August 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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NIS
by Justin Edwards 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

Hi, Anyone got any good web sites for configuring a NIS / YP server (not client) for a UNIX domain on SUSE. The included documentation in 7.2 is a bit weak. Plus anyone got web material for SMB network neighbourhood viewing with a SuSE Client? Any Help appreciated. Justin.

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Netscape LAn settings
by D.Selby 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

hi i am new to linex and am seting up one pc for us to experment on i can get it to access the web i think i need to setup the Lan setting i know wher it is in M$ IE but not in Netscape can any one help

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encyclopedias
by Norman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Hi, I have recently installed Linux and Squid at a school and it was suggested that if there was a suitable replacement for Encarta then the school would move about half ( around 120 ) of their PC's to Linux. I have been searching for something but have found nothing so far. Has anyone any idea if one is available? Thanks. Norman

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] encyclopedias
by Edgehill e-mail service 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Sadly, we have not yet found a suitable replacement, but I gather that Britannica (a far better alternative, being Euro-centric, rather than USA-centric) is in HTML format with its own search engine on-board. My assistant-guru is currently trying to get it to install and run under Wine, but no joy so far. It may be that one of the Linux search engines (big choice for Apache) will be able to be modified to mimic the Britannica functions? Regards, Paul Ellison ICT Manager Edgehill College Bideford, Devon ---------- > From: Norman <norman.elliott(a)ntlworld.com> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] encyclopedias > Date: 23 August 2001 14:00 > > > Hi, > > I have recently installed Linux and Squid at a school > > and it was suggested that if there was a suitable > > replacement for Encarta then the school would move > > about half ( around 120 ) of their PC's to Linux. > > I have been searching for something but have found > > nothing so far. > > Has anyone any idea if one is available? > > Thanks. > > Norman > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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FIrewall access and routing
by D Garside 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Hi, I've read the manual and I'm still stuck. I have an internal ethernet (192.168.1.0) set up where all the clients see one another and talk to my Smoothwall firewall on 192.168.1.250 (GREEN INTERFACE i.e. NIC). They can also see my router (ON RED interface 193.195.16.0) and can ping my ISP's DNS address successfully (158.152.1.0). Yet when I try to use IE, lynx whatever to browse the browser says it is loading the page but downloads nothing. Logging on the router and looking at the stats shows that the line is up and running and being used. So why am I unable to browse? Many thanks in perplexity Darren Garside

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] kde 2.2
by Stephen Ogden 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

When I installed Kde 2.2 it slightly broke my set up. If I choose to start X on bootup it will not do so. kdm no longer works.. and I have to use gdm instead. I haven't experimented much on what has happened yet. Not the end of the world for me, just annoying. -- Azrael ("\''/").___..--'''"-._ `0_ O ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' ((i).-'' ((i).' (((.-' Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with a cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat. ICQ#52944566 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Modem sharing
by ptaylor 18 Aug '01

18 Aug '01

Hi all: Hopefully an easy one for someone. I have installed and started using Hylafax on both of my Linux machines but it has completely disabled my e-mail. The modem will dial out under root using wvdial but will not open at all with kppp which is what I prefer to use. Wvdial will not work at all under user so I assume it is some issue of file or folder ownership but I am not sure what setting needs to be modified. I have hunted around a bit but can't find an obvious solution. On one machine it has taken me quite a few man hours to get a working ISA winmodem working so this is quite a setback. Anyone know a quick-fix? Paul ptaylor(a)uklinux.net

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kde 2.2
by Phil Driscoll 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

I've just installed kde 2.2 on my machine. It is a fantastic piece of work - I think it's the most impressive thing I've yet seen on the platform. Things start faster, look better, do more... I had thought that it might be a bit tricky converting some windows users to the Linux desktop on the grounds of differences in look and feel. No longer a problem - you can make it look and feel the same, even to the extent of silly toys such as fading menus etc. Anyway - now to the interesting bit. Since startup times were faster, I installed it on the 32Mb machine just to see what happened. Two important things happened: 1. KDE now displays a pulsating icon on the pointer by way of an hourglass as an application starts up so the user is less likely to try and start the application again. 2. In spite of some serious disc thrashing, KWord starts in 10 seconds :) I'll do some investigation as to whether I can save any memory by discarding some unnecessary frills and toys, and report back with news of whether or not the machine is useable under KDE. I've just experimented with getting the startkde script to startup icewm (thanks for the suggestion Mike). I tried this yesterday with an older KDE with no effect, however today with KDE 2.2, I can get KWord to startup under icewm in 15 seconds - a factor of 3 speed improvement. Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] kde applications
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

> The trick I'm looking for is probably getting the kde support environment up > and running as the desktop boots so that the KDE apps can take advantage of > Sycoca etc. Anyone know how? One slight tangent ... at home, I run on a P90 with 32 Mb RAM, and I use blackbox_kde on Mandrake 7. This is a sort of 'KDE' aware slim line window manager ... may be worth a look (I forget the URL, but google should provide). The main point though, is that this wm is linking into KDE somehow, so it may be worth browsing the blackbox site to see how this is done, or maybe looking at what is running when blackbox runs ... I find that kmail takes a little time (few seconds) to start though - so this may or may not help ... (Netscape takes an age - but thats just netscape ...) Just a thought. Kevin. kevin(a)northants.lug.org.uk (please don't use my alstom address anymore for email, this will be inactive in a weeks time ...)

