January 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

A happy Squid story
by npauli 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

I don't know if Azrael has resolved his acl problems but I've just done something vaguely similar and so far, touch wood, it seems to be working (famous last words...) But before I get onto that, I noticed in my notes that on the advice of squid.conf I uncommented the following two lines: acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? no_cache deny QUERY any help? First off, I was having problems with people downloading MS Messenger and getting into chat rooms, etc. So, I found out that to get it you download a file called mmssetup.exe or, in one case only, msnsetup.exe. I then opened /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and used a find utilty to check out these lines and, sure enough, they were pointing to download sites for messenger. So I added the following to squid.conf # blocking MS messenger acl messenger1 url_regex mmssetup.exe acl messenger2 url_regex msnsetup.exe http_access deny messenger1 http_access deny messenger2 I then did /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure to tell squid to re-read its now altered config file. I then had to purge the offending setup.exe files from my cache. To do that I had to add the following line to my squid.conf (I bunged it in under #Defaults along with a bunch of other acls.) acl PURGE method purge Then I used the client program that comes with squid to do the dirty work. You have to give the full url of the file you want purged - just using the regex mmssetup.exe as you can in the acl produces a "sorry, squire" error message. /usr/local/squid/bin/client -m PURGE http://full/url/mmssetup.exe did the business, though. [And I don't know about your mail reader but mine insists on adding blue and underlining to that argument above.] Next problem. We now have network stations in the library and one classroom that I can't keep an eye on at breaktimes. The following lines from squid.conf deal with it. acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" # defining break times and games times acl am_break time MTWHF 10:50-11:15 acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 acl pm_break time MTWHF 14:30-14:50 acl games time WF 12:25-15:50 acl afterschool time MTWHF 15:50-16:10 # blocking freetime access in public rooms http_access deny public_rooms am_break http_access deny public_rooms lunch http_access deny public_rooms pm_break http_access deny public_rooms games http_access deny public_rooms afterschool # http_access allow public_rooms /usr/local/squid/public_rooms is simply a text file containing the ip addresses of the network stations that I wanted to go 'off air' as far as squid and the internet were concerned at the times defined in those acl lines. Each ip address in the text file should be on its own line. Originally I included their netmasks as well e.g. 123.14.56.48/255.255.255.192 but I later removed them. Okay, so I did this on a Sunday afternoon (don't forget to use linuxconf to ensure that your squid box and the school bells agree on the time) and Monday morning I waited to see what would happen at 10:50. Sure enough, at that moment *every* station in the school was denied access. So I commented out the lines I'd added, did /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure to give it back to everyone, reconsulted the FAQ and guide and decided 1. to remove the netmasks from those ip addresses, and 2. to leave everything commented out except acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 http_access deny public_rooms lunch Much better! At lunch only the correct stations went out. Since then I've added back in the corresponding acl and http_access deny lines as each break comes around with no further problems. As my users are gratifyingly disrespectful towards authority, I can have the pleasurable experience of popping into my office towards the end of a break and doing grep -e 123.14.56.48 /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and gazing fondly at those lines that read TCP_DENIED/403 I hope someone will find this write-up handy. I'm partly doing it to teach myself to take sufficient notes as I do new things to the network and make changes. Nigel. Nigel Pauli - St. John's School, Northwood

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card
by Dan Kolb 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, john kinchin wrote: > the model is an adaptec 1520B Then try "modprobe aha152x" or "modprobe aha152x.o". If it works, it should come up with a bit of blurb. Then run "modprobe sr_mod" or "modprobe sr_mod.o". This should put support in for SCSI CD-ROM drives. Then mounting them is as easy as "mount /dev/scd? <mountpoint>". Dan -- dankolb(a)ox.compsoc.net Oxford University Computer Society Secretary --I reserve the right to be completely wrong about any comments or opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card
by Grainge, Derek 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Best idea would be to post the following here: WHich linux implementation and version? Eg Redhat 6.0, Suse 7? More recent versions contain better support for oddball SCSI cards. Make and model of SCSI card. ... so others can stick in their tuppence worth. Then search redhat and suse websites, and linux.org, linuxdoc.org etc etc. for references to your card. Been there? -----Original Message----- From: john kinchin [mailto:ajkinchin@physicist.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 22 January 2001 19:17 To: Grainge, Derek Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card Hi the scsi card is not detected. The hard drives will remain but the scsi card will be used to provide a CDROM server for the network. I will boot from the IDE drives as normal. I also hae a scsi tape backup and CDR so I will want to use these hope you can help John. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of inappropriate attachments and certain obscenities. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. ********************************************************************************

