November 2004 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Pam_mount on SuSe 9.1
by Rob Keeling 06 May '05

06 May '05

I am trying to install SuSE 9.1 as a workstation in a NT 4 Domain network. The default suse 9.1 install installed winbind etc, and configured them allowing me to log on to ssh with a NT username and password. I now want to configure pam_mount to mount a subdirectory of the unix home directory as the NT home directory. I had configured this on an old SuSE 8.1 box, so I think /etc/pam_mount.conf should be OK. However, having added auth and session lines for pam_mount into /etc/pam.d/sshd I can only get to the stage that in /var/log/messages I see pam_mount: error trying to retrieve authtok from auth code How do I enable pam_mount? My /etc/pam.d/sshd file is as follows #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_unix2.so set_secrpc auth required pam_nologin.so auth required pam_env.so auth optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass account required pam_unix2.so account required pam_nologin.so password required pam_pwcheck.so password required pam_unix2.so use_first_pass use_authtok session required pam_unix2.so # trace or debug session required pam_limits.so session optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass # Enable the following line to get resmgr support for # ssh sessions (see /usr/share/doc/packages/resmgr/README.SuSE) #session optional pam_resmgr.so fake_ttyname Thanks Rob Keeling -- I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by. - Douglas Adams

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SLES 9.0 Installation, Kernel Panic Out Of Memory.
by mmarseglia 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi folks, I just downloaded SLES 9.0 and went to install it on a Compaq Proliant, Pentium Pro, 384MB RAM Server and got the following message: Kernel Panic: out of memory and no killable processes. Is there a way around this? I've tried the "Safe" installation and "text mode" with no effect. Thanks!

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New Clothes
by adrian.wells 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Hi to all of those running RM out there, can I pick your brains please? I'm about to have 20 PC's surplus as we update hardware before being forced down the CC3 route. Eventually I'll have 60+ PC's that will be redundant. I want to give these machines a new lease of life by installing LINUX and placing them in study rooms, an internet cafe and other 'like' areas. Initially running only open office, FireFox, and Thunderbird. I will probably use the same active equipment, IP range and domain for this trial. I intend to attempt to have these machines locked down until they squeak as they will be in no-go zones. My question is, if anyone uses LINUX w/s in this form, do they authenticate against the RM servers and if so are there any issues with this? (I authenticate against a WIN2000 box at home, but this is a 'safe' environment and we don't really hot-desk!) And, assuming that you do, do you allow access to the "mywork" areas? How do you implement remote w/s builds across the network? I'd considered a duel partition and 'ghosting' across but most of these w/s only have 4GB HDDs. We try not to have CD-ROMs on any PC's as it's just another item to replace every term! If it's a success and easy to administer, then I'd like to be able to move away from the CC3 route altogether. Comments, experience, suggestions welcome. Kind regards Adrian

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Questionnaire design and implementation
by Miles Berry 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

Is anyone on this list aware of any open source packages to do questionnaire design and implementation, ideally in a LAMP environment (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP etc), with export of results in a spreadsheet? I'm aware that it's not too bad to code something like this by hand, but finding the time to do that is another matter! I'm looking for something like http://www.surveymonkey.com/ that we could run on our own server. Thanks in anticipation, -- Miles Berry Deputy Head St Ives School Haslemere www.stiveshaslemere.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] New Clothes
by G.Harris 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

