support and packaging that *lots* of people like. I am in fact an advocate of FREE software, and not rather an advocate of *just* open source software. You rightly state that free software can be just (if not more) valuable and useful; reliable, and all those other things as commercial software. What we have to think of though is the mindset of the average proprietary software user who sees marketing, packaging, cost (though small) and support as integral to a "good deal". Yes- free software can (and often does) give these things, but until the public is saturated with that point what Sun are offering here will help a long way towards that goal. Phew...can I come back up for air now :-) Paul

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Re: StarOffice
by Paul Munro 10 Feb '02

10 Feb '02

Yep- if that's the site pricing for StarOffice 6.0 then I probably know a couple of sites that would take that up immediately. As someone else said OpenOffice.Org will by my personal preference, but it would be interesting to see how SO will be packaged and presented to schools and businesses.... Paul

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Frontpage?
by Paul Munro 09 Feb '02

09 Feb '02

Hi! Quick questions: 1. Is Frontpage any good (never used it myself)? 2. Does Apache support Frontpage/FP Extensions etc.? Personally I would use HTML/Dreamweaver/Flash etc but I have a relative who wants to put up a web site and was recommended FP by a Linux user in the USA (?). Thanks for your advice. Paul

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Thanks for hard drive & Linux info
by Ron Johnson 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

Special thanks to IanL, Mark Evans,Dan Kolb Paul & Ian took me half hour to load Redhat onto new unformatted hard drive in a rush as usual - great thanks also still checking Linux ed progs slowly I need to try out Linux at home on slower access cos its 8:00 Friday nite and i wunts 2 go home So many people do not believe that Linux can be any good if its free or that Star or Open Office etc can be any good - perhaps we should organise a day where we charge loads for the OS and software - advertise that its more reliable etc than MS LTSP is still going strong One of my Year 6s put our school logo (windows) wallpaper on the Linux only LTSP main client as wallpaper un beknowns to myself - I came across him working on the machine - I flipped a lid and nearly swore ...as I saw a child had windoze on a Linux only machine - (really alien network possibilities running through my head) - he watched me try and figure out how windoze was on the machine - he then said, "Its okay sir its not really windows I just copied it." - with a big grin on his face! (In less than a month with very little help my Year 6 are now more computer literate than other schools in area - just cos they can operate two OS and adjust one of them - (guess which one) with no damage) Am I silly or what - cant we decide on a distro - and go for it for schools - anybody tried blue yet? friend tried Redmond last nite kept crashing epsecially on Browse function anybody else had that trouble - or perhaps its the machine - got it off Linuxformat mag. Great emails thanks - like all this arguing bout A levels etc - I taught (gave them the books & mags) Year 6s to write BBC basic back in old days approx 10/12 years ago - they wrote games etc on beebs an electrons 50% of curriculum time - obviously wrong ho ho Yours Ronald __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: Frontpage [Thanks]
by Grainge, Derek 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

Now for answers to the implied questions. 1. Look at the WWW Consortium http://www.w3.org/ They produce a reference web package which is html4 compatible, and they offer a validation service, and a link to an html tidy progam. These people are the bosses regarding standards. (Not that that help with M$ and Netscrape compatibility). 2. If your friend's into Linux, why bother with Windows software at all? Look at http://www.linux.org/apps/all/Development_tools/HTML_Editors.html Good luck to one and all -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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