December 2003 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Quick question
by Paul Taylor 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

How do I kill kde and return the server to just a login so that I can save on resources. I have never done this as I am a child of the gui and it is killing my web server on the net. Paul

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OOO.org in libraries FYI
by Matt Williams 02 Jan '04

02 Jan '04

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I came across this earlier http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34593.html

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Becta's other activities
by garry saddington 01 Jan '04

01 Jan '04

Has anyone seen the test - bed program? http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/corporate.cfm?section=15&id=3078#ans1 27 million pounds for 5 secondary schools and associated feeder schools ought to ensure that they get the right answers! Some time ago I emailed this program to ask if any of the testbed schools were using open source solutions - guess what the answer was. Is this in breach of the e-envoy's rules? I also offered to help them by becoming a testbed, so far I have not recieved a reply. We can all be thankful to Becta for this one also: http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/press_out.cfm?id=3098 Such a wise institution charged with protecting UK educational ICT falling for one of Microsoft's well documented lock-in tactics - surely not? http://www.iht.com/articles/96369.html On new year's eve I sit comfortable in the knowledge that the future of our ICT provision is in such safe hands. Happy new year to all. kind regards garry ps. The laptop spec problem could have been due to a misguided attempt to protect us from the inevitable sharks (AKA suppliers) that prey on UK educational establishments.

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BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by Phil Thane 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

I suspect it is like much education policy, (or any govt policy) civil servants playing safe and a dread fear of individual initiative. Heaven forbid that a teacher might actually know where to get freeware (even Windows freeware), how to install it, test it, evaluate it and decide to use it, or not. There is a slight chance that he/she might download something that screws things up, but so what? The worst that can happen is he/she gets to format the hard drive and re-install, which is a hell of a learning exercise. Teach them the importance of backups apart from anything else! I don't think for one minute it is some campaign against FLOSS, just FUD. Keep on banging away you are making a small impression. Regards, Phil Thane - Support Manager, TechSoft UK Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: ian [mailto:ian.lynch2@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:45 PM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers BECTA's spec on laptops for teachers is at http://www.lft.ngfl.gov.uk/index.php?i=307 Isn't this unfair discrimination against FLOSS? They specify that MacOS X 10.2 or later is acceptable so how come GNU/Linux isn't? Why could a teacher not choose to have Suse Linux on a laptop instead of Windows (Ok, it might be difficult to obtain a laptop without Windows but its the principle that matters) Also they say an office suite with WP, SS and presentation and that shareware, freeware is unacceptable. Same for E-mail. Does this include OpenSource? ie is OpenOffice.org not allowed? Seems particularly daft if StarOffice is since its effectively the same software over the required applications. Then there is mandatory anti-virus software. Doesn't all this show that despite them not actually naming names they are skewing the specification to block out FLOSS. This is against the recent E-envoy's policy to provide equal consideration to FLOSS solutions and it could be against fair trading law if it could be shown that BECTA was effectively colluding with Microsoft to block competition by reinforcing their monopoly. As the Lead for education for the OpenOffice.org project I will not be happy if BECTA's only grounds for discriminating against us is that we produce Free software which would be the logical conclusion if they allow StarOffice. -- ian <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by roger 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

At 16:45 26/12/03 +0000, Mark Evans wrote: >On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 01:47:58PM +0000, David Bowles wrote: > > As far as I can recall the way the spec is worded the reference to > > e-mail omits the term 'freeware' as an exclusion. Hence Outlook > > Express is a valid e-mail client. > >The spec states "Email: Facility for offline email reading and >composition. Freeware or shareware is not acceptable" What exactly is the meaning of the term "freeware" in this context? Is bundled stuff (e.g. Outlook Express) "freeware"? Is OSS "freeware"? Sure, neither is obtained "in return for a consideration" (as I think the law of contract phrases it), but that still leaves lots of ambiguity. For instance, is a package written (compiled?) in-house really excluded? And if in-house compilation is acceptable, can use of an identical binary be excluded either? OSS is difficult to categorise quite so simply as "freeware" or not, since one usually pays for a distro... Again, what about "ad-ware" like Eudora in "sponsored" mode? "offline" is also ambiguous - is a LAN on- or off-line? If a mail-server on the LAN handles the Internet traffic, then serves the individual mail accounts locally via a LAN, which case is that? Thus, for only an instance, a Linux mail-server, plus Eudora or Pine (and perhaps, however much one may regret it, Outlook Express) might well bypass the relevant definitions entirely... Just a thought. Good networking, Roger Beaumont

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by Chris Puttick 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