> > > --- "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > > wrote: > > > Hi to all of those running RM out there, can I pick > > > your brains please? > > > > Hi Aidrian, > > > > Have a look at: > > > > http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject > > http://www.ltsp.org > > http://www.ltsp.org/articles/ThinClient.pdf > > http://www.schoolforge.org.uk > > Anyone who has not already looked at these would do well to invest a few > minutes - very interesting, thanks. > I'm not convinced that thin client is the way I want to go, and still not > convinced that most of it's supposed virtues are revenant today. I know > that > the article says that it's a personal view, but some of the arguments > were > pretty thin (sorry no pun intended!). Maybe I should read it again. > > I've not been to schoolforge for a long time and I have to say, playing > devils advocate, the left hand column could have so many more entries and > the right hand column could hardly be more sparse, even with the wine > entries! Although the software listed is very strong, it's hardly an > advert > for shedding windows! :-( > > It would seem that big, generic apps are not the problem as most > 'business' > type software tends to have a gnu/linux equivilent. The big problem are > these ex teachers sitting in the middle of dartmoor, knocking out pc > versions of their BBC micro software for Sup Ed and the like. I'm sure > that > these will not be given up easily by the departments that know and love > them! I would also imagine that they would be unlikly to give up the > income > and move to open source nor invest the time to become multi platform. We use a mix of Thin clients and PCs. With the right setup this balance has provided us with a very efficient system, BUT we use Citrix over Unix and Linux (and for music and video over XP) to deliver a Windoze desktop which is nicely locked down and which our non-techie staff can relate to. Keeps training down as well. We also have OOo in use as well and we give it to students to use at home. We are otherwise looking for web based software either online or on CD / DVD to avoid the excessive over-protection applied to some stuff of limited value. We have some excellent online text books in use and we have developed our Intranet to fill the gaps. Setting up templates with Dreamweaver and then providing Contribute to departments has provided a big surge in interest and skill. Open source is mostly under the skin otherwise but keeps costs down. All the best. George Harris -- If this e-mail contains anything that the recipient takes exception to, please contact: The Headteacher, Maidenhill School GL10 2HA UK (+44) (0) 1453 822469

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] New Clothes
by adrian.wells 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

> --- "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > wrote: > > Hi to all of those running RM out there, can I pick > > your brains please? > > Hi Aidrian, > > Have a look at: > > http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject > http://www.ltsp.org > http://www.ltsp.org/articles/ThinClient.pdf > http://www.schoolforge.org.uk Anyone who has not already looked at these would do well to invest a few minutes - very interesting, thanks. I'm not convinced that thin client is the way I want to go, and still not convinced that most of it's supposed virtues are revenant today. I know that the article says that it's a personal view, but some of the arguments were pretty thin (sorry no pun intended!). Maybe I should read it again. I've not been to schoolforge for a long time and I have to say, playing devils advocate, the left hand column could have so many more entries and the right hand column could hardly be more sparse, even with the wine entries! Although the software listed is very strong, it's hardly an advert for shedding windows! :-( It would seem that big, generic apps are not the problem as most 'business' type software tends to have a gnu/linux equivilent. The big problem are these ex teachers sitting in the middle of dartmoor, knocking out pc versions of their BBC micro software for Sup Ed and the like. I'm sure that these will not be given up easily by the departments that know and love them! I would also imagine that they would be unlikly to give up the income and move to open source nor invest the time to become multi platform. Kind regards Adrian Wells

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] New Clothes
by adrian.wells 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

How do you deal with applying patches and updates across the network? Is there a built in mechanism for this ? I'm not sure that running the online update is a good idea/practicable. Adrian

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] New Clothes
by adrian.wells 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