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icewm
by Paul Sutton 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

Hi following recent discussion of icewm, I decided to install on my AMD 500 with 128mb memory, I am currently using rhl 7,1 with the 2.4.2 kernel (i think) optimised for the k6 processor, anyway after installing and typing the starting icewm script (.Xclients) which comes with the online documents, and set this to 755. I can't seem to start by default, at present I can goto failsafe which is a xscreen with an xterm from here I can type icewm. The only problem here is that if I then close the xterm down it kills icewm at the same time, (I know why this is), Can someone please point me in the direction of the file to edit in order to set icewm to default for a normal user, with the login it remembers the last window manager used by a particular user, (for root it can stay as kde), thanks Paul Sutton

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] kde applications
by Ian.lynch2 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

>===== Original Message From phil(a)dialsolutions.co.uk ===== >On Monday 13 August 2001 19:56, Michael Brown wrote: > >> KDE applications now start up via kdeinit. KDE utilises a support >> environment which includes the DCOP inter-application communications >> program and the ksycoca configuration cache. These are normally started >> up when KDE itself starts, so KDE applications will launch quickly when >> started from KDE. When you start a KDE application from outside KDE, it >> has to start up the support environment first, which is what is causing >> the added delay under IceWM. > >The trick I'm looking for is probably getting the kde support environment up >and running as the desktop boots so that the KDE apps can take advantage of >Sycoca etc. Anyone know how? > >> As far as magic tricks go, my best recommendation is to use the old, >> small-memory machines as thin-client terminals. This will enable you to >> run virtually whatever applications you want, without worrying about the >> memory footprint. Of course, you will need a thin-client server, but for >> the amount of time you seem to be investing in trimming the memory >> footprint you could buy a thin-client server and pay to have it supported. > >If I can work out how to do this and make the information on how to do it >freely available, I hope that the results of my work will benefit any >interested school. Therefore, I am happy to ignore the fact that we could >have bought a rack full of servers if I'd been charging for my time! > >> Just for reference, on the system that IRL/Fen Systems just put in to >> Woodlands Junior School in Kent, StarOffice starts in around three seconds >> flat. >That's 3 times quicker than my 1200MHz AMD machine does it! Yes I was pleasantly surprised when I first saw it in comparison with my AMD 500 running the Windows version of StarOffice at home. In fact I was so impressed I have junked Windows at home altogether in favour of Linux but unfortunately NTL have not maintained my cable connection since Sunday so I'm on Twigger for my NTL E-mail! And my profile on Windows2ooo has corupted at work so its B*%&^$*y computers. regards, -- IanL

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kde applications
by Phil Driscoll 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

On the small (32Mb/200Mhz) machines I am setting up, I would like to be in a position to run KOffice programs. Certainly KWord is becoming a well featured application, and it runs fine in the small memory environment. As you may remember, I am using IceWM in order to reduce the memory overhead of the window manager. Just starting KDE puts me into 12Mb of swap, wheras IceWM leaves me several Mb free/cache. Now to the problem. Although KWord runs ok it takes ages to get going (40 seconds) under IceWM, although if I run it under KDE on the same machine, in spite of the crazy amount of disk sqapping going on, it actually starts up in under 10 seconds. Non-KDE applications, such as AbiWord and Gimp, start up in a couple of seconds regardless of WM. Does anyone know what magic tricks I can perform to effect the speedup under IceWM? Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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Code Red
by Alex Brett 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

I am not good enough with scripts to do this but could someone write a script that can analyse an apache log, and generate a list of all ip addresses that have tried to access default.ida (the way code red infects) - I want to have a list so I can then go to the servers and contact the webmasters and tell them that there system is infected as the UK Tech webserver seems to be getting hit once every minute or so! Anyone got any ideas how to do this? Alex Brett rebuke(a)uktech.eu.org

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Squid & Igear
by Groom, Mike 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

Hello from a new correspondent. We need to use Squid with a router which accesses the LEA proxy server. The LEA has a proxy with an authentication process based on IGear software. We need to get squid to allow our (Windows) clients to receive Igear's requests for authentication. At the moment they are blocked by Squid. Does the LEA need to reconfigure Igear for us or can we make some changes locally to Squid to overcome the problem? Has anyone got an answer please. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. Mike Groom Network Support Technician (for schools)

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still receiving mail
by CJC 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

just checking!

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Re: Worms
by Paul Munro 04 Aug '01

04 Aug '01

Talking of "worms", my Dell Laptop suffered the Sircam32.exe worm this week! This is quite a nasty one that sits in your registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Sircam and also your Recycle folder, and then sends out itself by using e-mail addresses in your contacts/addresses/inbox--in some cases sending out an attached file from your hard drive (which it did in my case). It sent out 276 e-mails from my machine before I knew anything about it :0 Another good reason to switch my laptop to Linux ;-) Paul

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code red
by Steve Riley 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

And as appears to be becoming common to other users, my (Smoothwall) firewall was probed 25 on 2/8 and over thirty times today 3/8. Steve Riley (Nottingham)

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code red
by Phil Driscoll 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

In case anyone is interested, I've been reviewing the web logs on my ADSL connected Linux box at home and on my production web server which lives at Legend in Bradford (and is an NT4 box running IIS - although patched up to the eyeballs and not running index server - and also, before anyone comments, will be replaced by a Linux box next week!). My linux box here runs with a packet filter, but has an open port 80 which I need for work. It was attacked 9 times on the 19th July and 35 times in the last day. The figures for the NT box were 24 times on 19th July, and 28 times during the last day. For anyone wanting to check their own weblogs, an attack is characterised by a request for /default.ida with a very long query string. Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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