Web readers use less bandwidth in most cases e.g. spam mails don't need to be downloaded, unnecessary or irrelevant attachments can be deleted directly from the server. Web readers that work well? I know several, but a particularly impressive one comes with SuSE Linux Open Exchange server. Worth having a look at (particularly at the school pricing available)! -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Wells [mailto:adrian@spannerhammer.co.uk] Sent: Sat 12/27/2003 11:49 AM To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Cc: Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers <snip> Although becoming less of an issue (although I see broadband soon becoming as slow as modems), is the unnecessary use of bandwidth. On top of this I would also recommend an OE (or similar) reader as I've not yet found a web based reader to be as fast, easy and familiar to use, there just too clunky. Although they can be more reliable (I normally set these up as a back-up where the email server has the option). Hope you all having a good one Adrian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by Paul Hornshaw 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hornshaw" <paul.hornshaw(a)blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Chris Puttick" <Chris.Puttick(a)euroele.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Puttick" <Chris.Puttick(a)euroele.com> > To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:12 PM > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for > teachers > > > Strictly speaking of course, products such as OpenOffice.org and Mozilla > Thunderbird (the latter being infinitely superior to Outlook Express) > are not shareware or freeware as they are open source. Freeware is > software that is free as in beer, but is a precompiled executable; > eliminating these is sensible. On the other hand, if Becta are referring > to open source by the use of this term, that would be criminal (more or > less literally), and the person who put it in the spec needs to look to > their position, given the keynote speaker at FLOSSIE... > > Umm, wouldn't it be illegal, too? > > And what would an auditor say if s/he knew about an OSS equivalent? > > Paul > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers
by Chris Puttick 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

Strictly speaking of course, products such as OpenOffice.org and Mozilla Thunderbird (the latter being infinitely superior to Outlook Express) are not shareware or freeware as they are open source. Freeware is software that is free as in beer, but is a precompiled executable; eliminating these is sensible. On the other hand, if Becta are referring to open source by the use of this term, that would be criminal (more or less literally), and the person who put it in the spec needs to look to their position, given the keynote speaker at FLOSSIE... -----Original Message----- From: Alex Brett [mailto:alex.brett@brettcomputers.co.uk] Sent: 23 December 2003 14:07 To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BECTa's spec on laptops for teachers >From the Email part of the spec at http://www.lft.ngfl.gov.uk/index.php?i=307 'Facility for offline email reading and composition. Freeware or shareware is not acceptable' That would seem to eliminate Outlook Express (which in my view ia a good thing given the numerous viruses that have been caused by the bad coding in Outlook Express!), however it seems to imply the use of Outlook which is even worse! Has anybody had any response from BECTa as to why 'Freeware or shareware is not acceptable'? Alex Brett alex.brett(a)brettcomputers.co.uk On 23 Dec 2003 at 13:47, David Bowles wrote: > As far as I can recall the way the spec is worded the reference to > e-mail omits the term 'freeware' as an exclusion. Hence Outlook > Express is a valid e-mail client. > > David Bowles > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 10:11:02PM +0000, David Bowles wrote: > >> > >> As for an e-mail client, this is usually covered by MS Outlook or > >> the bundles Sun Office equivalent. Outlook express also fits the > >> specification. > > > The latest spec would appear to exclude Outlook Express, since it is > > "freeware". The only thing which would appear to be acceptable > > according to the spec is something POP3 based. Which clashes with > > the "security policy" of some of the RBCs. > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com This message may contain information and/or data that is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, publication, reproduction or dissemination is strictly prohibited and may violate certain laws. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy this and all copies of this message and/or data. The content of this message has been scanned by MailPatrol for unacceptable language and inappropriate content. European Electronique limited thanks you in anticipation of your co-operation. MailPatrol is a fully managed service that offers your organisation the ability to monitor and enforce your Acceptable Usage Policy. For further information regarding the MailPatrol services contact the European Electronique Sales Enquiry line on 0845 345 8340 (local rate) or email sales(a)euroele.com

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zope and plone install
by Darren Smith 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

2 quickies for you on suse 9 I have had a lot of head scratching trying to install zope so I did it this way ... http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/AGByKey/8A32AC91885767… .. but this means it will only run when I log on as zope. How do I run it logged on as anybody? I tried to install plone from the rpm but it put it in a very different place to where i was expecting! Do I need to compile from source? Will this make a difference? (I have never compiled anything from source) Or did I simply get the wrong rpm? Thanks and best wishes Darren

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FLOSSIE Scoreboard
by John Ingleby 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

Congratulations! The numbers are looking good: 11 firm bookings now, with 4 more promised after the festivities. So we need 35 more bookings to break even, but the real number needed is *85* to reach our target. If you haven't done so, make it your first New Year resolution to register via the Conference page at www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/conference200402.html or else email yvonne(a)thelearningmachine.co.uk to register your interest. Best withes for Christmas and the New Year, John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk -- John Ingleby ************ CoroNet Information Systems Ltd. Kings Langley, UK www.coronet.co.uk

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