> > Hi to all of those running RM out there, can I pick your brains please? > Well one of my schools is running RM, but TBH with RM I'd say it'd be crawling :) I have no idea what you mean! :-) > > I intend to attempt to have these machines locked down until they squeak as > > they will be in no-go zones. My question is, if anyone uses LINUX w/s in > > this form, do they authenticate against the RM servers and if so are there > > any issues with this? (I authenticate against a WIN2000 box at home, but > > this is a 'safe' environment and we don't really hot-desk!) And, assuming > > that you do, do you allow access to the "mywork" areas? > > Having it authenticate against the NT4 servers isnt a problem, I've a half written howto around here somewhere that I can let you have on using winbind. Mounting the users home dirs might well be a bit trickier, to mount a smb share you need the absolute path. It might be better to install an NFS server on the NT4 boxes and share out the directories that way. ***sorry crappy OE :-( I'd be interested in seeing that if you can find it. > Another alternative, given that files will need to be written by the clients to the shares, is to redirect all homes to the local /tmp, and then have a script that mounts the users /home (mywork) after the session has started. Since the w/s will be 'out of sight' then I susspect that most of the time will be spent at mini-clips et all (hello ACLs & Delay Pools!) So I may just have users email work to their RM addresses. and authenticate against a linux box. > > How do you implement remote w/s builds across the network? I'd considered a > > duel partition and 'ghosting' across but most of these w/s only have 4GB > > HDDs. We try not to have CD-ROMs on any PC's as it's just another item to > > replace every term! > > > > This one is tricky, we use G4U at Trinity for our dual boot 98/Linux clients and go around with floppies. We tried Altiris, but couldnt get it to work (and you wont get any support from the company), Zen looks like it'll be an option, as might LSLSA, but the latter currently needs a caching network FS. We're researching this at the moment. Floppies will not be a problem, obviously RM uses that, and I'd implimented similar on a Novell/3.11 network - saved me days of building! > > If it's a success and easy to administer, then I'd like to be able to move > > away from the CC3 route altogether. > > Well the CC3 route leads to iirc 15 min boot times, no real control over your network and no real improvement over what Xp + some kind of LDAP already can provide with a little work, all it does is package it all together. ***RM get upset when you mention the logon times :-) Kind regards Adrian

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] New Clothes
by Richard Rothwell 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

--- "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> wrote: > Hi to all of those running RM out there, can I pick > your brains please? Hi Aidrian, Have a look at: http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/LinuxProject http://www.ltsp.org http://www.ltsp.org/articles/ThinClient.pdf http://www.schoolforge.org.uk If anyone wants a look or chat about this please contact me. ===== rgds, Richard Rothwell -------------------------------------------------------------------- rind (n) acronym for 'rind is not defined' ___________________________________________________________ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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IBM join OASIS technical committee
by Ian Lynch 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Another step towards breaking the M$ document monopoly. http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink/20041115 -- Ian Lynch <ian.lynch(a)zmsl.com> ZMS Ltd

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I've lost it!
by Adrian Wells 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

V9.0 Can anyone help please? I've lost everything on the tool-bar on a clients machine apart from the quick start icons! I was adjusting the behaviour, number of desktops etc. to be the same as my home machine to ease talking the client through tasks. That was fine. I then restarted the machine because I wanted to check the BIOS (made no changes) and when it came back up, the clock, mixer, desktop selection etc had all gone apart from the left-hand Icons for the menu, Konsole etc! The extra windows still exist and all the settings look right. I've seen this once before on a box that was used by a pupil in an exam, it came back in the same condition, I assumed that the pupil had been fiddling. Since I had to rebuild the machine anyway, I never bothered to try and fix it. Kind regards Adrian

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While I think about it
by Adrian Wells 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

V9.0 Old hat now but... Does anyone else see this behaviour? When using the 'Control Centre' to install/remove software, the search field rarely becomes active (unable to make it have focus) unless I first select 'Check Dependencies', this is more likely to be the case on slower machines. Also... Is there a fix (or maybe a reason) for not being able to immediately re-select a module in the 'Control Centre'? I find it very irritating having selected an option and then having to select another option before I can select it again. Kind regards Adrian

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Questionnaire design and implementation
by Chris Puttick 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi This is somewhat more than you've asked for, but does satisfy your criteria, but have you looked at Moodle? http://moodle.org Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Miles Berry [mailto:mberry@st-ives.surrey.sch.uk] Sent: Sat 11/13/2004 7:52 AM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Cc: Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Questionnaire design and implementation Is anyone on this list aware of any open source packages to do questionnaire design and implementation, ideally in a LAMP environment (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP etc), with export of results in a spreadsheet? I'm aware that it's not too bad to code something like this by hand, but finding the time to do that is another matter! I'm looking for something like http://www.surveymonkey.com/ that we could run on our own server. Thanks in anticipation, -- Miles Berry Deputy Head St Ives School Haslemere www.stiveshaslemere.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Suse 9.2 questions
by paul sutton 13 Nov '04

