October 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

K12LTSP CDs
by Derek Harding 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

Hi folks, I have been having trouble downloading the new K12 LTSP images from the net. Ideally I would like to install the new rpms on a clean SuSE 8.x build but am even having trouble getting them downloaded! I wonder if anyone has the 3 new CD images and/or all the new rpms and could burn them to CD for me? -- Best wishes, Derek

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Upgrowing pains
by Paul Taylor 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Hi all: Having moved to 8.1 I am having some troubles with samba which I can't seem to fathom. Everything was fine before and I could use Konqueror to connect to my Doze machine thus smb://???/share Now I am told that Konqueror does not support smb protocol. I can find the machine with LinNeighbourhood but not with K. Any ideas where I can look for a solution? Paul

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Cups module for webmin
by Colin Davies 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

The cups module has been written to work with Redhat 7.2. Has anyone got it working with suse 8 ? I would be grateful for a copy of the config file ... Best wishes Colin Davies Meadows Community School Chesterfield __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: Help requested on DNS problem
by D Garside 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi, Just a quick thank you note to everyone who has helped - this list is marvellous. My problem was ultimately down to BECTA registering the domain and me not assigning the TAG to my ISP. Many thanks once again. Darren Garside

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] DB of schools using Linux - was Re: [ suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need...
by Chris Puttick 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yes... Hosting offers start here! (pending security audits...) -----Original Message----- From: Clive Jones To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/1/02 4:24 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] DB of schools using Linux - was Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 01 Oct 2002 2:31 pm, Grahame Leon-Smith at Free Computers wrote: > What we need is a database of schools using Linux both to persuade people > that there is a market out there, and also to be able to find schools who > would be willing to trial new (Linux) products. This is an existing lug.org.uk project, which a student is trying to finish before going back to University. It is a mapping project, where users can enter their grid ref, and they then appear on the map. Proposed categories include home users, schools, companies using linux, companies offering linux support, training etc etc, and the map can be viewed with various filters. I am not sure exactly what functionality will be offered yet, as it depends on his time initially, and then the help of others to expand the idea. I am the contact for this project, and I will post more details when I have them. It is PHP/mySQL, and is derived from a site done for the 2002 Install Day. http://www.linuxinstallday.org/2002/eventmap.php Is this of interest? C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9mb43+prcXMebSWQRAgLDAJ4hNue/KYVjtMEud1miCCllQtrLCgCeLaaR dVZUeW6wBZ+SShkYYP9oDN0= =UHqN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need...
by Grainge, Derek 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

> Persuading people who produce educational software to stop > doing that and > start producing web based tools using open standards which do > the same jobs, > is perhaps more likely to produce results than getting them > to take on a new > platform. Agreed. A good point Phil; so longs we can avoid the Java / J#/C# issue. The issue over Java version numbers is no more difficult than it would be for C++ developers. Nor need 'open' imply web based: why not gcc + Crygwin? One problem being many programs need some sort of back end - and that pushes us into server technology and database compatibility. How many small companies would have their heads round Java, XML, SQL ? -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need...
by Chris Puttick 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Which is where we come in... My current favourite idea is using students studying Computer Science at Master's level to do it as project work, providing either the company's with cheap quality labour or the school/CLC/LEA/EiC with a low cost way of making their own content widely available. Funding may even be available from NgFL - find your local contacts and market the idea to them. Manchester Uni projects director jumped at the chance; I'm sure Bradford, Leeds, York, Aber, Exeter, Reading, UCL, et al. will be similarly receptive. -----Original Message----- From: Grainge, Derek To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/1/02 3:10 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need... > Persuading people who produce educational software to stop > doing that and > start producing web based tools using open standards which do > the same jobs, > is perhaps more likely to produce results than getting them > to take on a new > platform. Agreed. A good point Phil; so longs we can avoid the Java / J#/C# issue. The issue over Java version numbers is no more difficult than it would be for C++ developers. Nor need 'open' imply web based: why not gcc + Crygwin? One problem being many programs need some sort of back end - and that pushes us into server technology and database compatibility. How many small companies would have their heads round Java, XML, SQL ? -- ************************************************************************ ******** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ************************************************************************ ******** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need...
by Chris Puttick 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

"The longest journey starts with the smallest step" You've got to migrate slowly, even if only to new versions of currently used applications. If you create and implement a full open source, free as in freedom, solution in a school, it's very unlikely to be used or even kept because of the learning curve. On the other hand, if you introduce Mozilla as your standard browser and StarOffice (6) as your standard office suite, then start using a full Linux/Mozilla/OpenOffice.org solution within the tech support team, then sooner or later a few teachers will express an interest in a dual boot solution on their machines. This could well then lead to the school coming to you and asking for a Linux (probably thin client) solution after seeing something in the education press. At this point, you would have to stop, look them in the eye and say: "No problem, we can do that. You have to understand though that many of the applications the school currently uses, other than the internet browser and office suite, will not work under Linux. While I've managed to find a number of equivalent, free, applications (which the staff and children will have to learn), there aren't equivalents to everything so you'd have to make do without those..." or "Excellent. We've been waiting for you to say that and have a workable setup that allows all the currently owned applications to carry on working, although I'd advise migrating to open source ones as we identify good solutions. As a matter of interest, there's a group of schools and CLCs who've been funding the development of free web-based national curriculum content and applications over in Manchester, which might be a good start." Pick one. Now if "over in Manchester" could be replaced with "from all over the UK", that would be nice. Get out there and persuade the powers that be to join in, stressing the reality of future reductions in funding, particularly ICT funding. The words medium and long term, life-time TCO cost reduction, etc. are very effective in persuading school management, particularly those who have their eye on the big picture. Remember the hare and the tortoise... Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: John Ralph To: Chris Puttick; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 9/30/02 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need... Hi All, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Puttick" <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need... > Hi > > Anyone interested in collaborating on WINE how-tos for UK schools software. > It's the only argument left that is stopping Manchester eduation migrating > to Linux. It could well involve contributions into the WINE project itself, > if there are any interested coders out there... > > Cheers > > Chris Puttick > IT Manager > Central Manchester CLC > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > As and active advocate of open source software in schools I have to question the reasoning behind the desire to run WINE at all, surely the ideal in an educational environment is to provide usable, cost effective and reliable software on the desktop. WINE allows you to run Windows application under Linux/Unix, so what? You still have to pay for licensing for those applications, it's less reliable that running those applications on their native platform and have you tried to get Micro$oft to support there support their software when running it on another O/S, no I didn't think so :-) Surely we should be putting our combined efforts into finding/supporting/developing applications which are good solid open source replacements for Microsoft Office et al. I agree with you that we should be assisting the developers and providing central support for open source products, but lets ensure that we choose the correct people to support. -- John Ralph ICT Support Manager Rhodesway School and Rhodesway CLC Supporting Open Source in Schools -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] WINE is all we need...
by s-clarob＠st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

> >How many small companies would have their heads round Java, XML, SQL ? I bet many programmers would love to be able to utilise a powerful SQL database for their software rather than having to build one into their programs or use something like an MS Access database as the back end. Robin St Aidan's Carlisle

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