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NCP mounts
by Derek Harding 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Hi folks, Help please: I wish to mount to Netware 4 servers. slist shows the servers (and IPX is correctly configured) and the mount starts but returns with "unknown NDS error -632" The Novell pages aren't too helpful. I have mounted them successfully last year but the ICT teacher did some (unknown) work on the servers before he left in July and I haven't been mounted since!!! Any ideas? P.S. please send a separate reply since the mailing list goes to home not school yet. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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ISA scsi card
by john kinchin 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Any suggestions on how to install an ISA scsi card without having to reinstall linux?? I have just been given one and would like to use it with three external SCSI CDROMS to provide a bank of shareable CD's on the network. HELP ps I am an enthuiastic amateur so go slowly thanks John Kinchin

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Re:Double Entry Book Keeping
by suse＠glanymor.carms.sch.uk 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Thanks for all the suggestions. What's the minimum spec I would need for a standalone NIS server? Would this approach allow clients (all Win9X and NT) to change their passwords in a similar way to samba or would all password changes need to be made centrally(so to speak)? Mike Rees Ysgol Glanymor School Heol Elfed Burry Port Llanelli SA16 0AL

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT comments - lets be fair!
by adrian.wells 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Hi mark, My reply was to the questions, not you, please don't be offended, but your probably right about me being a bigot. I'm sure that the NME would agree with you! And I think that I agree with most of what you have now said. But a few of points. 1) Sorry that you don't support Charset iso-8859-1 (why not, your using LINUX aren't you? So tweak it!) (Charsets are never an issue on my crappy old 98m/c here) - I have never had Netscape on the LINUX box display anything big enough to read at less than a foot from the screen! - how DO you do that? 2) An observation, it's always the beleaguered that whine. Windows users don't harp on about other OS, but everyone has a pop at windows. You have to admit that most PC users on the planet use windows and whether they are sheep or flies has no bearing, the machines work for them, so there MUST be something to be leant here, sticking your head in the sand or pointing out the bad things doesn't help. - or maybe it could, see below. 3) I'm not a great fan of windows per sa 4) I think that the ratio of administrators to users is in the users favour. 5) Yes windows is a waste of time as a workstation, especially in a school. 6) Pressing return during an installation is hardly taxing on the grey matter, even if you have to run around fifty machines once in a blue moon, but in any case many set-up script files can be modified - if your very keen. Sometimes I give the user choices when installing my software, sometimes I force the issue. It installs either way, no need to find who complied the OS etc. it just works. 7) you may have realized that by now I'm not a fan of thin client either! So, lets have a list on a postcard of 5 things in LINUX that sucks and 5 things in other OS that are groovy, put them all together and improve LINUX even more and make it a real rival for those other OS out there. I'll try to start it off (in no particular order.) LINUX Bad bits. 1) Hard to find installed apps. (what does "Find Apps" do anyway?) 2) messy config. files. 3) Installing Apps - what a palaver! 4) Almost too flexible - hence doz. of different flavours ( this can/will cause fracture ). 5) Too many unnecessary user settings - Most things don't work because you forgot to set xyz or point this at that - that's why I have a computer, to do the bits that I shouldn't have to worry about. - This really should be catered for by the person writing the software, not the installer! Other OS good bits. 1) circa Win95 help files. These are brill. 2) MAC, Win etc. app installation. 3) Initial support for new technology by industry. 