13 Nov '04

Hi Just got suse 9.2, looks very impressive, and updated from 9.1 great. I have a few problems 1. On the login screen its saying suse 9.0 !!! (which seems odd really), however I can put up with this. 2. Once logged in, i get a dialog box up with desktop error, Could not start process, unable to create io slave Klauncher said : unknown protocol devices. What can i do to stop this?, or what could be causing the error?, I have tried to run klauncher and it said it's only called by kdeinit, so how can I investigate the error, and perhaps remove the offending line, Am I right in thinking what ever is launched by this appears in the window at the bottom right, next to the clock, (like in windows), the running tasks, Thanks for any help Paul

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Suse 9,2
by Paul Sutton 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Hi I have just received suse 9.2 update. The new cd case looks very nice and the manual is nice and detailed. I am about to upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2, As I have 3d nvidia support working are there any issues I may come across. Or should the current settings just move over, from 9.1 (xfree86) to 9.2 (x.org) I will back up anyway, Paul Sutton

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Posters for classroom walls
by linuxgirlie 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

ok, I give up trying to send sample, posters, I sent the set and it said no more than 512mb so I sent one at 300kb and it it like that either, so if anyone is interested in them just email me and I'll send them to you. Jo

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Posters for classroom walls
by Phil Driscoll 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

This message was recently posted to my local LUG mailing list: > After seeing the walls of my sister's ICT lab in her school in Harrogate I > feel compelled to try and gather some good OSS/Linux posters to in some way > dilute all the microsoft posters. I'm especially interested in getting a > good Linux poster to go next to the microsoft anti-piracy one. Not one of > the microsoft posters give a positive message about computers. They're all > "Keep Patched", "Use Antivirus", "Don't Pirate". Ugh, it makes me cringe. > Any of you fine folk know of a good source of such things? Anyone know of any good posters, or should we design some! Cheers -- Phil Driscoll

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quick rpm question
by Paul Taylor 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

I am looking in my trusty linux in a nutshell and see that typing --root with an rpm file will presumably install in a specified directory? I want to upgrade some rpm files on a managed server and need it to happen in the virtual directory rather than the server's root. Can anyone tell me yeah or neah? Paul -- De omnibus dubitandum

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] RM CC3 NETWORK
by Grainge, Derek 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

CC3 is Campus Connect - RM's version of Microsoft networking, as modified by them. It includes things like building menus into the network card boot prom, or modifying the boot version of windows on the local drive so you get menus appearing before login; and access to software is menu controlled. Given it's all MS-related it's not surprising to see IIS popping up.... -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sutton [mailto:zen14920@zen.co.uk] Sent: 05 November 2004 19:27 To: suse schools Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] RM CC3 NETWORK Hi Just seen a job advertised for an ICT network technician, one of the requirements is a knowledge of RM CC3, could someone please fill me in on what this is, I did go a google search, and did not really find very useful information. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RM CC3 NETWORK
by Paul Sutton 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Hi Just seen a job advertised for an ICT network technician, one of the requirements is a knowledge of RM CC3, could someone please fill me in on what this is, I did go a google search, and did not really find very useful information. Found a few links to close combat 3, (much better methinks) lol. I have also found references to crocodile clips 3, which is even less useful, I think it stands for community connect 3. It seems as part of this it uses IIS for web services, (yuk) which I guess that means it runs on Doze, (when are RM going to move to the 21st century and offer Linux), do they not realise that Gartner don't recommend IIS, and that over 50% of the worlds web servers run Apache I think. ) Paul

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INGOT update
by Ian Lynch 07 Nov '04

