October 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

5 4

8.1 offer for schools and new address
by Roger Whittaker 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

The educational price which we've had in the past still applies to 8.1 The text that I always send out to enquiries about this is below: £39 + £5 shipping for SuSE Professional (current version: 8.1) This is the full product including all manuals and 90 days installation support. One copy per institution/department. To order, I need an official school order number - you will be invoiced later. Note our change of address ... All the best Roger -- +-------------------------------------------------+ | IMPORTANT NOTE: | | | | We are moving offices on 25th October 2002. | | | | We shall not be available on that day by phone, | | fax or email. | | | | Our new address will be: | | | | SuSE Linux Ltd | | Appleton House | | 139 King Street | | Hammersmith | | W6 9JG | | | | Tel: 020 8846 3918 | +-------------------------------------------------+ Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ------------------ 020 8387 1482 ------------------ roger(a)suse.co.uk ------------------

2 1

No Samba
by Paul Taylor 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hi All: I used to be able to browse my Doze machine using Konquerer in SuSE 8 but I have up-graded to SuSE 8.1 and it tells me that the smb protocol is not supported. Any ideas how I turn it back on or in which configuration files I need to look? Paul

2 1

International rescue
by Paul Taylor 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi all: Some years ago (SuSE 6.0) I asked the group if anyone could help me get SuSE to be able to write in Japanese. I have a Japanese wife and she uses Outlook because it is easy to use a UK system for me and click on an icon for her to write in Japanese. All those years ago someone unhelpfully suggested (I hope tongue in cheek) that I get a new wife. I have set up 8.1 with all things Japanese enabled and it shows all the menus wonderfully but it will still not allow Japanese characters to be typed. This is stopping me scrapping M$ altogether. Does anyone have any non-marital suggestions? Roger? Paul

1 0

samba crashing win clients
by Matt Williams 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi all I've just come home to find each time I try to connect my win2k machine to my linux box, it opens to display the contents of my home dir on there and the windows box crashes. This has not happened before today and to the best of my knowledge I've not changed the configuration of anything on the system. This happens even if I try to connect as a new user. Anyone got any ideas? cheers matt

2 2

Internet content filtering
by D Garside 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi, In an earlier email I posted >can anyone recommend which package I should use for internet content filtering. I >am currently running SuSe 7.2 which I realise begged the question that people _did_ use filtering. What is the balance on this list between explicit filtering versus self-regulation i.e adopting an acceptable use policy? many thanks Darren Garside

3 2

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Help requested on DNS problem
by s-clarob＠st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Ok that means that the domain is registered but there is no current tag holder, Do you wish to host your own DNS for your domain? Or do you want demon to do it. Robin. At 18:18 01/10/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for your posting > >www.nic.uk returns the following information. Is this the TAG info you are >referring to or is it missing from this basic info? >WHOIS query result: > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > Domain Name: FRESHFORD.BATHNES.SCH.UK > > Registered For: Freshford CofE VC Primary School > > Registered on 20-Oct-2000. > > Domain servers listed in order: > > > WHOIS database last updated at 18:15:01 01-Oct-2002 > > >Many thanks > >Darren Garside >Freshford Primary School > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <s-clarob(a)st-aidans.cumbria.sch.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:45 AM >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Help requested on DNS problem > > > > Firstly, are you or Demon going to host the DNS of your global domain? > > > > Secondly, go to www.nic.uk stick in your domain ( don't put the www at >the > > start ) in the search > > > > it will then tell you who currently holds the TAG. > > > > > > If the TAG holder is not yourself or Demon then you need to fax a letter >to > > Nominet on headed paper asking them to transfer the domain, you need to > > check what information you need to provide and check with Demon that they > > can host it. > > > > It is not foolish at all to use your BECTA domain, and it must be > > registered to someone ( usually your ISP when the names were given out ). > > > > We use our becta domain, host our own DNS for it and DNS for 2 other > > domains we own, we host our own web & mail services without any problems. > > > > What Demon may mean is that they do not have the authority to transfer >your > > domain to them, and that you need to do it. > > > > Robin. > > St Aidan's County High School > > Carlisle > > > > > > > > > > At 19:44 30/09/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I've reached the limit of my (v. limited) knowledge and suspect the fault > > >could be down a number of different factors. > > > > > >I have a functioning file-sharing class C network (192.168.1.x) , using > > >samba, based on a linux server running kernel 2.5 (SuSe 7.3). > > > > > >I have configured sendmail so that we have internal email and we can >access > > >the net via our firewall box (smoothwall) and router. We are able to >send > > >surf and emails out into the world (route: network (192.168.1.x) -> > > >firewall -> router -> ISP (Demon)). > > > > > >My problem is that the outside world cannot see us. I have assigned the >two > > >IP addresses given to me by the ISP to the router and outward facing port >of > > >my firewall but although I can travel out (therefore the connection is > > >working) nothing can see me. My ISP thinks that the problem is a DNS >issue. > > > > > >I (foolishly?) used my BECTA registered address myschool.LEA.sch.uk which > > >Demon (ISP) know me by. However they argue that because LEA.sch.uk is >not > > >registered with anyone no-one has domain authority to forward stuff to >me - > > >there is a gap between sch.uk and myschool.LEA.sch.uk. > > > > > >Does this sound reasonable? I wonder if I haven't made a complete hash >(pun > > >intended) of my sendmail, DNS etc setup, but I am O'Reillyed out and >would > > >welcome advice from a fresh angle. (I half suspect I have gaping security > > >holes the size of Micro$ofts ethical defecit!) > > > > > >Darren Garside > > >Freshford Primary School > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > >For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