4) Ease of installing out of the box. 5) MAC, WIN, confidence from users, purchasers and business in general. PS I thought MACs were the way to go when I had a classic II, but they have stagnated. Modern MACs are just fast, coloured classics in see-through boxes. At least Windows machines have evolved. ---------- > From: Mark Evans <mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> > To: Adrian Wells <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk> > Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT comments - lets be fair! > Date: 18 January 2001 07:32 > > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > I'd like to take issue if I may, let's be fair! > > > > > > > > good enough to share a corner with SuSE so I suppose we can > > > > say they support the concept! So where was Applix even if it > > > > does only seem to spell in Ameriglish; the only Corel Office > > > > was for 'doze, virtually nothing was web-based and many stands > > > > said, "the government don't specify it and none of the schools > > > > are asking for it." > > > That's the commercial world for you only supplying what people ask for! :-) > > Or maybe people only ask for something they know a supplier supplys, > or suppliers only keep records of equiries of things they supply. > > > > > > Often a lot of the Windows stuff is a pig to deploy on networks > > > too. i.e. you get told things to the effect of "we don't know > > > what needs changing in C:\WINDOWS to get the program to work, > > > but it's *easy* to just run the install program on every machine". > > Yep! you just run setup and off it goes. sometimes you need to restart the > > computer afterwards. Too easy by far. I suppose that you could write a batch > > file, as I did on our Novell server, and low, every machine that needed the > > program to be loaded got it, I only had to switch it on. Wow, that was hard! > > So how do you get a batch file to supply the user input which SETUP.EXE > is now sat there waiting for? The basic assumption of Windows setup > programs is that someone, who knows what they are doing, is sat in front > of the machine... > > > > > (Let alone such stupidity as programs which need write access > > > to files to be able to open them.) > > That IS silly! :-) > > It's a consequence of software producers only testing their software > on stand alone machines. Remember that with commercial software, especially > where there is some kind of "captive market", quality control isn't > high on the list of priorities. > > > >(IME with the latter catagory often the software > > > vendor dosn't have much of a clue about how Windows works in the > > > first place.) > > Don't know what IME means but... > > I bet your wife makes sure that you have a nice crisp white shirt ready to > > I'm not married, so your bigoted analogy breaks anyway. > > > wear every morning and yet has no idea how the washing machine works, what > > chemicals are in the soap or what that triangle sign in the collar of the > > shirt really means. The workings SHOULD be transparent, that's progress. > > A better analogy would be a car (or for that matter washing machine) > manufacture who didn't supply service manuals. > > > > > > > So, how about making a point of enquiring loudly if the stands > > > > are supporting open-source (they often haven't got a clue!) > > > > when some piece of useful software catches your eye? Becta was > > > > encouraging in their support for multi-platform approaches but > > > > Capita (SIMS/EMS) 1) didn't know what I was talking about and > > > > then 2) when someone did they don't expect to make any changes. > > > > > That's interesting. When did you ask them this? Since I spoke > > > to them of Thursday complaining about their effectivly forcing > > > the use of Windows NT for the next version of SIMS. > > > The idea that the "S in "SQL" is "standard" appears to be beyond > > > people... > > > (Managed to get them to admit that their being a "Microsoft > > > Solutions Provider" might render them less that impartial.) > > They also ACTUALLY force one to use NT for mentor3 and capita are very keen > > on Fox Pro and have no idea what SQL is 'cus they don't use it! > > Also (by the way), Capita will not support 98 workstations but do support > > 95! even though they're more stable, and tell customers all sorts of scare > > stories (we've never had any probs.) > > > > okay that's enough ranting, off to hear my boy read now. > > > > Oh, sorry, there was a point, LINUX and windows ARE different, but as far as > > non technical users are concerned, LINUX has miles to go before it is easy > > to use, it's moving fast, but still has a way to go. > > So far as *SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS* are concerned (which is what the original > post was about) Windows has light years to go before it is as simple > and straightforward as Linux. > > Even the oft repeated claim about Windows being easier to use, is suspect. > Since Windows allows (even expects) non technical users to perform system > administration tasks. (As well as doing a great many things which baffle > the same people who which it is supposedly "easy to use". e.g. forgetting > about network printers at random, remembering old passwords afther they > have been changed, spewing up CPU registers in hex, etc.) > Whilst Windows might be a good choice for the average, end user administered, > "home" machine. Put it on a network with a system administrator and it > becomes less than ideal. Indeed abilities such as the easy end user install > of software then become a liability. > > -- > Mark Evans > St. Peter's CofE High School > Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 > Fax: +44 1392 204763 >

