November 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] I broke my graphical login...
by Simon Wood 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Brown [SMTP:mbrown@fensystems.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:26 PM > To: SuSe > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] I broke my graphical login... > > Hey, that was me and it was a useful test! :-) > > We now know that X is working and that gdm is listening for XDMCP but is > not accepting any connections. Name resolution has (just about) been > eliminated as a potential cause and this is useful because name resolution > accounts for approximately 50% of all problems. I don't know about the > internals of GDM, but it seems as though it's an access control issue. > Does GDM use xdm's configuration files or does it have its own? [Simon Wood] Has someone suggested checking /usr/X11/libb/X11/xdm/Xservers (or the gdm equivalent)? It needs a line in specifying the 'local' xserver - something like '0: local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt07'. You can run xdm/gdm on a machine without a local Xserver, so that only remote machines have a graphical interface. Also has whoever had the problem tried dropping back to xdm (in /etc/rc.config). Does this have the same problem? Simon W.

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CHEST Agreements, MS Licences etc...
by Rod McCall 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Hi, In light of the current Microsoft licence changes I am curious to know what experience people have had with other schemes, namely the CHEST one? Runtime is currently considering placing its cross-platform development tool Revolution on the CHEST scheme, and would appreciate any comments people have on their experiences of pricing and the overall CHEST concept. Kind regards, rod Rod McCall <rodmc(a)runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer! tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165 FREE Download available from our website.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] I broke my graphical login
by Michael Brown 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Matt Johnson wrote: > > What happens when you try to start up X manually? > > Log in as root to a > > text console and type "X". If all goes well, you > > should get the horrible > > grey-diamond background pattern and an X mouse > > cursor that you can move > > around. Press Ctrl-Alt-Bksp to return to the text > > console. > I can't get to the machine until later, but when I > type startx, it starts up fine (Gnome). Then logout > takes me back to bash prompt. > I'll try just 'X' and report back, unless this answers > your question. That answers the question, thanks. Now can you tell me what happens if you try "X -query 127.0.0.1"? Make sure you have an /etc/hosts entry for localhost e.g. 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost Michael

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I broke my graphical login
by Matt Johnson 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Folks, I seem to have broken GDM! I have a RedHat 7.2 box here, and all was working fine. Until yesterday, I had a shiny graphical login (GDM). Now when I boot I get a text login. I've tried to get around this in the following ways: I've typed 'init 5'. It thinks it's already at init 5! I've typed 'init 3', and it's happy. Then typed 'init 5' - fails (with a red 'failed' by wine). Back to shell prompt. I've typed GDM after logging in, and it reports it's already running! So I killall GDM, and type GDM again. Nothing. So I try KDM - that works! BUT, I want a graphical login from the word go, not after loging in as root to start KDM (and I'd rather use GDM anyhoo). I'm not bothered about this bit, unless it's linked to the graphical login problem... When I start Gnome, it reports that it couldn't look up a hostname for itself. It says to add a line to /etc/hosts, but I have DHCP client working from a cable modem, which has been fine until now. And, I can still use the net as usual, so it's working (right?). 1) What logs do I check (where are they?) 2) Erm...what do I do to fix it? (KDM would be okay, but GDM would be better) Much thanks in advance... -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

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RE: MS licencing
by Chris Puttick 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Dear Mr Griffith While I appreciate the demands placed upon IT Managers in the public sector, creation of a super-deal with Microsoft does not solve the problem of software licencing costs. Any deal struck will be under the new Microsoft-focused annual licence scheme and will therefore require renewal in the medium term, moving yet further amounts of taxpayers money away from the provision of best value public services into the coffers of an already rich corporation. It seems to me that if SOCITM wants to assist its members and the public services they support, then it should be assisting its members in implementing any lower cost alternatives that exist, rather than perpetuating the pay per licence myth. Such a move on the part of public services en masse would result in more money being available to remunerate the IT Staff at a more realistic level, while simultaneously providing more money to be invested in the hardware infrastructure, resulting in faster, more reliable information flow both internally and from the public services to their stakeholders. Regards Chris Puttick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Griffith To: Chris Puttick Sent: 11/23/01 10:10 PM Subject: Re: MS licencing Dear Mr Puttick, Our Members are faced with a demand from Microsoft and if SOCITM takes no action then substantial sums will be paid from the public purse. SOCITM is therefore taking action to try to reduce the amounts paid to Microsoft by our members under their licensing arrangements to which they are committed. Any proposals made by SOCITM will be completely legal. Bob Griffith National Secretary www.socitm.gov.uk <http://www.socitm.gov.uk> 01604 674800 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris <mailto:chris@centralmanclc.com> Puttick To: 'bobg(a)socitm.gov.uk' <mailto:'bobg(a)socitm.gov.uk'> Cc: 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com' <mailto:'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com'> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: MS licencing Dear Sir With regard to the press release concerning global Microsoft licencing: any such deal would not only contravene public sector financial regulations regarding tendering for contracts, but would not be best value for UK tax and ratepayers. There are a number of effective alternatives to MS products in all areas, and many of these alternatives are available at minimal or no capital cost. Some even come with a licensing structure that allows unlimited use, which would eliminate IT administration cost associated with software audits. Further, many of the alternative products have performance and security advantages over their MS equivalents, lacking competitiveness only in the marketing departments. For a "professional association for ICT managers working in and for the public sector" to be promoting the hand-over of large amounts of taxpayers money to any company without due consideration for alternatives or the requirements of the public sector financial regulations is unacceptable. As a representative body you have a responsibility to be doing the exact opposite. I look forward to your response. Yours faithfully Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre

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Cygnus and all that SUSE vs RH etc
by James & Cybèle 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Thanks again for all advice Followed /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess ...nothing there finally found it under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess. So all I need to do is remove the #........ Is this another example of a diff between SuSE and RH or a diff between SuSE and everyone else? James Carter

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You
by ptaylor 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Hi all: In response to Thomas Adams, I was using YOU to update and as I said this does work on my homemachine using 7.2 but at school I am going through a proxy. I was also using SuSE as a proxy and that would not update. The school has decommissioned the SuSE box and I am now going straight out to the RM server which is using Squid by the messages I get. I have not tried to look at the messages yet but will if I get some time next week. It is not that critical as I have not implemented the Linux machines full time but will soon and it is a nice illustration to kids of the upgradeability of Linux. I'll lookat the messagesand get back. I was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this. Paul

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FTP to Internet from win98
by James & Cybèle 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

What setting do I need to tweak to allow one of my win98 machines to FTP to the internet. Can FTP to the server but not further. James C

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MS licencing
by Chris Puttick 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Dear Sir With regard to the press release concerning global Microsoft licencing: any such deal would not only contravene public sector financial regulations regarding tendering for contracts, but would not be best value for UK tax and ratepayers. There are a number of effective alternatives to MS products in all areas, and many of these alternatives are available at minimal or no capital cost. Some even come with a licensing structure that allows unlimited use, which would eliminate IT administration cost associated with software audits. Further, many of the alternative products have performance and security advantages over their MS equivalents, lacking competitiveness only in the marketing departments. For a "professional association for ICT managers working in and for the public sector" to be promoting the hand-over of large amounts of taxpayers money to any company without due consideration for alternatives or the requirements of the public sector financial regulations is unacceptable. As a representative body you have a responsibility to be doing the exact opposite. I look forward to your response. Yours faithfully Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre

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Updates
by ptaylor 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Hi all: I have 7.1 running on some machines here but they do not seem to work on the on-line update no matter what I try and I assume it is network related as I know it works at home with a modem. Any suggestions? More information supplied on request... Paul

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