July 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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Netscape LAn settings
by D.Selby 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

hi i am new to linex and am seting up one pc for us to experment on i can get it to access the web i think i need to setup the Lan setting i know wher it is in M$ IE but not in Netscape can any one help

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP
by Simon Wood 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams [SMTP:david@williams333.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:27 AM > To: Suse > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP > > Another easy to answer question - I hope. > > My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded > to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't > telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on > be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp > into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. [Simon Wood] Firstly check to ensure that you have installed a ftp server. Secondly, you can check the file '/etc/inetd.conf' to ensure that the port for ftp is calling the correct command. i.e my old SuSE system has: # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd wu.ftpd -a # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd proftpd # ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.ftpd The '#' means that all are disabled. Select the server you wish to use and remove the appropriate '#'. Hope this gets you going.... Simon Wood.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP
by Edgehill e-mail service 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

We get round this by using a SSH terminal client for admin tasks (from my Windows box, I use PuTTY (courtesy of Simon Tatham)) or by using VNC from any box. Not, I hasten to add, a perfect solution, but PuTTY is extremely configurable and flexible. If anyone wants the Win9x version, I would be happy to e-mail (offlist) the binary (220k) as Simon has made this available as freeware. Regards, Paul <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Dave Williams <david(a)williams333.freeserve.co.uk> > To: Suse <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Problems with FTP > Date: 29 July 2001 00:26 > > Another easy to answer question - I hope. > > My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded > to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't > telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on > be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp > into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. > > Any ideas. > > Dave > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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Problems with FTP
by Dave Williams 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

Another easy to answer question - I hope. My annual fiddle with the server - sort out user accounts etc. I upgraded to SuSE 7.2 (new installation) but was suprised to find that I couldn't telnet or ftp into the newly setup box. I then found that inetd was not on be default. Changed that in yast and I can now telnet. I still can't ftp into the box. I've looked through the documentation without any success. Any ideas. Dave

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Licensing Costs.....
by Coulton,G 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

All Prices with a MS Select Agreement Windows NT = GBP 110 Win2K Pro = GBP 90 MSO 2K = GBP 90 As for other prices. Not too sure :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk] > Sent: 27 July 2001 11:25 > To: mherbert(a)redhat.com > Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Licensing Costs..... > > > > hi all > > > > i've been asked by a journolists to come up with some > atypical licensing > > costs for schools, to look at just the upfront savings of > going open source. > > Windows and Office (education licence) is approximatly £150. > > So long as you can still buy Win9X and Office 2000. > > > i've already got figures based around 3-year managed > services (cheapest NGfL > > 950 per seat/per annum), Red Hat / LTSP new kit £500 per > seat / per annum), > > but like to break them down. > > That £500 looks more like an outright price for everything. > Rather than an annual price. > > -- > Mark Evans > St. Peter's CofE High School > Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 > Fax: +44 1392 204763 > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

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Licensing fees
by Paul Munro 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Microsoft do offer some very good deals when you consider educational subsidisation etc., and not just for schools per se. For students and teachers (as well as parents of students), MS offer the student license deal which has helped us purchase otherwise extremely costly software! For schools, when I worked at our local Tec College, the price per seat was around £50, and £1500 for the server(s) I'm pretty sure (but this came with some support). Someone (Vernon Levy) raised the spectre of lesson content, and said that it shouldn't matter too much whether we teach OS concepts or not, implying possibly that ICT only has a support element when connected with education (to enrich existing subjects through the use of ICT). This is why (I feel) ICT in this country is going down the pan! This is also not helped by the MS dominance in the educational market, since Windows isn't good for teaching OS concepts anyway. Applications such as word processing can be taught no matter the application used, and the underlying concepts are so important that knowing how to change fonts in, say, Word, isn't enough to do it in Application X or Y in another OS (though an extreme and useless example, I know ;-) OS concepts in particular are important for introducing budding hackers (not crackers) to computing power and application, and can lead to interest in other areas such as scientific applications of IT, programming, networking skills, development, and so on. Merely teaching Windows and Office will NOT IMO help bring up through the ranks enough skilled young people to make a difference in the UKs fast sinking skills base. The primary functions of operating systems is not necessarily to enrich the learning experience, though they certainly can do that, but instead to offer an interface between the user and the system resources to enable a more productive environment. This is what students need to learn- why an operating system works the way it does, when it does, what you can do with it, and how you can customise it to make it do things FOR you not only WITH you. Enough of that, I'll go back to learning real ICT ;-) Paul