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Double Entry Book Keeping
by SuSE 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Hi In school we have two linux servers running suse 6.3. One is being used as a fileserver and squid proxy for staff the other is a squid proxy for students and mailserver for the whole school. At the moment I have to create and mirror the username and password for each new (staff) user on both machines so that they can access files and email with the same name and password. What I'd like to know is there a (simple!!) way of creating/updating user details on one machine in sync with details on another machine?...or am I just being lazy! TIA Mike Rees Systems Manager Ysgol Glanymor School Heol Elfed Burry Port Llanelli SA16 0AL Tel 01554 832507 Fax 01554 836110 mike(a)glanymor.carms.sch.uk

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useradd newbie -g students
by Russell Webley 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

I have a related question to Mikes... My school runs a centralized database that contains the names of every student and member of staff.... Is there a way to use a text file to automatically generate users? The database is capable of generating unique names and passwords. We have a linux box running apache to provide webspace for each student... adding everyone through the command line or linuxconf would be a real pain.... cheers, Russell

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Newbie - Network setup problems
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Strangely, I tried 3com 509c's under Linux some time ago. They have never been the same since :( I'm not sure if the problem is in the set-up or the card, but I had the same response from my own system. I ended up using VIA-Rhine PCI cards instead. Regards, Paul. <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ICT Manager Edgehill College Bideford -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- > From: acraig <acraig(a)grammar.org.uk> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Newbie - Network setup problems > Date: 18 January 2001 15:56 > > Hi folks > > Setting up new machine and new install of linux. > > Set up minimal install. > Used Yast to set up IP address / gateway. > Used Hard config to specify network card type (3Com 3C509) > > Tried to ping IP address - "Network unreachable" > Tried rebooting to see if all programs needed would be run > next time round - still no good. > > > Any suggestions (or pointers to suitable (easy) text) > > > Many thanks > > Best regards > Alan Craig > PT CDT > Aberdeen Grammar School >

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RM and Linux
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Just a thought... take a look at: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rmplc.co.uk Mark New, Assistant Admin <mnew-it(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Edgehill College -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Newbie - Network setup problems
by acraig 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi folks Setting up new machine and new install of linux. Set up minimal install. Used Yast to set up IP address / gateway. Used Hard config to specify network card type (3Com 3C509) Tried to ping IP address - "Network unreachable" Tried rebooting to see if all programs needed would be run next time round - still no good. Any suggestions (or pointers to suitable (easy) text) Many thanks Best regards Alan Craig PT CDT Aberdeen Grammar School

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SIMS replacement
by Derek Harding 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I haven't really looked much but http://www.dfee.gov.uk/ims has some info. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Sendmail Configuration
by Matt Hinds 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me in sorting out a sendmail configuration problem. Currently we have one mailbox at our ISP (multi-drop) with which we use fetchmail to retrieve the mail and sendmail to distribute to the appropriate users. However I've noticed that when users sign up to distribution lists their e-mail address is not recognised and instead it get's delivered to the root mailbox. Is there anyway of resolving this and getting the address parsed correctly? I've noticed in the mail headers the users e-mail address is documented (in the form <extra information>-<username>=<domain name>)), is it possible to parse this somehow with a rule? If so where does this go? Cheers, Matt Hinds ICT Systems Manager Heworth Grange Comprehensive School Tel: +44 (191) 420 2204 Fax: +44 (7092) 029 624 Mobile: +44 (7803) 589 722

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Sendmail Configuration
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

> Is there anyway of resolving this and getting the address parsed correctly? This would also be a problem with bcc: email too. This is why the fetchmail FAQ recommends that you don't use it (although this states that you will lose email - when you actually just end up with it being delivered to the default user ...) There is a work around but it is a real pain - if you have specific users that subscribe to different mailing lists, then you could put a fetchmail line in which states (for example) suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com is 'my address' here (forget the syntax, but you get the idea :-) Told you it was not nice. The only solution that I know of, is to get your ISP to insert some kind of 'envelope' header, which lists the real recipient of the email. Fetchmail then knows who to send the email to every time. This is what uklinux.net do - and how I handle multidrop email on my Linux box at home. I believe freeserve may do it too .. not sure. Some ISPs won't do this as it has privacy issues - there is now a record of the bcc address in the email headers, etc. If you forward me an email (or view the email headers yourself) I could have a look for you ... Kevin.