07 Nov '04

Hope its ok to post some updates on the INGOT programme. I was in Serbia/Montenegro last week setting up an INGOT Academy at the Belgrade Linux Centre. They have contacts with other former Soviet Union countries that are supported by the Open Society Institute funded by George Soros. We hope to get them to fund a meeting/conference where we can train assessors to set up INGOT Academies in many other Eastern European countries so we will be truly International. I also have someone in a college in New Zealand and someone else in Kentucky wanting to set up Academies so the International dimension looks like its taking off. I have also registered the scheme with Curriculum On-line so INGOT Academy subscriptions can be paid for using ELCs. I have put some content on the web site www.theINGOTs.org (Which has had a complete overhaul) for download to conform to the compliance rules for COL. As we build up I'll put more there if we get the resources to commision people to do the work. Of course this will be for free use so it might get copied to other places such as schoolforge over time ;-). So if you want to use your ELCs to support some FLOSS development, set up an INGOT Academy :-) We are also planning Infant INGOTs for 5-7 year olds due to demand from some of the primary schools. This will be a cut down version of the Bronze, with basic things like mouse control, basic operating of the keyboard etc. We'll work it out with a couple of our primary school clients and then make it available for everyone. At the other end of the scale, I'm setting up a partnership with Birmingham University Computer Science Department under the DTi Knowledge Transfer Partnership scheme to develop the Platinum INGOT as an endorsement for entry to university computer science courses involving practical experience in developing open source code. This can develop into a model for learning computer programming by contributing to the open source pool for prospective university students. Linspire has also provided us with their name as a supporter. For this they get a link to their web site from the INGOT supporters page. Its important for us to get industry support as it provides confidence and internationally, is better than say QCA endorsement which really only applies in England and Wales. I'm also talking to Sun. Maybe Novell? Anyone interested in joining in, send me an E-mail. -- Ian Lynch <ian.lynch(a)zmsl.com> ZMS Ltd

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] RM CC3 NETWORK
by Matt Johnson 07 Nov '04

07 Nov '04

--- paul sutton <zen14920(a)zen.co.uk> wrote: > Is this a primary or secondary school environment, > are linux work > stations suitable for a > primary environment? Yes, it's a primary environment. And yes... linux is very suitable for defined roles. There are gaps that arguably require things to run on Windows (because the software only runs on Windows - and I don't have time to get wine running reliably). We use our new linux workstations for research (hence these machines are in the library) and officey stuff: openoffice *draw* is superb for KS2. I've run a couple of projects on it - great results. I had a class of year 5's redesign our town centre. Plus, using OO.o spreadsheet for the spreadsheet qca stuff works very well. No reason to use Excel. And for publishing or wordprocessing work, Writer is good as/better than Word. Literacy lessons that simply require a word processor? Why use Windows? Why book the Windows suite? There's also some stuff aimed at the younger audience. TuxPaint is pretty good. I have reservations on using the gimp, bacause it splashes up "GIMP" each time you use it. Perhaps I'm being conservative... (I wonder how hard it is to edit all the instances of the title GIMP to its full name?) And now that we use Plone for our website, Mozilla (on these linux machines) works better than IE (eg for table control in Epoz) for editting our website, which the children participate in. And more and more resources are online (subscription?) services. Our email (webmail) for Year 3's and all staff of course - runs as happily on Linux as on Windows. So, yeah, if we begin to reroute classes who need apps for the tasks outlined, from our main suite to banks of linux machines, we free up the Windows machines for stuff that only runs on them. Oh, and it looks *so* much prettier than Win98 :) The pupils love it. -- Matt ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] RM CC3 NETWORK
by Grainge, Derek 06 Nov '04

06 Nov '04

RM aim their systems at schools who want a 'managed' solution. i.e. the school doesn't want to install kit itself, isn't sure it has the expertise, so they listen to the RM blurb. This is fine if you're a relatively small school, with limited IT ambitions. But many schools outgrow RM - if you want to install 'just any old package' or you want to add servers which RM regard as non-standard you are pretty much on your own. i.e. do it the RM way or not at all. There can also be issues connecting non-RM machines to an RM network. Last time I bought from RM was 1990: they happily helped install Netware then they decided they would not support it in schools, only university. Nice. They also didn't provide the necessary tape streamers, and one of the (new) server drives went down while we were waiting. Even nicer. I rebuilt the server myself. From that point we rolled our own. > Its really a > mini-version of the MS strategy focused on schools. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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Gigabit ethernet
by Miles Berry 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

We're about to migrate to a new server after four years of (almost) uninterrupted service on our old box. I feel quite sad about this somehow. Can anyone recommend gigabit ethernet cards that they've found will work out of the box with SuSE 9.1? If not, what have you got working and what did you have to do? Thanks in anticipation,

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