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PHP4
by Colin McQueen 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Hi Can someone explain the best way to get PHP4 running as a module in Apache from SUSE 6.4 if I have already installed so have Apache and PHP3 running? PHP4 is installed as far as I can see using locate. I must admit to finding Yast a little difficult to use for this as I'm not familiar with what the menus cover. I used locate to find out if PHP4 for on the HD. Would people recommend a move to 7.2? This is to run on a single box on our network and act as an Intranet server with MySQL PHP4 for database handling. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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deployment on multiple machines
by Phil Driscoll 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Progress on getting a good system running on the 32Mb machines we've been given is going well. At some point over the summer holidays, we are going to need to install a working system on 123 machines. The machines all have 'blank' hard drives, a floppy drive and onboard realtek ethernet NIC. I cannot guarantee that all the hard drives are identical, although they are all about 3Gb. The final setup on the machines will be basically Suse 7.2 with some tweaks - I guess a lightweight kernel and, it currently looks like a hacked version of icewm with all 'toys' removed. All machines will be identical apart from IP address (fixed) and hostname. It would be great to have a boot floppy which would bootstrap an installation over the network. Does anyone have any experience in this area? Any advice on suitable technologies gratefully received. Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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MS
by ptaylor 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Hi Malcolm: We have recently purchased some licenses for Win machines and paid £35 for Win 9X, NT and 2000 per machine which I believe is the educational price? Paul

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Licensing Costs.....
by Malcolm Herbert 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

hi all i've been asked by a journolists to come up with some atypical licensing costs for schools, to look at just the upfront savings of going open source. i've already got figures based around 3-year managed services (cheapest NGfL 950 per seat/per annum), Red Hat / LTSP new kit £500 per seat / per annum), but like to break them down. I' of course aware that the licensing model had changed, but any indicative figures on a per workstation/per server/school basis would be really useful. Malcolm -- ------------------------------------ Malcolm Herbert Red Hat Europe t:+44 1483 734955 m:+44 7720 079845 ------------------------------------

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Drive designation
by adrian.wells 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

I have noticed that on a scsi system (one HDD + IDE DVD) with a USB ZIP drive connected, the HDD is set to sdb rather than sda! The ZIP was set to sba4 - no other sba's seen. I was surprised that the device was seen as a scsi device (sd?) and that it had priority over the fixed disks. I haven't used USB on LINUX before. Apart from obviously disconnecting the ZIP, is it possible to override the drive designations during installation? Adrian

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Journalist
by Roger Whittaker 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

First - sorry I've been rather 'inactive' on the list : I've been very busy with non-educational stuff - consulting work (actually very educational, so there you go). I have another query from a journalist who's interested in talking to people about how they are using Linux in schools - if you're interested in being interviewed / quoted, please get in touch off the list and I'll put you in touch with him. -- ------------------- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ------------------ 020 8387 1482 ------------------ roger(a)suse.co.uk ------------------

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] PHP4
by Coulton,G 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Errrr, Why not let the kids play out and enjoy life at that age? LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Stainburn [mailto:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk] > Sent: 26 July 2001 12:02 > To: Colin McQueen; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] PHP4 > > > Hi all, here's my 2 euros (cough, cough, !!1 sorry - wash my > mouth out) > > As this thread's started off talking about PHP, how's that > for a starter. > It'll create some interest with them straight away as the can > create web > sites which is cool with kids these days. Then move them to > perl, which is > (and I know Phil will disagree with me here) a proper > programming language. > > In a lot of ways it's very similar to PHP so moving from one > to the other > should not vex them too much, but perl is a programming > language in the true > sense. > > Gary > > On Thursday 26 July 2001 11:47 am, Colin McQueen wrote: > > <d0ffb29f4a.cmcqueen(a)cmcqueen.ntlworld.com> > <01072518141706.01302@linux> > > In-Reply-To: <01072518141706.01302@linux> X-Organization: > The McQueen > > Family User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 > > > > In message <01072518141706.01302@linux> > > > > Phil Driscoll <phil(a)dialsolutions.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Wednesday 25 July 2001 17:54, Colin McQueen wrote: > > > > Yes well ... I'd love to have the time but my kids are > expecting to see > > > > Dad this summer ;-) > > > > > > Are they old enough to code :) > > > > 'fraid not though the two oldest have done quite a bit with the lego > > mindstorms stuff. They are 8 and 10. The closest they com > to Linux is > > running a few of the games and they've used Star office if > Dad has left > > the dual boot PC in SUSE. They have very little problem tranferring > > their skills between Windows/RISC OS/Linux > > > > Maybe I should start them with something. What would you recommend? > > I'd go for BBC BASIC V simply because I use it a lot but I realise > > that's limiting them. I have trouble converting to C and > Java probably > > because of my BASIC upbringing. > > -- > Gary Stainburn > > This email does not contain private or confidential material as it > may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown > and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers > Act, 2000 > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com >