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SQL
by Royal Latin School 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I'm sure I missed the point somewhere in the arguements, but doesn't the 'S' in SQL stand for Structured? Robb Bloomfield, RLS Network Administrator

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I have a Squid issue...
by Azrael Angel Of Death 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Could anyone advise me on the following problem. I have this in my squid.conf acl schoolhours time MTWHFA 08:30-18:00 acl lessons time MTWHFA 09:00-11:10 acl lessons2 time MTWHFA 11:30-13:00 acl lessons3 time MTWHF 14:00-15:30 acl badURL url_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/badwords.ban" acl banned dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/domains.ban" acl bannedip dst "/usr/local/squid/etc/ips.ban" acl email dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/email.ban" acl files urlpath_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/files.ban" http_access deny all banned http_access deny all bannedip #http_access deny all badURL #http_access deny all files #http_access deny all email http_access deny all email schoolhours #http_access deny all email lessons #http_access deny all email lessons2 #http_access deny all email lessons3 http_access allow all And things work fine. But when I un-comment the badURL and files http_access lines I suddenly get problems on various other sites. eg search.yahoo.com to which I attribute the problem to be the search parameters including ? and other weird characters. Another problem is the msn page (after logging out of hotmail) if you hit the hotmail link it takes you to a page of: http://msn.co.uk/redir.asp?STARTID=TAB_HOTMAIL&URL=http://www.hotmail.com that seems to hit the filter :/ But these should be unrelated to the 'badURL' and 'files'. badURL (badwords.ban) = ^http://*xxx* ^http://*eggs* ^http://*sausages* ^http://*bacon* ^http://*education* (we don't like breakfast of learning at this place.. honest) files (files.ban) = \.exe$ \.zip$ \.com$ \.mp3$ \.wav$ Now.. to the questions. Is there something wrong with the definitions in the fiules and the definition of the file contents in the acl declaration? Why am I seeing problems on other pages?? Many thanks --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Ofset
by Roger Whittaker 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Don't worry - I didn't say OFSTED. http://www.ofset.org/freeduc/ - a list of educational software ... I haven't looked at any of them yet, but people might be interested. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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BETT comments
by Derek Harding 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi, What did I think of BETT? The only open-source was SuSE (thanks Roger) and TurboLinux that I found although I understand I might have missed a stand. Texas Instruments are looking actively at producing a version of their TIinteractive for Linux and IBM via-voice is available in Ameringlish and in the US. They were good enough to share a corner with SuSE so I suppose we can say they support the concept! So where was Applix even if it does only seem to spell in Ameriglish; the only Corel Office was for 'doze, virtually nothing was web-based and many stands said, "the government don't specify it and none of the schools are asking for it." So, how about making a point of enquiring loudly if the stands are supporting open-source (they often haven't got a clue!) when some piece of useful software catches your eye? Becta was encouraging in their support for multi-platform approaches but Capita (SIMS/EMS) 1) didn't know what I was talking about and then 2) when someone did they don't expect to make any changes. I want to develop an entirely open-source learning environment to demonstrate to the school that we can lose MS products for a great deal of the curriculum, particularly business studies and CDT - any suggestions of good software and, especially, any replacements for SIMS which have at least as much functionality? -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Re: OS "SIMS" development
by Derek Harding 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

