April 2003 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Software Patents
by Grainge, Derek 02 May '03

02 May '03

From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Are supporters of GNU and Linux use in education against the > introduction of software patents? They could be used to restrict use > of otherwise-available software. I thought that GNU differentiates between ownership and accessibility. How does Linus exert ownership over the kernel? All software is copyright the owner and that ownership needs to be asserted. The GNU licence allows others to make use of the product, hopefully in an attributable way. But GNU specifically covers passing off work as if it's your own. AFAIK software is rarely patented per se. You can patent new ideas but they tend to have physical representations before the patent office get interested. But things like the GIF format have escaped to the public domain despite private ownership - and that ownership has been reasserted; thus the development of png. In any case a patent would be overturned if someone could prove that ownership lay elsewhere. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] next conference.....
by Chris Puttick 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Expo is 8th-9th, but it's worth bearing in mind. How many people who went to the conference would be attending/considering attending LinuxExpo? -----Original Message----- From: suse-linux-uk-schools-return-4541-chris=trinityhigh.com(a)suse.com To: James Spedding Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 4/29/03 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] next conference..... 10th Oct is, I think, LinuxExpo in London. Nigel On Fri, 25 Apr, James Spedding wrote: > Things are beginning to move again regarding the next conference. > > The suggestion for the location was Birmingham, so I was looking of those in > the know to suggest a possible venue (capacity 200 ish plus) which is fairly > reasonable priced. > > Also the dates of Friday the 10th, 17th or 24th October are in the frame. I'm > not sure when half terms are and it would be good to have it on the Friday of > the penultimate week of autumn half term. Any other suggestions gratefully > received. > > -- Nigel Pauli Network Manager St. John's School, Northwood -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Software Patents
by MJ Ray 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Are supporters of GNU and Linux use in education against the introduction of software patents? They could be used to restrict use of otherwise-available software. -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details.

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OFT probes MS school licensing rules
by Robb Bloomfield 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30420.html 'bout time too :)

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MS Schools agreement
by ian 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Anyone on MS Schools agreement? Its very important I talk with you if you are. Please E-mail asap. I'm going on holiday Saturday morning and I'll be away for a week just in case I miss anyone. -- ian <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com>

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] next conference.....
by N.Pauli 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

10th Oct is, I think, LinuxExpo in London. Nigel On Fri, 25 Apr, James Spedding wrote: > Things are beginning to move again regarding the next conference. > > The suggestion for the location was Birmingham, so I was looking of those in > the know to suggest a possible venue (capacity 200 ish plus) which is fairly > reasonable priced. > > Also the dates of Friday the 10th, 17th or 24th October are in the frame. I'm > not sure when half terms are and it would be good to have it on the Friday of > the penultimate week of autumn half term. Any other suggestions gratefully > received. > > -- Nigel Pauli Network Manager St. John's School, Northwood

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Installing Spam Assasin with postfix on Suse 8.1
by Rob Keeling 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

I am trying to add Spam assassin into a working installation of postfix, which is also configured to use amavis. All packages as supplied with suse 8.1. However I am completely lost in how to add Spam assassin, and if amavis does anything "out of the box" with suse. Can anyone point me in the right direction on this? I am working towards a email server for 1200 users consisting of postfix (with Spam filtering by Spam assassin) and cyrus IMAP and a web mail client. I have everything working bar the Spam filtering, (which is of course very important for us). Any suggestions, pointers to how-tos etc greatly apreciated. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Latest on my LEA's plans for admin sy stems.
by Chris Puttick 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Role based security is on the DB side - bit like groups in network logons. Makes for easier admin as you can just give a user a role or roles and that gives them the appropriate accesses. Not clever... Postgre can do it... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Evans To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 4/28/03 2:27 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Latest on my LEA's plans for admin systems. In their latest newslatter they say from more things about SIMS.net, apparently copied straight from Capita's marketing department. Anyway havn't Microsoft just dropped using *.net <snip> > Supports personalised user accounts and role-based > security, curriculum management, school calender > management and attendance code management. What is "role-based security". What about security tied to workstations and users? Right near the end we have the only apparent innovation, the calender... -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

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Python and other development work needed (funded!)
by Chris Puttick 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but I'm in hurry and this seemed the most likely place to source some suitably skilled and interested developers! Summary (1): want developers to create web app (possibly using Quixote, Webware or Zope) to act as UI for a school performance analysis project. Assumed architecture is Python middle/front, Postgre backend. Data structures already exist. Summary (2): need developers who want to wrap their head around pumping data in and out of SIMS and CMIS, preferably in real-time and with no end user intervention. Assumed technology is Python. There's funding... For more info or just to comment, email me. Cheers Chris Puttick

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