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Samba break dancing
by ptaylor 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hi all: I know that Chris Dawkins (et al?) will say, "if it aint broke, don't fix it", or words to that effect, but... I had a nice relationship, if such a thing can be, between SuSE 7.1 and Win 2000. I have the Linux box upstairs as a server with an HP 670 DeskJet attached and used to happily send files to it to print from the Win 2000 machine downstairs. I am still lumbered with a windoze set up at school for now so need this set up. This was working well until I dutifully up-graded to 7.2. I loaded up Samba 2.2 and other "improvements" and since then I have not been able to get my printer to work. W2K sees it but refuses to load drivers for it. It is fine sending files to the SuSE box etc. I saw one how to that said I need a PRINT$ directory in smb.conf with a "sub-directory pointing to x86 files" but after following it dutifully, I was still no closer. I have used combinations of 2.0.9, 7.1 SuSE ad nauseum but still no joy. Can anyone point me in the right direction to solving this one?? Paul Extra details gladly submitted on demand.

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Very Dumb Question
by Marcus Birkin 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Ok, this is going to sound _very_ silly, but: I wish to run Kaspersky Anti-virus on my Linux box, but they only seem todo a i386 binary version, now the stupid question, how can I run this on my PPC box?? Thanks for any suggestions Marcus Birkin (Assistant Technician and Mail Administrator) - Arts In Education Centre College St

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] authentication
by Simon Wood 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Driscoll [SMTP:phil@dialsolutions.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:37 AM > To: Simon Wood; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] authentication > > Whilst M$ is currently in charge, it will be out on it's ear (at least on the > server front) as soon as I've worked out this authentication thing! [Simon Wood] big smiles all around..... The how-to you want is: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/NIS-HOWTO/ As I said, I did get it working but only on a small scale, but this was on SuSE so it is possible. I don't have it installed now (we only have two user accounts at home, an I don't let Krisztina onto some of the machines ;-) ).

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] authentication
by Simon Wood 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Driscoll [SMTP:phil@dialsolutions.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:03 AM > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] authentication > > You'll have noticed that I don't like to let a day pass without giving you > people something to work out :) Here's today's issue. [Simon Wood] Beats working... ;-) > I've already set up one of my own machines as a PDC using SAMBA and my NT > machine is very happy to mount the shares etc, so I am happy on that score. > However, I haven't got the first idea how to set up a linux client machine to > login via a server. I certainly don't want to have to setup all the user > accounts on all the client machines, however the machines will need to retain > local logon functionality for when they are used away from the school > network, and also in the event of a failure in the network or server. [Simon Wood] I was mucking around at home and approached this from the opposite direction.... I set up 'yellow pages' so that other Linux boxes could use a central user/password server and then configured Samba to refer to that. Depending on you level of commitment to using M$ as the system authenticator, you might be able to do it this way round. Haven't tried it with M$ in charge....

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authentication
by Phil Driscoll 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

You'll have noticed that I don't like to let a day pass without giving you people something to work out :) Here's today's issue. We will be setting up a linux box with samba to effectively act as primary domain controller for all the school's NT workstation machines and dole out profiles policies and home directories. Ideally, the same machine would handle logins and home directories for the 123 linux boxes we will be deploying over the summer holidays. I've already set up one of my own machines as a PDC using SAMBA and my NT machine is very happy to mount the shares etc, so I am happy on that score. However, I haven't got the first idea how to set up a linux client machine to login via a server. I certainly don't want to have to setup all the user accounts on all the client machines, however the machines will need to retain local logon functionality for when they are used away from the school network, and also in the event of a failure in the network or server. I'm sure if someone points me in the right direction, it will save me hours of searching and reading :) Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] A little too pedantic. (was: Acrobat 5 does not read ps2pdf'd files)
by Azrael Angel Of Death 24 Jul '01