This follows someone else's response but I've lost the original so I've lost the thread. Not unusual for a hectic Spring Term! > Nobody wants to use a locally developed solution because they don't >understand it > No Support. > The 'If you've developed it and you leave we're cream-krackered' worry. Absolutely spot on with that observation - I'm getting exactly the same as soon as I say "Linux Workstation" They're happy about servers and networks (which can be as in-house as I like) but not what they press the keys on. > > The problems are not related to the inability of the software or the > programmers to carry out the task but to a percieved lack of support - > while I can operate quite happily from this list not many others can. > Usually teachers don't want to know anything about systems other than > Microsoft (though I'm changing that with Linux and Mac OS!) - I had one > hell of a job convincing our staff to use Lotus Smartsuite rather than > MS Office despite Lotus' advantages! > Again, I agree about the change of software. I had an IT teacher say, "It would be brilliant to run Linux, Publisher wouldn't keep crashing." !*#! > If we want to develop a SIMS/Key Solutions 'look alike' I'm happy to > throw my lot into the fray with any other interested parties BUT we will > need to overcome the above perceived problems AND should spend some time > asking School Admin Staff what they want from such a system (as they are > the ones who usually end up managing the software anyway!). There I meet less opposition, probably because SIMS is so poor. The look-alike is important, though, because of learning curves and confidence. One of the problems will be using the DRS OMR machines because DRS have no plans to release the comms language ("We're not ready for open source yet," they said at BETT). Postgres has more kudos as being "real" while mysql is seen as being "shareware". > If we're going to do this though, let's operate to some sort of agreed > standard for describing the database and other software associated with > it - I try(???) to work to SSADM V4 but don't always succeed/ Here, here too. I must admit I've largely given up trying 'cos I never get the time! -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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RM web sites (was: BETT comments)
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

> Though you might like to check out what Netcraft has to say about > www.rmplc.co.uk Although this redirects you through to www.eduweb.co.uk which is IIS/NT ... and appears to use .asp quite a bit. www.rm.com is Linux though. Kevin.

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Squid don't 2
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

A number might help? 01722-323431 Cheers, Paul Taylor

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Squid again
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Thanks all: It is pretty much as Mark said that without knowing more detail it is impossible to help and I appreciate any input that was forthcoming. I think the e-mail was rather a hands in the air frsutration sort of thing. Squid has been working well for over 6 months and I managed to set it up and keep it rolling along, but whatever problem has happened has left me at the edge of my linux experience with nothing left. I have checked all files and tried everything I know (admitedly small) to no avail. I will percevere but I can see people being put off. Since schools seem to find endless money for computers and yet I can't find enough for a set of books for my year 10 GNVQ, I wonder if the £250 license for Win Proxy et al is not more of an option. At present, I am the only person in the school with an inkling of an understanding of Linux and when I am teaching, which like everyone is 3 dillion hours, problems with the Linux proxy get amplified. I am puzzled as to why a re-installation did not solve the problem though? Mark's mention of the named.conf file seems useful as that is one I overlooked. IF I get another chance I'll try that out. It was a bit of a sickener to see the Win Proxy fire straight up and I had (have) the added humiliation of using it to send this. Fear not, I will win...lin? Paul

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Squid don't fail me now
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Hi All: My squid proxy has gone south on me and nothing seems to bring it back. I even went to the extreme of re-installing SuSE7 (while saving the squid.conf file) and it still will not work. I have tried to log on (we are using dialnet as the parent) but it times out waiting for confirmation. I have messed about with the hosts and resolve files and get messages that I am not authorised to access the parent cache etc. If anyone could call me and help me out it would be much appreciated. Paul Ps This is now running through a 30 day Win Proxy software on NT so if I can't get it to work it will be the end for Linux.....

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Linux User Magazine (fwd)
by Roger Whittaker 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com From: Ruediger Berlich <rb(a)suse.co.uk> Cc: trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk Subject: Linux User Magazine Trevor Parsons (trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk) from the UK Linux User Magazine is interested in a case study about a UK school running Linux. I would like to invite you to contact him directly, if you would like to report about the usage of Linux in your schools. Everybody : have a good day ! Kind Regards, Ruediger Berlich Managing Director -- SuSE Linux Ltd. rb(a)suse.co.uk The Kinetic Centre http://www.suse.co.uk Theobald Street Tel: +44 (0)20 8387 4088 Borehamwood, WD6 4PJ UK Fax: +44 (0)20 8387 4010

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