3 2

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Internet content filtering
by Chris Puttick 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Grades of explicit filtering down to users who have allowed lists only, along with an acceptable use policy to cover for users who find sites that should be but are not yet filtered. Our staff have unfiltered access at the moment, but that is likely to change to nearly unfiltered, i.e. pornography sites and a by request/consensus list. SquidGuard is the solution we're moving towards, but we currently use IGear. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: D Garside To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/29/02 3:56 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Internet content filtering Hi, In an earlier email I posted >can anyone recommend which package I should use for internet content filtering. I >am currently running SuSe 7.2 which I realise begged the question that people _did_ use filtering. What is the balance on this list between explicit filtering versus self-regulation i.e adopting an acceptable use policy? many thanks Darren Garside

1 0

introduction to the mailing list
by james.spedding＠rdiu.anglia.ac.uk 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Hi all, my name is James Spedding and I work for a unit called RDIU in Anglia Polytechnic University. One area we are working is to provide solutions to school using linux instead of other proprietory software (you know what I mean!). At the moment we are focussing on providing file-serving and backup on one box, but soon we hope to expand to providing help for other services as people might want them. I am interested in raising the profile of linux in schools (as you all are), sharing information and helping out where I can. We also run training courses for teachers, linux users and sysadmins. I think Linux is the way forward for educational establishments and at the moment it feels like the lack of support and knowledge might be the limiting factor to the take up of open source OS's. So really that's my question - at the risk of repeating previous threads - what do you think is limiting the rollout of what is a better system into all schools? lack of support, lack of appropriate software, poor profile...... James

6 10

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] introduction to the mailing list
by james.spedding＠rdiu.anglia.ac.uk 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

> > Just to play devils advocate. First how do I run RMs primary maths > > software (Don't say Wine as I don't know what ti is or > whether it will > > Either you need to persuade RM to port that software, have someone > clone it or use something else with similar functionality. > Is it not possible to utilise the weight of the OS programming community to deliver software adapted to educational purposes (where necessary) if we put together a list of needs/wants for educatioanl software? or possibly approach the smaller manufacturers of *good* ;) software to port their C code to *nix? > > work for sure ;-) ) Second if it goes wrong and its Windows > its just the > > way technology works. If it goes wrong and its Linux, I should have > > bought Windows. I have just been giving some INSET at a > site where we > > have over 100 stations using Linux thin clients, KDE desktop. OO.org > > etc. Some enthusiastic people, some who are totally > disinterested and > > some who are terrified of anything with a keyboard. IT is a > con. Until > > How would this situation be different if you have 100 machine with > Windows 95 and MS Office 97 or Windows XP and MS Office XP? absolutely right but I think there is a definite inertia in using software that is different to the 'stuff already installed'. Perhaps it comes from users carrying out tasks by pressing buttons in order rather than understanding the similarities in the processes they are executing? > > Some people might prefer Open Office to MS Office, especially those > like my mum who is unimpressed by "that silly little paperclip". > I am entirely with your mum on the paperclip ;o) James > -- > Mark Evans > St. Peter's CofE High School > Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 > Fax: +44 1392 204763 > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

3 2