24 Jul '01

>Exactly. What I'm saying is that it would be very difficult for Acrobat >5.0 to >be "improved" such that it choked on non-Adobe-generated files *without* >breaking some genuine Adobe-generated files. As long as your >non-proprietary >PDFs had kept rigorously to the PDF spec' even the most perverse Adobe >programmer would have his work cut out to make Acrobat 5.0 choke on these >and >not on the proprietary ones made at great expense by Adobe customers. Frankly I don't see why anyone uses Adobe's stuff anyway as there are truly free alternatives... > > As other pdf-viewing programs can actually bypass the > > password protection. How would said company respond to their passworded >pdf > > being easily read and edited by third party software? > >Ask this guy: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/18/1136244&mode=thread *nods* Yeah.. I read that article and it is interesting... the DMCA definatly makes things more.. hmm.. interesting... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] APC Smart UPS
by Marcus Birkin 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Hi I missed the first message dude to my e-mail bouncing. But I recently installed a APC 600 UPS on our Linux Server.. What are you trying to do? Can I Help? Marcus Birkin (Assistant Technician and Mail Administrator) - Arts In Education Centre College St > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > To: "SuSE list" <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] APC Smart UPS > > > > >From APC... > > ___________________________ > > > > > > I can not give you a specific answer on when power chute plus will be able > > to support Susse 7.0. At present there is no beta testing being carried > out > > for this version. > > > > APC, customer support > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > >

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by Edgehill e-mail service 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

For the record ... ---------- > From: Giles Nunn <giles(a)satproj.org.uk> > To: Coulton,G <coultogi01(a)leedslearning.net> > Cc: 'Mark Evans' <mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk>; 'Simon Wood' <Simon.Wood(a)pace.co.uk>; Schools List <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > Date: 12 July 2001 06:34 > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Coulton,G wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk] > > > Sent: 11 July 2001 14:36 > > > To: Coulton,G > > > Cc: 'Simon Wood'; Schools List > > > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > > > > > > > > > > Hi Simon, > > > > > > > > I think something came across my desk in relation to Linux > > > a while back. The <SNIP> > > > snip > > I had to add my mite here as I don't agree at all. Your argument assumes > you are moving from NT and learning Linux. I could set up a Linux server > much quicker. It is only eXTREMELY time consuming if you start from > knowing nothing about it. I would have the same problem in reverse if I > ever succumbed to the suggestions I get to install NT - I refuse to do it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm a lifer with MS boxen (before that PDP's & CP-M/MP-M) - it took me three weeks to install NT-4 server, configure the basic shape of the services and build the user accounts database, and it took nearly 3 months to learn how to do it (on top of a full support schedule). The only reason it hasn't needed rebuilding is because it is a *simple* network system that we run (and I have built a little automation into maintenance.) I am migrating user-storage onto one of our Linux servers this holiday - it took me 3 hours to install the OS, a few hours to design the storage layout and if I need to perform another upgrade like the one which has required this, then I don't even have to take the server offline during working hours to do it. >From my point of view, no contest. I can even run apps on the box while the users are accessing the drives! > as I don't have the time to spare to learn how to do it. If I could see > *any* technological advantage in doing so I would have to consider it > seriously. I won't go into the rest of the arguments pro/con which we keep > rehashing here. I do know that if I ever do get forced into getting > involved in NT/W2k I will miss the openness and freedom of information I > get using Open Source. > > > ____________________________________ > Giles Nunn - Network Manager > Carms Schools ICT Development Centre > Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 > ____________________________________ > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
by Edgehill e-mail service 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

> From: Derek Harding <hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk> > To: Alan Harris <alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk>; Ian Lynch <ianlynch(a)zmsl.com> > Cc: Frank Shute <shute(a)esperance.demon.co.uk>; Schools List <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy > Date: 11 July 2001 09:57 > > Here, here about school/educational software on opensource. I've just been > told that my proposed terminal server setup won't get the go ahead unless I > can prove the educational, not financial, viability! > Strangely, it has been suggested that we are not going to go over to Linux "Because it's not industry standard." <expletives may be implied here> - plus the problems arising from incompatibilities with pupils' home systems (accepted, but only just). Privately, I believe that at least part of the problem is academic staff inability to accept change beyond that which is known. <chorus - Four legs good, Two legs bad.> I have been able to resolve many of the problems pertaining to user applications for teaching/study use. The remaining flaws are easily solved with a small number of library systems (running the awful software the other departments demand of us ;) <Puts on asbestos long-johns> Regards, Paul Paul Ellison ICT Manager Edgehill College Opinions expressed are those of the correspondent, and may not reflect the official policy of Edgehill College.

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waht am doing wrong
by D.Selby 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

thanks sorted now dave

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still having problems setting my proxy server details in netscape
by D.Selby 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

i am stil tryig to setthe proxy seeings in netscape when i got to edit preferences advanced i get the following options automatically load images enable Java Enable javerScript Enable style sheet send email address as anonymous FTP pasword then Cookies which gives me 4 options about cookies and thats it nothing about Proxies the software is suse7.0 with netscape Communicator 4.74 what am i doing wrong dave

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